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Whatever Happened To The Bush Health Care Plan?  
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1955 times:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17075561/

Looks like we have another casualty of Dubya's war, mere weeks after he spouted out his  redflag  national "health care" plan. Luckily, it won't get rubber stamped by Congress this time.


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User currently offlineMaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1944 times:

While I'm not a fan of Bush (or any other politician that I can think of), the title of the article "Bush’s proposed health-care cuts" is misleading. If you read it through, proposed spending would increase, not decrease. It just wouldn't increase as fast.

I do a lot of work related to the health care industry, and our current payment system is definitely broken. I wouldn't even pretend to have a solution. I'm good friends with the CFO of a fairly large hospital, and he agrees, the system's broken. If five patients with different insurers have the exact same procedure in the same hospital, chances are the hospital will charge five different prices. A person with no insurance would be charged significantly more than any of the insured patients. Fixing our health care system should take priority over just about everything else.



The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 1):
Fixing our health care system should take priority over just about everything else.

Yep.

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 1):
If you read it through, proposed spending would increase, not decrease. It just wouldn't increase as fast.

That is mere semantics, as it amounts to a significant spending cut, particularly in light of his incredible fiscal irresponsibility.



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User currently offlineOU812 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

Quoting N1120A (Thread starter):
Looks like we have another casualty of Dubya's war

You think yours is any better?

 no 

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/sep2003/fran-s09.shtml

France: Heat wave catastrophe exposes health care crisis

By Francis Dubois
9 September 2003

The health crisis that erupted in France following the August heat wave was anything but accidental. For years, health care workers had been warning of the potential results of policies that have led to shortages of staff, lack of training and equipment, hospital closures and more expensive health care for the public.


http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/2003-09-25-france-heat_x.htm

Posted 9/25/2003 10:56 AM Updated 9/25/2003 9:23 PM

France heat wave death toll set at 14,802

PARIS (AP) — The death toll in France from August's blistering heat wave has reached nearly 15,000, according to a government-commissioned report released Thursday, surpassing a prior tally by more than 3,000.


User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

Quoting OU812 (Reply 3):
You think yours is any better?

Dude....N1120A is an American.

Cheers,
Kyle


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1931 times:

Quoting OU812 (Reply 3):
9 September 2003



Quoting OU812 (Reply 3):
Posted 9/25/2003

nice current sources


User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3278 posts, RR: 45
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1931 times:

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 4):
Dude....N1120A is an American.

 footinmouth . Nope, won't happen.

Cue him finding something bashing a liberal, since that seems to be all he does well. He won't take responsibility for his party's blunders, and diverts attention away from that by attacking, and from what I've seen rather poorly, others.

Cheers and Hook'em Horns!
Cameron


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

Quoting OU812 (Reply 3):
You think yours is any better?



Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 5):
nice current sources

Hey, he can't even figure out where I am from, despite everyone else seeming to notice. How can you expect him to find current sources?



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User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1913 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
How can you expect him to find current sources?

I dunno........... I just thought it was always so easy. I mean, the Yahoo! news is always current.....CNN is current....DrudgeReport is current.......

Its easy, but somehow ASF and OU812 dont find current sources quite often. Oh. Did I bring up ASF? Where does he fit into this convo.... Oh yes, under the 'Blathering, Pointless, Noise-making Right-Wing Knuckleheads' section.

Im sorry I didnt post anything more , shall we say. virile than knuckleheads.

Cheers,
Kyle


User currently offlineMaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1908 times:

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 8):
Im sorry I didnt post anything more , shall we say. virile than knuckleheads.

vir·ile /ˈvɪrəl or, especially Brit., -aɪl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[vir-uhl or, especially Brit., -ahyl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or befitting a man; masculine; manly: virile strength.
2. having or exhibiting masculine energy, forcefulness, or strength in a marked degree.
3. characterized by a vigorous, masculine spirit: a virile literary style.
4. of, pertaining to, or capable of procreation.

Knuckleheads are virile???



The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 9):
Knuckleheads are virile???

Well, no thats the point. I could have put 'f*cktards', for instance. But i didnt want to cll them all f*ucktards.

Cheers,
Kyle


User currently offlineMaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1901 times:

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 10):
Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 9):
Knuckleheads are virile???

