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Nascar Season Begins . . .  
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1730 times:

With Tony "SMOKE" Stewart winning the Budweiser Shootout!

Damn fine way to startthe year Smoke.

And of course, Kasey Kahne manages to crash with 1/4 mile to go . . . something about Kahne and walls at race tracks. . . .







"Git 'er Done Smoke'!

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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1723 times:

Yeup, already been fun dealing with the traffic here in Daytona today. And it only gets worse as Sunday gets closer. Oh well. Great for the local economy, so I won't complain too much. Just a shame I don't get to enjoy the race because I'll either be A) working (fundraising) or B) in my dorm room, which means I'll pretty much get to watch the race like most other Americans: on my television set....minus the few hundred feet of track in Turns 1 and 2 that I can see into from my dorm.  Smile

User currently offlineBoeinglover24 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 305 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

No Fantasy Nascar here on a.net?


Uhhh What?
User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3302 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1714 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 1):
B) in my dorm room, which means I'll pretty much get to watch the race like most other Americans: on my television set....minus the few hundred feet of track in Turns 1 and 2 that I can see into from my dorm.

Yeah, but the free surround-sound from simply opening up the dorm windows will make up for it. I know all about it..I had to do it for three years. Big grin

(By the way, you mean Turns 3 and 4. Turns 1 and 2 are on the opposite side.  Wink )

Bryan



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User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1708 times:

Glad to see Tony win...one of my favorite drivers, especially because he is so proficient in many racing venues, not just NASCAR. Thought it was a pretty good race even considering some of the mismoves and mishaps. Would ordinarily be down there helping setup for the IROC, but IROC is on hiatus because of Crown Royal comitting all their loons to NASCAR. For those of you who make it to Daytona, have a blast. I'll miss it. Regards...jack


all best; jack
User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1704 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 3):
(By the way, you mean Turns 3 and 4. Turns 1 and 2 are on the opposite side. )

No, I do mean Turns 1 and 2. Turns 3 and 4 are closest to the school, but you can't see the track because those turns slope away from the school. Turns 1 and 2 slope towards the school and you can see into them, and you can actually see the track and the cars racing on it.  Smile


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12250 posts, RR: 35
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1691 times:
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What would be fun to watch....a NASCAR race going the wrong way. They're trained to make left turns...now let's make them do right turns for a race Big grin


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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1684 times:

I will be at Daytona sunday, but not at the race because it is too much to get in. I will be with my camera along side Runway 25R (at least hoping they use it instead of 7L) at DAB getting the hundreds of the planes coming in.

User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1680 times:



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1676 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 7):
I will be at Daytona sunday, but not at the race because it is too much to get in. I will be with my camera along side Runway 25R (at least hoping they use it instead of 7L) at DAB getting the hundreds of the planes coming in.

Send me a PM with what time(s) you'll be in town. I'll certainly be watching the race on tv but otherwise I shouldn't have anything planned on Sunday, other than hanging around my dorm room catching up on homework. Won't be driving anywhere because traffic will be a zoo (okay, that's an understatement). But I'd be interested in meeting up either to shoot some photosgo grab something to eat (or both) at one of the numerous restaurants along International Speedway Blvd.


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 9):
Send me a PM with what time(s) you'll be in town. I'll certainly be watching the race on tv but otherwise I shouldn't have anything planned on Sunday, other than hanging around my dorm room catching up on homework. Won't be driving anywhere because traffic will be a zoo (okay, that's an understatement). But I'd be interested in meeting up either to shoot some photosgo grab something to eat (or both) at one of the numerous restaurants along International Speedway Blvd.

I'm ex Riddle, so I think they will still let me in the lot there since I have I.D. I will be coming in from Orlando, so I am going to try to find some back ways into town to avoid the brunt of the traffic. I will be attempting to get to DAB early.

