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User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11951 posts, RR: 47
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4446 times:

A new UNICEF report has resulted in a list over the worst "rich" countries to grow up in. And right at the bottom is... (drumroll please); Great Britain. *shocking...*

The report focuses on the happiness of children, plus factors like poverty, health, safety, family situations, and education.

"Child poverty in perspective: An overview of child well-being in rich countries" places Great Britain in the bottom 3 in 5 of the 6 categories. Over 15% of children in Great Britain are below the poverty line, and tend to have bad relationships with their parents, are more often exposed to dangers related to drugs, alcohol, unprotected sex, and teen pregnancies, compared to children in other countries.

Britain was also ranked bottom regarding "child behaviour", and their behaviour towards other children. Less than 50% of the British children surveyed said their friends were "kind or helpful", while over 80% of the children in Portugal used these words to describe their friends.

The entire list is:

1. The Netherlands
2. Sweden
3. Denmark
4. Finland
5. Spain
6. Switzerland
7. Norway
8. Italy
9. Ireland
10. Belgium
11. Germany
12. Canada
13. Greece
14. Poland
15. Czech rep
16. France
17. Portugal
18. Austria
19. Hungary
20. USA
21. Great Britain

Thom@s


"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
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User currently offlineHUYguy From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4432 times:

Jeez, I knew that already  Yeah sure .

j/k.

I have to say its an embarressment really though, although it doesn't really come as a shock I suppose. Some kids I know really do have it rough. Just last week my friend got kicked out of her house by her mum and has been couch surfing from friend to friend. Its quite shameful really.

BTW, please can someone tell me how it means when it says 'below the poverty line?'

Shane


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11617 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4405 times:

You are considered to be below the poverty line when your household is surviving on just half or less of the income of the average family household in Britain.


Personally I blame Scotland Wink duck 

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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4670 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4400 times:

Quoting Thom@s (Thread starter):

1. The Netherlands

Oh yes!



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8698 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4386 times:

Quoting Thom@s (Thread starter):
11. Germany

Oh no!

Verboten to play football on the lawn, verboten to make noise in the afternoon, verboten to play on the schoolyard after school, verboten this, verboten that, verboten to be a kid.  sarcastic  I can't say the result comes as a surprise.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4376 times:

The worst place is with sh**y parents.

Dad Left Toddler Outside To Freeze To Death (by Flyingbronco05 Feb 8 2007 in Non Aviation)

and the stupid cow that passed out drunk at a McDonald's drive-thru with her kid in the car.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4367 times:

Netherlands would be the tits to grow up in. Or Italy.

-Copa


User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4329 times:

Hmm, at least I turned out OK - though I can't say I am surprised. Teachers are commonly too busy filling in paperwork to actually teach, and anything to spice up lessons such as bringing in animals, or taking kids on trips, is either banned or subject to further mountains of paperwork. Additionally, discipline is pretty much forbidden, and the kids have more power than the teachers - and most are well aware of the fact!

Unfortunately, it is similar out in the real world - kids are practically invincible, so anti-social behaviour is rife, largely thanks to the 'chav' culture - whether this is a product of this generation or of a previous one, however, is debateable - however, it is almost certain that things are not going to get better any time soon!



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User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2060 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4329 times:

No Australia?

Being a kid over here is awesome, couldn't pick another country to grow up in. Oh well.

Thom@s do you have a link to a page where we can view all the results?


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4280 times:

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 8):
No Australia?

Being a kid over here is awesome, couldn't pick another country to grow up in. Oh well.

Thom@s do you have a link to a page where we can view all the results?

A link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/13_02_07_nn_unicef.pdf

Noticed the same, why no Australia or NZ?


User currently offlineRammstein From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4269 times:

Quoting Andaman (Reply 9):
Noticed the same, why no Australia or NZ?

Quoting the research:

OECD countries with insufficient data to be included in the overview: Australia, Iceland, Japan, Luxembourg, Mexico, New Zealand,
the Slovak Republic, South Korea, Turkey.


User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1831 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4264 times:

I'm quite surprised Canada isn't ranked a bit higher, although if all countries were included 12 isn't too shabby at all.

Quoting Aloges (Reply 4):
Verboten to play football on the lawn, verboten to make noise in the afternoon, verboten to play on the schoolyard after school, verboten this, verboten that, verboten to be a kid. I can't say the result comes as a surprise.

 rotfl 


User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3300 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4246 times:
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Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 7):
Hmm, at least I turned out OK

Same with my roommate. Although, admittedly, he moved to the US when he was 13. Although the USA didn't do much better. Not that I'm surprised in the least. The only thing the US has going for it is its schooling system, despite the insane prices. The lifestyles in Europe are just so much more interesting. My "plan" (I put it in quotes because life rarely works out how you plan) is to find a job in Switzerland once I'm out of college, get married, live there a while, then, when I have kids who are ready to go to secondary school and onwards, move back to the USA to send them to High School and college here. Once they're in college, move back to Switzerland and live out the rest of my days there. But I'll be sure to visit Switzerland all the time with my kids while they study here so that they can be exposed to the culture as much or more than I have been.