Well, no thats the point. I could have put 'f*cktards', for instance. But i didnt want to cll them all f*ucktards.

Cheers,
Kyle

I was just kidding, gave me a chuckle....



The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 1):
If you read it through, proposed spending would increase, not decrease.

The way that I interpreted his proposal it was nothing more than tax credits on the portions of health insurance that an individual pays but makes the employers contribution taxable which would increase the taxes of the working stiffs who have employers sponsored health care.

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 1):
our current payment system is definitely broken.

You are 100% correct on this.

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 1):
If five patients with different insurers have the exact same procedure in the same hospital, chances are the hospital will charge five different prices

Calls for a long look at a single payer system that is combined with the present insurance coverage that one has. What is the overhead of medical professionals just to deal with all these insurance companies.


User currently offlineOU812 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

Quoting Speedbird747BA (Reply 4):
Dude....N1120A is an American.

Oh!

 blush 


User currently offlineOU812 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 5):
nice current sources

You're missing the point! France was supposed to be the example of a superior health care system. Which many lib dems looked up to & wanted. Well, if that's what they want, a complex government health care system where 25, 000 people died throughout Europe as a result of a excessive gov. bureaucracy. No Thanks!

Regarding ours. It obviously needs fixing. And I am all for a universal heath care system that has little gov. involvement & is not easily taken advantaged of. Remember fellas, nothing's free!


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 1):
Fixing our health care system should take priority over just about everything else.

We aren't going to have to worry about providing health care if we can't afford it. Getting the budget under control ought to be priority #1.

Period.


User currently offlineMaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1847 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 1):
Fixing our health care system should take priority over just about everything else.

We aren't going to have to worry about providing health care if we can't afford it. Getting the budget under control ought to be priority #1.

Period.

I won't argue with that. According to the article linked at the top of this thread "the two health programs, which serve 93 million people . . . will cost the government $564 billion this year." That's a big chunk of the budget. You're never going to fix the budget without doing something to fix the healthcare mess.



The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

Bush had a health care plan?

Bush talked about giving free health care to Iraqis in his 2004 State of the Union, but I was not aware of a health care plan for the U.S.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1816 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
We aren't going to have to worry about providing health care if we can't afford it. Getting the budget under control ought to be priority #1.

Well, there is a major budget item that could be eliminated rather easily.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 17):
Bush had a health care plan?

Bush talked about giving free health care to Iraqis in his 2004 State of the Union, but I was not aware of a health care plan for the U.S.

His idiotic tax deduction plan that Pope actually panned.



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):We aren't going to have to worry about providing health care if we can't afford it. Getting the budget under control ought to be priority #1.
Well, there is a major budget item that could be eliminated rather easily.

Actually, I can think of several. Making members of Congress pay for their own health care would be a good start.  Wink


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1811 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 19):
Making members of Congress pay for their own health care would be a good start.

Ok, then the President too.



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1804 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 19):Making members of Congress pay for their own health care would be a good start.
Ok, then the President too.

Him too. And the VP. And any other elected official who is getting free medical care.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1803 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 21):
Him too. And the VP. And any other elected official who is getting free medical care.

Hey, I have no problem with government employees getting health care.



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1803 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 21):Him too. And the VP. And any other elected official who is getting free medical care.
Hey, I have no problem with government employees getting health care.

They can pay for it. Just like I do.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1801 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 23):
They can pay for it. Just like I do.

You shouldn't have to pay for it either.



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25 Post contains links Ilikeyyc : LOL, oh, wait a minute, aren't you the one who has been singing praises for ASF? Why yes, yes you are: RE: Student Said To Kill Self After Merciless
26 NASCARAirforce : I do, because my tax dollars are going to a bunch of worthless hacks already making too much money.
27 N1120A : They usually take a pay cut to be in government service.
28 AndesSMF : Let me see if I get this correctly: Spending will rise, just not as much. This to you is a 'cut', right? And you talk about semantics. For all of you
29 Post contains images Queso :
30 Halls120 : I disagree. Health care is just like any other commodity which we have to pay for. Government employees are well-compensated. We can afford to pay fo
31 NASCARAirforce : I actually was referring to high up members in the Government... Like I don't think I should pay taxes to pry the bottle away from Fat Ted Kennedy, a
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