If this is your first year at Riddle and you are in one of the dorms facing the airfield, this is nothing like you have ever seen before at DAB. The ATC must be having a nightmare. Taxiway E is closed for helicopter operations on Race day, which are constantly in and out before the race. Runway 16/34 is closed to park corporate jets. Starting around 6am Race day the steady stream of traffic arrives up until the race starts. Then the military jets take off, fly over, and land back at DAB. Halfway thru the race, a lot of corporate sponsors start leaving, especially if their car gets in a wreck so there is a steady stream of departing jets about an hour or more before the race is done. After the race the airport is clogged for hours with jets taking off.


User currently offlineAC777LR From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 487 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1665 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 10):

I'm a sophomore at Riddle. My dorm this year over looks the end of Runway 16.
Last year, I was down right near the threshold of 7L on Sunday while waiting to find out where I would be working. Oh was that a treat, especially when one of the 707's came in  Smile

Anyway, let me know if you're interested in meeting up.


User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1658 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Thread starter):
With Tony "SMOKE" Stewart winning the Budweiser Shootout!

Good thing he bumped Kyle Busch out of his way to take the lead! Just like Tony...



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1654 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 13):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Thread starter):
With Tony "SMOKE" Stewart winning the Budweiser Shootout!

Good thing he bumped Kyle Busch out of his way to take the lead! Just like Tony...

Well, if the SLOWER cars don't move outta the way, there's little option left.

And it wouldn't have hurt my feelings at all if Kyle (Little Punk that he is) Busch woulda wound up in the wall . . .

That'll learn him . . . .  wink 


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1651 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 13):
Good thing he bumped Kyle Busch out of his way to take the lead! Just like Tony...

"Just a little rubbin' Harry. And rubbin's racin'." - Days of Thunder.


User currently offlineKstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1626 times:

A very good Bud Shootout this year. Smoke did a great job, and had a great car for most of the rwce. I wouldn't be surprised if he does that next Sunday in the 500. The Toyotas started off well, but faded back in a way later in the race. No idea on what this says for them today for qualifying, but hopefully theres a good amount to keep the confidence up.


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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7298 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1596 times:
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User currently offlineKstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 1577 times:

And David Gilliland is on pole with the #38 M&M's Ford. What a great story this guy has given us. Won a Busch race, and then gets a Nextel Cup ride, wins Talladega pole, and almost wins the Shootout. Watch out for him in the 500.


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User currently offlineN776AU From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 761 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 1569 times:

And the Bud Shootout couldn't come soon enough. My favorite driver wasn't in it, so all I wanted to see was an exciting race, unfortunately we have restrictor plates....TAKE OFF THE PLATES!

Anyway, I'm all about the 2003 Winston Cup Champion, Matt Kenseth.



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User currently offlineDuff44 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 1561 times:

Quoting N776AU (Reply 19):
so all I wanted to see was an exciting race, unfortunately we have restrictor plates....TAKE OFF THE PLATES!

It's either the plates or speeds so quick when the car gets sideways it flies into the crowd.... bad news.

As for yours truly.... how about a little old school 24:



I've had this card since 1993, his rookie season.



Quoting N776AU (Reply 19):
Anyway, I'm all about the 2003 Winston Cup Champion, Matt Kenseth.

Your boy, along with Kasey Kahne, had his qualifying time disallowed
http://www.speedtv.com/articles/nascar/nextel/35307/

Edit: added link to DQ news

[Edited 2007-02-12 02:39:36]


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User currently offlineORFflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14):
Kyle (Little Punk that he is) Busch

And his brother too!!

Quoting FXramper (Reply 17):
FXramper

I definitely like Hamlin since he's a local boy. But I'm again pulling for Rudd now that he's back, and on the outside pole too!! Hamlin's day will come, and it won't be long either.


User currently offlineAlphafloor From Chile, joined Jun 2004, 1277 posts, RR: 40
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1528 times:

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 20):
I've had this card since 1993, his rookie season.

First off, I have no idea about Nascar but I work for the main sponsor of J.Gordon's team and I wanted to know how he is as a driver ? Can someone here tell me if he's good or average ?... Thanks !



