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User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2405 posts, RR: 5
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2531 times:

So today I went with my Great Uncle (if that is what you call your grandmas brother) to the Verterans Hosptial so he can get his medication. He is old as you can tell and so I said I would take him there just so we can spend some time together as well.

Well when we get there, we started walking to the front of the hospital and there were war vets all over the place. Some guys that were just on the older side walking around with their cains from WW2 and Korean War just as happy as can be but you can tell that they were in some sort of pain though. We went in to get his medication and had to sit down as there was a long line so they were handing out numbers. Well we sat down and started talking and he was telling me about WW2 and his Distroyer he was on in the Pacific and all the things he was doing from escorting Aircraft Carriers in the Pacific to guarding the Philippines to making their way to be there for the treaty signing. He likes to tell me his stories. Well sitting next to us was a man that was in WW2 as well and said he was on a certain Aircraft Carrier that my Uncle ended up guarding in the Pacific. It was amazing for him to get to know the guy.

Well on the way out I saw some more guys in wheel chairs going around as slow as can be because them being so old and with no one there to help push them around. There were guys from Korea, Vietnam, and WW2. Then right when we were turning the corner, we saw 3 guys from Iraq in their wheel chairs missing a leg, missing an arm, and one guy who was just disabeld somehow because he was in a wheel chair. They were talking with a guy who had his WW2 hat on that was missing a leg as well and I could hear him telling the younger guys "Dont worrie mates, you will make it. I did all these years and would not give up anything for knowing that I fought not only for our country, but for the lifes of the people that we were helping in Europe." When I heard that I started to get chocked up. My uncle was too.

All this to say, thank you to everyone who has served and is serving. You guys and gals are the greatest examples to us what it means to care about other people.

Thank you

Kyle
QXatFAT


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2457 times:

Here's a photo I'm sure has been shared over and over. It fits VERY will with this thread.




To say that I'm less than pleased when perfectly able bodied people fail to stand or to even STFU at the passing of the colors is an understatement.

My hearty Salute to those veterans you saw today . . . young and old. They are surely inspirations.


User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2444 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Here's a photo I'm sure has been shared over and over.

Do you know the source/context of the photo? That photo speaks more than 1,000 words to me.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2432 times:

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 2):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Here's a photo I'm sure has been shared over and over.

Do you know the source/context of the photo? That photo speaks more than 1,000 words to me.

I sure do not. I've had it for a couple years . . .

You're quite right, it speaks volumes, especially about "the greatest generation". Please feel free to save a copy. Use it as often as you like, maybe the message will get out.


User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2405 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2424 times:

Quoting HPLASOps (Reply 2):
That photo speaks more than 1,000 words to me.

I agree totally!

ANCFlyer, if you do not mind me asking...what wars/conflicts have you been involved in?

The thing that sticks out most about my uncle to me is that he is the biggest United States Army/Navy/Marines supporter I know. The best man period. What amazes me even more is that he is from Italy and he is more patriotic and shows more support for our troops then anyone I know. Knowing that his father served in WW1 in the Italian Army, then my uncle being born, they moved to the United States and 2 years before the war my uncle inlisted into the Navy before WW2. That speaks volumes to me knowing he is Italian born with his father fighting in one war for another country and he fights for a different one in the next huge war.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 4):
ANCFlyer, if you do not mind me asking...what wars/conflicts have you been involved in?

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Salute to your Great Uncle . . . .


User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6848 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
To say that I'm less than pleased when perfectly able bodied people fail to stand or to even STFU at the passing of the colors is an understatement.

Probably symptomatic of the "entertain me" generation. I mean, you go to a parade to watch all the people go by, listen to the music, see the show, etc.

Do people stand for the flag only when they're told to?? Those who haven't served, that is.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 6):
Do people stand for the flag only when they're told to??

Not everyone. There are so some people that have some respect for their country and some self-respect left in this land. The numbers are falling however.

Not to worry though, I exercise my 'Freedom of Speech' if I see you sitting on your ass and/or running your mouth when the colors go by.


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

When I was growing up, there will lots of the WWI generation still alive. I remember the various times school, or the cub scouts wuld take us to see them at the old people's homes where they would talk to us. Children are fascinated by the old, and they would tell us everything about what happened in the wars - and I suspect more than they told their own children a lot of the time.