TIS



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User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4221 times:

A view FROM 'the youth'

Well...can't say I'm surprised, knowing the type of kids growing up nowadays in this country.
The education system isn't as good as it used to be, and rules are too relaxed sometimes, IMHO, the removal of physical punishment from school has been a key thing, since an hour after school isn't really punishment and the teachers have no real authority in some classes.
People don't read anymore and/or invest time in learning how the world works, the other day, someone asked if the Iraq war was part of 'World war three'  Yeah sure. Another thought Argentina was part of NATO (I was the only one that actually knew what NATO was, in-fact, I seemed to be the only person with a brain) and another of tomorrows generation thought WW1 ended in 1921 !

The simple fact is, the education system is pretty rubbish, and nobody seems to invest time in learning outside of school, to today's generation (not all, but most), homework is something that isn't to done, class is just time to talk to your mates and an hours detention is something that is seen as a bit of a laugh and an inconvenience, not punishment.
History, maths, english, you name it, people pay attention, and the government has now drawn up these wonderful planes to have 10min lessons and 'mixed lessons', where you have two teachers, which just shows what a joke it really is !

More focus needs to be put on punishment, paying attention, presentation, speaking properly, respecting older people and actually knuckling down with your work, not treating life as one big joke. As I always suggest, military service could be an option, or some sort of service that gives back to the community, the 'military' (cadets) hasn't done me any harm.
This days generation seems to be more and more full of people who leave school (sometimes before they even take exams), unable to read, write, speak proper english. Are disrespectful, arrogant and can't have an intellectual conversation, because they simply don't know enough
If you know what NATO means, or know lots about the subject, you're seen as a 'geek', if you don't think going out on friday night at aged 14 and getting drunk and maybe even taking drugs, you're not 'in with the times'. Everything seems to be a laugh nowadays, education...well....I don't need one of them. Kids just think jobs will magically appear and everything will be fine.

Another problem, Parents. There are more and more single parent families (usually single mums), this leads to kids (especially boys) having no role model, going out at 13 or 14, getting drunk, and getting no real punishment, which in-turn, leads to them doing it again and again, and thinking it's acceptable. This means, that instead of learning about stuff that could be usefull, and using the old brain, they just mindlessly ruin it. Some parents don't care about there kids, if they get arrested, they just shrug their shoulders and carry on and this means that their kid grows up, has sex with a girl at sixteen, before he can even support himself, and then turns to the support system crying for money, becomes a part time dad because he can't handle the responsibility of what he's created and then leaves the kid without a role model, and the vicious circle begins again.

I'm considered part of 'todays youth' and go to secondary school, I hope my post shows that there still is some hope for today's generation, there are still thinkers and people who read and take an interest in the world, but something REALLY has to be done, and it really needs to be done know.
I VALUE my education, I think it's the most important thing in my life right now, I read alot about everything, don't get drunk or wear a hoody and wear my school uniform smartly, top button done up, shirt tucked in and I have respect for my elders. I know a job isn't going to suddenly appear and everything will be fine, because if I don't pay attention at school, it won't. Ask me who Pol Pot is, or when the Vietnam war ended, why our troops are in Norther Ireland and how an aircraft engine works, and I can tell you, because I read and take an interest.
It's just a shame I'm one of a limited number.......and it worries me, it really does.

wrighbrothers



Always stand up for what is right, even if it means standing alone..
User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8698 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4201 times:

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 13):
There are more and more single parent families (usually single mums), this leads to kids (especially boys) having no role model, going out at 13 or 14, getting drunk, and getting no real punishment, which in-turn, leads to them doing it again and again, and thinking it's acceptable.

To be honest I didn't read through your entire post, so maybe yu said it already: the same problem exists with teachers, at least in primary education. Most of them are female and a number of them can hardly reign in "unruly" boys, simply because they get along much better with the girls.

Of course it's not the women's fault the fathers of their children leave them alone, just as it's not their fault there aren't enough male teachers. But nevertheless it's important to factor that in when talking about the environments many children grow up in nowadays.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineHUYguy From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4185 times:

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 13):
Another problem, Parents. There are more and more single parent families (usually single mums), this leads to kids (especially boys) having no role model, going out at 13 or 14, getting drunk, and getting no real punishment, which in-turn, leads to them doing it again and again, and thinking it's acceptable.

I dispute that entirely. My mum has raised me almost single-handedly since I was 10, and my brothers since they were 8 and 1 year old, and none of us are binge drinking yobs that get away with murder. Also, I'd like to point out that in the majority of cases, single parent families cannot be avioded, as it is the men that walk out on the kids. It is not a social problem that can be sorted out, and there is no correlation between single parents raising troublesome youths.


