Looks like we have another casualty of Dubya's war, mere weeks after he spouted out his national "health care" plan. Luckily, it won't get rubber stamped by Congress this time.
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MaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1264 times:
While I'm not a fan of Bush (or any other politician that I can think of), the title of the article "Bush’s proposed health-care cuts" is misleading. If you read it through, proposed spending would increase, not decrease. It just wouldn't increase as fast.
I do a lot of work related to the health care industry, and our current payment system is definitely broken. I wouldn't even pretend to have a solution. I'm good friends with the CFO of a fairly large hospital, and he agrees, the system's broken. If five patients with different insurers have the exact same procedure in the same hospital, chances are the hospital will charge five different prices. A person with no insurance would be charged significantly more than any of the insured patients. Fixing our health care system should take priority over just about everything else.
The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1261 times:
Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 1): Fixing our health care system should take priority over just about everything else.
Yep.
Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 1): If you read it through, proposed spending would increase, not decrease. It just wouldn't increase as fast.
That is mere semantics, as it amounts to a significant spending cut, particularly in light of his incredible fiscal irresponsibility.
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France: Heat wave catastrophe exposes health care crisis
By Francis Dubois
9 September 2003
The health crisis that erupted in France following the August heat wave was anything but accidental. For years, health care workers had been warning of the potential results of policies that have led to shortages of staff, lack of training and equipment, hospital closures and more expensive health care for the public.
Posted 9/25/2003 10:56 AM Updated 9/25/2003 9:23 PM
France heat wave death toll set at 14,802
PARIS (AP) — The death toll in France from August's blistering heat wave has reached nearly 15,000, according to a government-commissioned report released Thursday, surpassing a prior tally by more than 3,000.
Longhornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3094 posts, RR: 48 Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1251 times:
Cue him finding something bashing a liberal, since that seems to be all he does well. He won't take responsibility for his party's blunders, and diverts attention away from that by attacking, and from what I've seen rather poorly, others.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1239 times:
Quoting OU812 (Reply 3): You think yours is any better?
Speedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1233 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 7): How can you expect him to find current sources?
I dunno........... I just thought it was always so easy. I mean, the Yahoo! news is always current.....CNN is current....DrudgeReport is current.......
Its easy, but somehow ASF and OU812 dont find current sources quite often. Oh. Did I bring up ASF? Where does he fit into this convo.... Oh yes, under the 'Blathering, Pointless, Noise-making Right-Wing Knuckleheads' section.
Im sorry I didnt post anything more , shall we say. virile than knuckleheads.
MaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1228 times:
Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 8): Im sorry I didnt post anything more , shall we say. virile than knuckleheads.
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Knuckleheads are virile???
The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
MaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1221 times:
AirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1208 times:
Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 1): If you read it through, proposed spending would increase, not decrease.
The way that I interpreted his proposal it was nothing more than tax credits on the portions of health insurance that an individual pays but makes the employers contribution taxable which would increase the taxes of the working stiffs who have employers sponsored health care.
Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 1): our current payment system is definitely broken.
You are 100% correct on this.
Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 1): If five patients with different insurers have the exact same procedure in the same hospital, chances are the hospital will charge five different prices
Calls for a long look at a single payer system that is combined with the present insurance coverage that one has. What is the overhead of medical professionals just to deal with all these insurance companies.
You're missing the point! France was supposed to be the example of a superior health care system. Which many lib dems looked up to & wanted. Well, if that's what they want, a complex government health care system where 25, 000 people died throughout Europe as a result of a excessive gov. bureaucracy. No Thanks!
Regarding ours. It obviously needs fixing. And I am all for a universal heath care system that has little gov. involvement & is not easily taken advantaged of. Remember fellas, nothing's free!
MaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1167 times:
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15): Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 1):
Fixing our health care system should take priority over just about everything else.
We aren't going to have to worry about providing health care if we can't afford it. Getting the budget under control ought to be priority #1.
Period.
I won't argue with that. According to the article linked at the top of this thread "the two health programs, which serve 93 million people . . . will cost the government $564 billion this year." That's a big chunk of the budget. You're never going to fix the budget without doing something to fix the healthcare mess.
The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
NASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3081 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1153 times:
Bush had a health care plan?
Bush talked about giving free health care to Iraqis in his 2004 State of the Union, but I was not aware of a health care plan for the U.S.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1136 times:
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15): We aren't going to have to worry about providing health care if we can't afford it. Getting the budget under control ought to be priority #1.
Well, there is a major budget item that could be eliminated rather easily.
Halls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1134 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 18): Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):We aren't going to have to worry about providing health care if we can't afford it. Getting the budget under control ought to be priority #1.
Well, there is a major budget item that could be eliminated rather easily.
Actually, I can think of several. Making members of Congress pay for their own health care would be a good start.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1131 times:
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 19): Making members of Congress pay for their own health care would be a good start.
Ok, then the President too.
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Halls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1124 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 20): Quoting Halls120 (Reply 19):Making members of Congress pay for their own health care would be a good start.
Ok, then the President too.
Him too. And the VP. And any other elected official who is getting free medical care.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1123 times:
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 21): Him too. And the VP. And any other elected official who is getting free medical care.
Hey, I have no problem with government employees getting health care.
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Halls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1123 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 22): Quoting Halls120 (Reply 21):Him too. And the VP. And any other elected official who is getting free medical care.
Hey, I have no problem with government employees getting health care.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1121 times:
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 23): They can pay for it. Just like I do.
You shouldn't have to pay for it either.
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25 Ilikeyyc: LOL, oh, wait a minute, aren't you the one who has been singing praises for ASF? Why yes, yes you are: RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless
26 NASCARAirforce: I do, because my tax dollars are going to a bunch of worthless hacks already making too much money.
27 N1120A: They usually take a pay cut to be in government service.
28 AndesSMF: Let me see if I get this correctly: Spending will rise, just not as much. This to you is a 'cut', right? And you talk about semantics. For all of you
30 Halls120: I disagree. Health care is just like any other commodity which we have to pay for. Government employees are well-compensated. We can afford to pay fo
31 NASCARAirforce: I actually was referring to high up members in the Government... Like I don't think I should pay taxes to pry the bottle away from Fat Ted Kennedy, a
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national "health care" plan. Luckily, it won't get rubber stamped by Congress this time.
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. Nope, won't happen.
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