They're treasured memories really, and I do feel a sense of some loss that all those men have gone, and the generation from the second war are disappearing rapidly. My wife's grandfather talks about it sometimes. I remember the first time I met him, and he spoke about being in the Royal Marines. So I asked him what ships he was attached to (naval history being a passion of mine). "Oh, none" he replied. I was a bit puzzled, and asked him how come. "I was a marine commando" he answered.  Wow!

As I've found out later, he is now the last survivor from the recce party who went in, in advance of the liberation of Elba, the "first step" back into Europe for the allies. He was part of the units liberating Japanese PoW camps, and had to make the hideous decision of whether to shoot one of the British prisoners who spotted the unit, in order to make sure he didn't cry out (he didn't). And that he then refused to collect a DSM from the King because they wouldn't give him a 72 hour pass so he could collect his wife (they gave him his pass!) . Oh, and when they formed the SBS, they asked him to be an instructor. My God, he's over 90 and could probably still snap me in two.

Extraordinary stories, and it's a blessing that we still have some of them to talk to.



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8773 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

Bless the individuals who sacrificed so much! Can't say I feel the same for the politicians who started the wars they fought in, though.

It's always interesting to see you British and Americans talk about veterans as your history is so very different. Our veterans from WW2 fought for Hitler, no one ever forgets that and except for a few neo-nazis people at least lament it.



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6848 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 9):
Can't say I feel the same for the politicians who started the wars they fought in, though.

Indeed.

Whereas in the real world

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_r.../1998/10/98/world_war_i/197627.stm

Stories tell of the British and German soldiers playing football together in No Man's Land on Christmas day - but is this just a legend? Historian Malcolm Brown separates fact from fantasy.

"Just you think," wrote one British soldier, "that while you were eating your turkey, etc, I was out talking and shaking hands with the very men I had been trying to kill a few hours before! It was astounding!"



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User currently onlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12289 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2255 times:
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Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Here's a photo I'm sure has been shared over and over. It fits VERY will with this thread.

That it does!  Smile



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31712 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):

Fantastic Pic.Says a lot.

These Troops irrespective from which Armed forces they fight for,deserve a lot for their Sacrifice.
The statement is most appropriate"For our Tomorrow,they gave up their Today"

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

Not much that I can add to what has already been said other than my Grandfather fought at Guadalcanal in WWII and he taught me to have great respect for my country, the flag, and those who fought for them. I still remember as a very young child looking up at the .30 Carbine in his gun rack and asking him why he kept guns and he said (from his wheelchair) that if the U.S. ever fell, it would happen from within and he would do whatever he could to keep that from happening.

Very well explained, QXatFAT, and thank you for sharing your experience. Keeps everything else in perspective, doesn't it?

Thanks for sharing that photo, ANC. Looks from the clothes and hairstyles that it's from the mid to late 70's.


User currently offlinePanAmOldDC8 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
My hearty Salute to those veterans you saw today . . . young and old. They are surely inspirations.

Thanks for the photo, says a lot. As a Vietnam Vet I am especially proud of those who either lost their lives in battle or were wounded. They are the true hero's and they are the ones that meed to be remembered. Lost a friend of mine 3 days ago, was a hit a run in Hamilton. He and I were members of the Canadian Vietnam Veterans Association, had a few good beers together, he had also lost his leg in Nam, but was one hell of a great guy. Nothing but nothing would put him down until now, like to get my hands on the hit and run driver. Going to his funeral tomorrow, RIP Dan. I end with "Where have all the young men gone"



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Here's a photo I'm sure has been shared over and over. It fits VERY will with this thread.

I've been at parades where I've noticed only a few people standing for the honor guard. A simple, loud, "Stand up for the flag," usually gets them on their feet in a split second. Parents and their kids that don't stand up are the ones that really piss me off. What does their disrespect teach their kids?

Mark


User currently offlinePadraighaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
I exercise my 'Freedom of Speech' if I see you sitting on your ass and/or running your mouth when the colors go by.

Then you should hope to never be beside me!

I personally have intense revulsion and suspicion of behaviors and symbols that create emotional group bondings since I think much of the worst of human history has either been caused by individuals being caught up in group hysteria, or having been manipulated through group hysteria.