Whatever
User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1523 times:

Quoting Boeinglover24 (Reply 2):
No Fantasy Nascar here on a.net?

 yawn 

 zzz 

 duck 


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week ago) and read 1523 times:

Quoting Alphafloor (Reply 22):
Can someone here tell me if he's good or average ?...

One of the most winning drivers in NASCAR, a 4 time Cup Champion . . . .
http://www.nascar.com/drivers/dps/jgordon00/cup/

I can't stand him . . . he's a whiner, he's a 'pretty-boy' that thinks his crap don't stink.


25 Post contains images Alphafloor : Really ?    Ok thanks ! I kinda figured that out just by looking him on the photos !!![Edited 2007-02-12 16:03:45]
26 Post contains images Tom in NO : Smoke would've gaslighted Busch anyway....dude was a sitting duck with that lineup of cars behind him. Anybody besides me think that the Toyota's are
27 Jfkspotter : From all of us who work at the track, believe me when I say... KEEP THE PLATES! Or else they'll end up looking like an 80-lap ARCA race with 6 cautio
28 Aerobalance : Don't you know, people watch racing for the crashes!
29 ORFflyer : No way - it's a race, not follow the leader. The roof-flaps work, put the horsepowewr back into the motors.
30 FXramper : The millions they poured into R&D, I give them one top ten finish. Jarrett? We'll see.
31 T773ER : I think Waltrip has a better chance than DJ.
32 GQfluffy : Meh...looks like I'm the only one that'll be rooting for Junior. Considering I've been through his hometown...and The Intimitator's hometown...he's nu
33 KstateinALB : Haha, no you are not!! Im rooting for number 2 for Junior this weekend, but theres a lot of good competition. A longshot pick of mine is Juan Pablo M
34 Post contains images N1120A : Take out the Harry and add Cole and you are right. It was Harry telling him that on the radio And he is a damn good driver.
35 GQfluffy : I'm comming for yew, Ricky Boobie...
36 FlyDeltaJets87 : Actually, IIRC correctly, it goes both ways. Harry says it earlier in the movie, than Cole says it later (I think in the final Daytona 500). Could be
37 Post contains images Jfkspotter : Yeah... and when they don't, this happens: The cars are too fast for the track. IRL cars tested here in November and just a few weeks ago, and had to
38 Post contains images HKGKaiTak : Mmm, I miss watching NASCAR - here in Oz it's only on pay TV and it's a rip-off ... In Australia we ran a series called AUSCAR - it's an oval race on
39 BoeingFever777 : Yeah Waltrip, can just buy a top ten like he did buying his entry into last years Daytona 500... right?
40 AAce24 : Hopefully Gordon can take it home this year. Last year was decent, at least he made the Chase.
41 ORFflyer : I'm glad to see him join NASCAR, but I think winning this year is a stretch. If he avoids the "big one" he should have a good finish. That happened m
42 Post contains images Duff44 : Yeah, that sounds like a bitter Stewart fan The IRL cars never ran the (full) oval at Daytona... every test they've done has been on the road course
43 N1120A : Hey, remember what Villeneuve did in CART and the F1.
44 Post contains images WestJetYQQ : I haven't watched NASCAR for a while, and I was watching Qualifying on Sunday. It came as a real shock when i looked at the TV and saw a Toyota going
45 Post contains images DeltaRules : I'm impressed with Gilliland & Rudd on the front row for the 500 for RYR. That said, that may not be an indicator as to how they run this season, as J
46 Jfkspotter : Right, which is why I said... ???
47 Duff44 : I don't see them getting even a sniff of a win.... they need better teams, first. If Penske or Ganassi had jumped on board, then you might have a leg
48 Post contains images QXatFAT : This is my all time favorite: This is my favorite that still drives:
49 NeilYYZ : That's my boy, make it 99.9% of the way and lose it on the last lap. Oh well, we'll have to see how this season goes for him, I'd love to see him and
50 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Yup. I was curious how Jarrett took the pole - and of course the shootout pole is decided by drawing . . . so he didn't have to drive to win it. And