It's only our flag? It's only showing our troops respect? Nonsense. Look at how things are manipulated right now where we can't even debate the surge policy without having to insulate the issue with a statement of how we support the troops. Look at this web forum where people lose it because they can't see that being opposed to the war and the president is not the same as being opposed to the troops. Look at how the Flag has become a branding for news and talk shows with them being either in the background or on lapel pins. I view this as being a greater insult and more demeaning to the flag than flag burning.

So be careful what assumptions you make about those around you. They might have just as much respect for your symbols but have very different ideas on how to show it.


User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2188 times:

Regarding the photo in Reply 1 and people's support for standing up in such a situation, would you want people to stand to respect the flag, or the soldiers in the parade, or some combination thereof?


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User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2174 times:

Quoting Padraighaz (Reply 16):

Wow, it's really too bad there's no Disrespected Members list. Sorry you don't understand the concepts of National Pride and respect for those who have fought for your freedom.


User currently offlinePanAmOldDC8 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

Quoting Padraighaz (Reply 16):
Then you should hope to never be beside me!

You wouldn't want me there either



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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
I exercise my 'Freedom of Speech' if I see you sitting on your ass and/or running your mouth when the colors go by.

I stand when the colors are presented, and I show my respect during the anthem and pledge...

But isn't it also their freedom to not stand? Yes, it's wrong, and disrespectful...But isn't it their right as Americans?


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 20):
But isn't it also their freedom to not stand? Yes, it's wrong, and disrespectful...But isn't it their right as Americans?

Yes. And it is also our right to despise them for failing to respect some of our most treasured secular representatives of our nationhood.

Would I despise them? Probably not, because I'm a tolerant fellow. But certainly I have a right to, and I have a right to express my opinion of them, whatever it may be. So long as it does not infringe upon their right not to respect the symbols of our nation, expression that overtly condemns such disrespect, if it is genuine, is also protected by our Constitution.

The beliefs of any American who fails to respect our soldiers who have served honorably, are subject to question in my mind.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

Quoting Padraighaz (Reply 16):
So be careful what assumptions you make about those around you. They might have just as much respect for your symbols but have very different ideas on how to show it.

Since you don't care to demonstrate respect for the ideals for which the flag stands for in the most non-partisan manner available, just how do YOU show your respect?

Quoting Queso (Reply 18):
Quoting Padraighaz (Reply 16):

Wow, it's really too bad there's no Disrespected Members list. Sorry you don't understand the concepts of National Pride and respect for those who have fought for your freedom.

An excellent idea - disrespected members list! We should suggest it to Johan.


User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2405 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2116 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 8):
Extraordinary stories, and it's a blessing that we still have some of them to talk to.

Most definatly. I was telling ANC that my Great Uncle is from Italy. His father faught in WW1 for Italy and after the war as a young boy, he moved to the United States with his family. He then inlisted into the Navy before WW2 and then served for the United States as an Italian imigrant whos father faught for another country. I thought this was amazing!

Quoting Queso (Reply 13):
Very well explained, QXatFAT, and thank you for sharing your experience. Keeps everything else in perspective, doesn't it?

Not a problem. And it does keep things in perspectives. How do we normally celebrate Veterans Day or Memorial Day? Useually people just put up their flag, if they actually get off their buts on the couch and put it up, and then use it as a lets go here and do this day instead of actually remembering why we have this day.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
Not everyone. There are so some people that have some respect for their country and some self-respect left in this land. The numbers are falling however.

True they are falling numbers. I remember standing up for the flag every morning at school until I went to the 3rd grade. Then we stopped. I always asked why because I enjoyed this as a part that I could serve as a child. The response was, "We are offending certain students". These were the Jehova Witnesses who do not salute the flag or sing the Anthem. I never ever see students in the class rooms anymore here in Madera, Fresno, Merced standing up for the flag at all. It is a shame! People at my school used to all get to school early so we could all be there for the flag being rased on the outside giant poll! Boy these days are put in history now  Yeah sure



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User currently offlinePadraighaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 22):
Since you don't care to demonstrate respect for the ideals for which the flag stands for in the most non-partisan manner available, just how do YOU show your respect?

I don't care for,or respect, symbols so I'm not interested in showing respect or disrespect for them either.

I make a distinction between the symbol and what it might stand for. I see many on this forum who think patriotism and flag waving is an automatic trump card in any debate or discussion. I see many who profess a love of the Flag, but who I think are barely distinguishable from fascists, and so I think talk is cheap in this area. If you really respected the Flag, you wouldn't use it as a litmus test of loyalty.

Can someone show respect for the Flag with integrity? Absolutely and more power to them, but it's not for me. However, to infer there is no respect for the ideals behind the Flag because someone (like myself) dislikes group-psyche behaviors is not correct.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 22):
An excellent idea - disrespected members list! We should suggest it to Johan.

"Let's form an enemies list so we can quickly categorize forum members into those like 'us' and those like 'them....' It will save us having to read and think about what others might say..." Hmmm. Why even bother with dialog? Why not just label the various lists as patriotic and unpatriotic and say "he is on this list and so is wrong" and just get it over with? Wouldn't that be awesome? Hey I bet there'd be another slice of bread in the loaf you buy at the store if we did that! How about we put a yellow colored 'T' symbol beside the login names of traitors? We'll get around to the Jews and Muslims next month...

Have you guys any idea how pathetic and juvenile a Disrespected Members list sounds?

For the record, I'd be proud to be on any Disrespected Members list some people would have, since the flag has become (you gotta love the irony here) somewhat superficial through over use. But a fresh new wave of fascism and lynch-mobbing based on whether you DISPLAY respect for the flag or not based on the flag-respect-purity-gatekeepers is absolutley hilarious!