51 NeilYYZ : Unfortunately I was called out and driving the plow all day Saturday, didn't get a chance to see the race. But, I told the boss that I'm sick this Su
52 Post contains images Duff44 : Yeah... but only when Jeff is lapping him It has more to do with the safety of the fans than anything else... Had Bobby Allison's car actually gone i
53 N1120A : The point is he didn't. The fence did its job. Now let the drivers and cars determine the race, not restrictor plates.
54 ORFflyer : Damn skippy!!
55 DeltaRules : I don't think having Penske & Ganassi would do much for them, unless having Toyota turned them around. Ganassi hasn't done squat since 2002 when Ster
56 Post contains images T773ER : I agree with you, but he has a better chance than DJ. Maybe you should add Dodge to that list. As long as Chevy's keep winning, I'll be happy
57 Post contains images Delta767300ER : Smoke ran a damn good race in the Bud Shootout but I am looking forward to the Daytona 500. We are sitting in the Roberts Box, Row 14 across from the
58 Post contains links and images Duff44 : The "and had to run the inside road course because they also got way too fast on the back and frontstretch" part made it sound like they had previous
59 Aerobalance : Never mentioned in this thread is the fact that Goodyear brought a new tire that is more durable than last years tire, a harder compound - thus the s
60 Post contains links Nosedive : [f1 hijack] Damn, you make it sound like Ralf Schumacher's in the car! Another here. Damn shame he had his engine go on him in 2001, otherwise he'd mi
61 Charger : Kasey didn't hit the wall. Elliott Sadler did. Kasey hit Denny Hamlin square in the door after a wreck caused by Earnheardt Jr. Jr. took full respons
62 Jfkspotter : Not sure if you've been there before, but if you haven't, it should be a good time. You'll get a good view of all the garages and the crews working,
63 ANCFlyer : Thanks for that . . . I had to watch the Checkered wave in front of Smoke and then I saw the crash begin and turened off the Television - I had to ge
64 DeltaRules : Didn't know you were at the 400 last year- I was there, too. Nextel Tower, W, Row 50. DeltaRules
65 Delta767300ER : Ya man, sure was. I was sitting in the Campbell Section at the start-finish line. Smoke put on a Hell of a fence climbing show for us. A lot of peopl
66 DeltaRules : Nope, I'll be at home for the 500. DeltaRules
67 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Local boy, great driver. Go Said go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Dave[Edited 2007-02-14 08:33:27]
68 Delta767300ER : Yup, I bought the Fan Zone Passes for last years Pepsi 400 and it was awesome. You saw the photo of me in an earliar post, I actually had people comi
69 Post contains images BoeingFever777 : Way to go Toyota and Waltrip racing! Way to enter Daytona 500... Indefinitely suspension of your CC!!!! More coming to you Michael via Robin Pemberton
70 Post contains images Tom in NO : Ashley Force: Melanie Troxel: Erica Enders: Tom at MSY
71 FXramper : How many other suspensions and fines have their already been?
72 BoeingFever777 : Crew chiefs suspended: • David Hyder (Michael Waltrip; indefinitely) • Robbie Reiser (Matt Kenseth; 4 races) • Kenny Francis (Kasey Kahne; 4 ra
73 Delta767300ER : LOL, He aint off to a good start. I'm not so sure it was a smart thing to start his own team. Its hard to make it on your own these days in Nascar. I
74 FXramper : Michael Waltrip will get some fines too, no doubt. Add him to the list.
75 BoeingFever777 : I would have to agree with you... I know DJ ran wonderful upfront... When he gets back in the pack and attempts to draft he fell way back. Toyota wil
76 Post contains images Jfkspotter : Haha, to be honest with you, I've never even had one- I never had the time to. Then again, you can always just get a Checkers burger or Great Wraps a
77 ANCFlyer : The news said earlier today, they found what was apparently "jet fuel" in Waltrip's car? WTF? I mean, I know Waltrip is a crap driver, with a crap te
78 AAFLT1871 : Let's see how long it takes Toyota to pull their sponsership now
79 Post contains images ANCFlyer : I can't believe they back Waltrip in the first place. How about backing a driver that can win races . . . Oh, I know he won Daytona 2 years ago - whe
80 Post contains links BoeingFever777 : No wonder DEI dropped him! He is a horrible driver... Jet fuel? http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?seriesId=2&id=2765503 Waltrip docked 100 poi
81 Post contains images FXramper : Agreed. Toyota was so desperate to succeed. Jr and Hamlin, top 5. I like J Gordon and Jimbo Johnson.
82 NASCARAirforce : Looking forward to see what kind of planes these guys bring in this year. The NASCAR teams love to surprise us each year with new aircraft.
83 Post contains images BoeingFever777 : Forgot to mention... In the wake of rule violations found during pre- and post-qualifying inspection for the Daytona 500, NASCAR has confiscated the p
84 Delta767300ER : I still cant get over Jet Fuel being found in Michael Waltrip's Toyota. This is unbelievable. New Team, New Manufacture, and you get busted for cheati
85 KaiGywer : Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't NASCAR cars using gasoline? Jet fuel is similar to diesel...how the hell would that be an improvement?
86 ANCFlyer : Mixed with the gasoline - I believe it increases the octain level . . . .
87 Post contains images KaiGywer : Hmm..interesting. One thing I do know jet fuel works great for...smoking Back in Norway we had an old car...drilled a hole in the exhaust manifold, p
88 ORFflyer : Have they determined for sure that it was jet fuel? Last I saw was Robin Pemberton stating during the press conference that it was not jet fuel. He al
89 Tom in NO : "We knew we couldn't get away with nitrous oxide, so we had to try something to increase our chances of making the race!" Sincerely, David Hyder (crew
90 KstateinALB : Haha.... very funny. They actually borrowed one of David Reutimann's backup cars, put NAPA logos on it, to use in the duels today.
91 ORFflyer : If the rumors I'm hearing are true, he'll soon be the FORMER crew chief......
92 Post contains links Charger : There have been several. It happens every year. Just not to the extent of what is happening with Waltrip. His car has been confiscated and is not bei
93 Tom in NO : Mikey raced his way into the 500. He finished a respectable 8th in the first qualifier race this afternoon. As for other Toyota's.....Reutemann is in
94 KstateinALB : " target=_blank>www.jayski.com One of the best sites, gives all the information you need. Anyway, first duel was won by... you guessed it... Tony Stew
95 Tom in NO : Jeff Gordon wins race #2. Looks like both Vickers and Skinner are out of the 500. Tom at MSY
96 Post contains images Halls120 : It's nothing more than WWF on wheels. So who do you think the powers that be have ordained should win this year's title?
97 Post contains links AAFLT1871 : And for his win he will start in 42nd place now that his car has found to have failed a post race inspection http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/wcStory?
98 Post contains images Tom in NO : Hilarious.....somehow we should have expected this. This should pretty much answer anyone's questions about why my family is enjoying the NHRA more t
99 Post contains images N1120A : They just going to fail everyone and start them even? It sure as hell looks like that, doesn't it?
100 Post contains images Duff44 : That narrows it down to what.... like 15 drivers? Yeah, some fix
101 Aerobalance : Yes, it is, but in this game, people can actually die - it's not make believe.
102 Allstarflyer : My two best guesses for champ this year are Harvick and Jeff Gordon. Harvick finished 4th last year, has attitude. Gordon's always a tough driver. Jus
103 Post contains images KevinL1011 : Is it just me, or does ESPN's coverage of NASCAR really SUCK? Go Happy!!!!! He just won the Busch race! Sorry A-starF but Gordie's past his prime.
104 DeltaRules : Their coverage wasn't that good today. I was wondering how they would do coming back. They need to get rid of the "Bottom Line", as it takes away a l
105 KstateinALB : You know, I think that is something ESPN needs so it can update everything else outside of the race. I like to know about the other things that are g
106 Post contains images KFLLCFII : Ahh crap, yet another missed race.
107 KevinL1011 : And Musberger.
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