25 AerospaceFan : I think I would agree with you that cussing you out, as implied by ANCFlyer, wouldn't be appropriate if you failed to stand for the flag. However, tr
26 Padraighaz : Who fail to respect? Or, who fail to display it publicly? Or who claim to do so because it serves their political agenda even as they waste soldiers'
27 AerospaceFan : Like it or not, we are judged by appearances. At a public ceremony or occasion on which one is given the opportunity to show one's respect, if one fa
28 Post contains links and images AsstChiefMark : I remember this slogan from the VietNam war era.
29 PanAmOldDC8 : Yes I do very well. A lot took up the leave it part
30 AerospaceFan : ^^ That sentiment is defensible, but only if one keeps in mind that no one political party speaks for all Americans. Liberals who criticize this Admin
31 Banco : Really, it's quite remarkable how some of you have got wrapped up in an argument about a poxy flag. Yours, mine whoevers, it's not the point of the or
32 Padraighaz : I've stated my motives - and I can live with them. The inference is that the person might be like me, i.e. someone who is extraordinarily wary of gro
33 PanAmOldDC8 : Unfortunately the flag is part of the whole operation, whether you agree or disagree. When you fight, it is the flag of your country that you fight u
34 Post contains images CroCop : The ultimate THANKS, Sadly we dont see what they see, they have given so much.
35 AerospaceFan : Banco, I agree that it's the people that matter most. However, unlike in Britain, the national flag here in the United States is held with a degree o
36 Banco : I would say it isn't when you look at the broader picture. I have no interest whatsover in your flag, and roll my eyes when I read discussions on it.
37 Banco : Are we? Bloody hell, that'll be news to the whole country! Sod that! More seriously, I don't think there is an equivalent. A much greater level of cy
38 AerospaceFan : I can certainly gather that. Might I ask how long this has been, because it certainly did not exist to this extent upon the coronation of Elizabeth I
39 Padraighaz : Nicely said.
40 LHStarAlliance : Well, I thank America so much for free Germany and Europe from the Nazis ! But what America is doing in Iraq and Afghanistan is not good for them it´
41 AerospaceFan : And yet it could hardly be gainsaid that one could demand both respect for our veterans and for the flag that represents the best of our nation, is t
42 AirCop : Judging from the tracks in the street, old style Bank of America sign and the dress of the spectators, I'm guessing San Francisco in the mid 1980's.
43 Post contains images Banco : No, you're quite correct. Probably the 1960s was when you had that real breakdown of "respect" (i.e. subservience), but in truth it had been moving i
44 Padraighaz : Rather than demanding respect for, I would say they are worthy of respect. And while I have no problem with the premise the flag represents the best
45 AerospaceFan : But why else would one not show respect? The flag is above mere politics, after all. One could show respect for the flag even while disagreeing, with
46 S12PPL : Like I said...I think it shows disrespect to not stand and give attention to the colors when they are presented. But..I'd also understand someone exer
47 PanAmOldDC8 : What is wrong with the Afghan mission, It was approved by the UN and we are only trying to help people who are helpless and have lived with the threa
48 Cumulus : Having used the web for ten years or so I've seen a lot of eye opening things from Marilyn Monroe in a mortuary to controlling a webcam in Sydney, bu
49 Speedbird747BA : Respect for the flag is necessary. I say the pledge eveery morning, I play the National Anthem at every football band, and I always stand and take off
50 PanAmOldDC8 : Good for you and I am proud of you. Keep up the good work
51 Yellowstone : I definitely agree with this statement. Too many people in this country have a borderline flag fetish. The important thing isn't the flag, but the id
52 Padraighaz : In my case, I find the whole business of respecting symbols troublesome. The worst abuses and horrors in history have been associated with symbols -
53 Yellowstone : How about saying that every citizen, male or female, has an obligation to serve their country (and by that, I mean the people that make up the countr
54 StealthZ : It might be time to move on from the flag waving and debate over what that means or doesn't mean and return to the sentiment expressed by Kyle in his
55 Speedbird747BA : Thanks. I mean every male citizen should be in the military for at least 4-5 years. I dont think it should be mandatory, though. Everyone should help
56 Klaus : I'll believe you once you stop calling political opponents traitors or enemies of the USA as we all know you doing routinely. Many tactical things on
57 Padraighaz : How about criticizing immoral wars and actions your country is engaged in? Would that not be a more meaningful statement of caring about your country
58 PanAmOldDC8 : Nothing is absolute not even life itself and I agree with you to a certain extent. The mission in Afghanistan, needs the full backing of the NATO all
59 Klaus : Absolutely. No disagreement at all.
60 Post contains images S12PPL : You must have trouble at bussy airports... In my opinion...There is such a thing as over patriotism. If you salute every flag you pass...Say the pled
61 CroCop : And at the time, people probably didn't like us doing things then either. You cant please everyone, especially with ALL the liberals we have in our c
62 Queso : Padraighaz, after all you've said in this thread why don't you change your flag on your profile? I'd appreciate it if you did, and I'm sure there are
63 StealthZ : Well that fell on a bunch of jingoistic deaf ears!! How about getting back to the topic and take your raging patriotic fervour to a new thread!
64 Padraighaz : First off is the problem that if the flag doesn't represent the right not to salute it, it stands for nothing. Second, not saluting the flag is not t
65 Post contains images Speedbird747BA : I salute every flag that passes me, like in a parade or something. They play it over the loudspeakers and I have no objection at all. You have a poin
66 QXatFAT : That is correct. My father taught me how to respect the flag at a young age. He is a Mexican Imigrant for crying out loud! Many Americans born in the
67 Padraighaz : What's next? Are you going to sing the Horst Wessel song for us also?
68 AsstChiefMark : Hey Padraighaz... I'm just wondering. If the USA was invaded and the military needed a little help, would you step up and help defend this country? Or
69 Post contains images OzGlobal :
70 Post contains images Halls120 : Do you even read posts before you respond to them? I didn't ask you how you show respect for the flag. I asked how you show respect for the ideals th
71 Padraighaz : Of course I would love to help it. Why wouldn't I? Sheesh...
72 AsstChiefMark : But you won't be the flagbearer? I'll buy that. Mark
73 PanAmOldDC8 : Not my quote
74 PanAmOldDC8 : From a Vet thank you vey much I appreciate that
75 Mirrodie : Great opening post. I've been touched my many lives while at the VA. Glad you were able to come with such an experience.
76 Padraighaz : You are correct - you were asking about the ideals and I mis-read it. How do I show respect for ideals associated with the flag? By defending them. I
77 Post contains images Halls120 : Um, most people on this board post anonymously. Just how dangerous is an "enemies" list when the names on it are aliases? No, I'm serious. You want t
78 ANCFlyer : I think mayhaps you have it backward young Sir. As for the rest of your post, well, you're free to pack your crap and leave this country whenever you
79 Padraighaz : It's the thought that counts. It's what it says about ultra-right wingers on A.NET. Heh! More squirming. You're the one who wanted to rush to Johan w
80 Post contains images S12PPL : High school basketball, baseball, and football. And, soon, college baseball. Well, you missed my point...But ok. Oh...Well you didn't say that You ju
81 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Really touching story Kyle, thanks for sharing it . Thanks to all those who have served and are serving our great Country, God bless you all, thanks f
82 Post contains links HAWK21M : http://www.bharat-rakshak.com Great Fighters,Greater Achivements. regds MEL
83 QXatFAT : Sorry about that. I miss read it. Not a problem. There really is not a time where I express things that make me emotional. But this, this should make
84 Itsjustme : I must say, I admire your spunk. You've taken a stand, an unpopular one to say the least, and you've held your ground. You've also made a pretty good
85 Post contains images Halls120 : So let's see where we stand. You are worried about an enemies list full of anonymous names, because it's the thought that counts. Pretty dangerous th
86 TheSorcerer : Is that aimed at the anti war protesters? There are always going to be certain things in a country that people don't like. Saying that people who are
87 Post contains links HAWK21M : http://www.bharat-rakshak.com regds MEL
88 Wrighbrothers : I've always had respect for our flag, and other nations too. I remember I was at a ice-hockey game in Seattle, and they played the national anthem (th
89 PanAmOldDC8 : Keep up the good work. I was around a long time before the Duke of Edinburgh award but I did recieve the Queen's Scout award. I belong to the Rotary
90 AsstChiefMark : It was. People really went out of their way to protest the Vietnam war and seemed to be more violent and vocal than today. Mark
91 PanAmOldDC8 : Hey Mark. Yes they were. Remember the Kent State affair. I remember when I was stationed at Pax River, MD we were advised to go off base in civvies s
92 Post contains images Klaus : That is pure, unadulterated militarism at its worst! Devaluing everything civilian in the vain hope to do the veterans some good with it is an extrem
93 PanAmOldDC8 : Unfortunately we see very little of this anymore, they are the forgotten ones
94 Klaus : Okay - looked at the profile of "wrighbrothers". Figures. Even the user name has a typo.
95 PanAmOldDC8 : Klaus. Don't you think that was a bit harsh. You can disagree, but you don't have to become personal
96 Post contains images Wrighbrothers : It's actually a poem...(which I didn't write) quoting tha fact that it's the veteran that fought for the freedom of those things, after all, we would
97 Klaus : I agree - but his age puts his earlier post (and the uncredited quote he used) in a different context than I thought it had initially, so it is perti
98 PanAmOldDC8 : Remember we were all that young at one time and I am sure we said and did things that were out of context, and I am sure we still do
99 TheCol : I think you are forgetting the the flag is the people. When you pay homage to the flag, you are not submitting yourself to your leaders or their poli
100 Post contains links OzGlobal : Australia, where I come from, has a history of being at the heart of major conflicts with the finest youth ending up as cannon fodder in the latest mi
101 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Typical for you Klaus . . . .not unexpected at all. . . The point was entirely lost on you . . . . Well said, too bad that concept is foerign to most
102 Post contains images Klaus : The forum rules (and proper handling of external texts in general) require that you explicitly indicate a quote unless it is universally known anyway
103 ANCFlyer : Interesingly though Klaus, even when Pres Clinton was in office, or Pres. Carter (Democrats) my feelings - and the feelings of most people that hold
104 Klaus : No, sorry. You're talking about the ideal. But at the same time you yourself have intermingled clearly political issues with symbols of the state in
105 ANCFlyer : Once again your talking about the Bush administration . . . What part of This Isn't About Politics don't you seem to grasp? It matters not who is in
106 Klaus : It shouldn't be, but the current US government has co-opted national symbols to an extent which has been unprecedented at least in my political lifet
107 ANCFlyer : You still don't get it Klaus . . . . not even close. YOU are the one - you and Padraid - that are dragging this current administration into this thre
108 Post contains images RobertNL070 : While it's very simple to understand. Administrations come and administrations go. The Dutch flag, a horizontal driekleur tricolor, represents the un
109 Post contains images Halls120 : I stood at attention when the colors were presented when Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush were President. And no matter who is el
110 ANCFlyer : Better believe it, and pity the fool that I notice that fails to do so.
111 Post contains images Wrighbrothers : Okay, noted And I understand all of what you have said, it doesn't matter what side the soldier (or airman, seaman or whatever) comes from, it's the
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