However, I do agree with you that the education system over here is a mess. There are some pretty shitty schools where I live, however, I believe selective education is the way forward. I went to a all boys, selective grammar school, and EVERYONE in my year achieved 5 A*-C grades. Its seperating the ones that are willing to learn from the ones that are disruptive. I say, if they want to ruin their education then go do it, but the ones that have a brain and are willing to work should be given the right to do so. I also think a seperate sex environment is also provides less distractions. The prove is really in the school league tables.

Shane


User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4169 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 14):
the same problem exists with teachers, at least in primary education. Most of them are female and a number of them can hardly reign in "unruly" boys, simply because they get along much better with the girls.

This is actually a problem we have, not enough male primary school teachers..

Quoting HUYguy (Reply 15):
I dispute that entirely. My mum has raised me almost single-handedly since I was 10, and my brothers since they were 8 and 1 year old, and none of us are binge drinking yobs that get away with murder. Also, I'd like to point out that in the majority of cases, single parent families cannot be avoided, as it is the men that walk out on the kids. It is not a social problem that can be sorted out, and there is no correlation between single parents raising troublesome youths.

And that's good, I'm not saying that every case is like the one I mentioned, but it does seem to be quite common, because the father walks out, and the kids are left, and resort to trouble or become disruptive. There's no factual evidence I can provide, just my personal experience as a student. Aslo, the fact that I'm talking about kids who got to a normal public school payed for by the government, not a grammar school has (a small) something to do with it, as they just get dragged down by other people when they start to behave baddly.

Quoting HUYguy (Reply 15):
Its seperating the ones that are willing to learn from the ones that are disruptive. I say, if they want to ruin their education then go do it, but the ones that have a brain and are willing to work should be given the right to do so.

I completly agree with you, this is the problem, people who could potentialy be clever, are just dragged out of the idea by people who bully them for using a brain and so don't use it.

wrighbrothers



Always stand up for what is right, even if it means standing alone..
User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2711 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4101 times:

Fascinating data. Makes you think about what really matters in policy development and economic performance. Our reductionist indicators of 'progress' and 'growth' have not served us well. An index like this should be quoted alongside GDP, Economic growth, etc to give the fuller picture.

There are challenges for everyone in this report....



When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlineHUYguy From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4013 times:

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 16):
Aslo, the fact that I'm talking about kids who got to a normal public school payed for by the government, not a grammar school has (a small) something to do with it

My education was payed for by the government too. My grammar school was still a state school (as all grammar schools are in Lincolnshire).

Shane


User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3982 times:

Quoting HUYguy (Reply 18):
My education was payed for by the government too. My grammar school was still a state school (as all grammar schools are in Lincolnshire).

I know what a grammar school is, I'm making the point, that grammar school select who they want, and the rest are put into normal government state schools. This means that the clever (and usually well behaved) students are sucked up by private or grammar school, leaving those not clever enough and/or well behaved enough in state schools, this means that they are all mixed together, and while I think the 11+ is a good system (I myself took it and passed), it just means that those not fortunate enough are left in at the deep end, and it's more difficult to be a success. This is not to say that you can't (my brother went to a normal state school and got 6 A*, 5 A's and 2 B's at GCSE, then went on to a state college and got 3 A grade A-Levels).

wrighbrothers



Always stand up for what is right, even if it means standing alone..
User currently offlinePAHS200 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

Quoting Thom@s (Thread starter):
20. USA

The USA number 20..NO! I really throught (and think) that we should be in the top 5.

all you need to do is walk down the street to see how kids in the states treat others like trash. Are education sucks and at least in my school no one really cares about it.

it seems no one will do anything nice for anyone anymore,


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3910 times:

Quoting Thom@s (Reply 22):


Thom@s

Hi Thom@s.

Can you state with precision just why you dug this up and posted it? Do you folks in Norway need validation so badly you have to resort to UNICEF reports?

C'mon. Put up your dukes.


 Wink


User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11951 posts, RR: 47
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3882 times:

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 24):
Can you state with precision just why you dug this up and posted it?

I came across it when scrolling through the website of a Norwegian newspaper. They had covered the story, and I thought to myself "Is this something worth posting on a.net?" Since I was bored, I decided "why not..?"

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 24):
Do you folks in Norway need validation so badly you have to resort to UNICEF reports?

Erm... no...

Do you folks in... Algeria dislike the UNICEF reports in general, or is it just you that is so provoked by it...?

Thom@s  scratchchin 



"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3870 times:

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 24):

Hi Thom@s.

Can you state with precision just why you dug this up and posted it? Do you folks in Norway need validation so badly you have to resort to UNICEF reports?

C'mon. Put up your dukes.



If you don't like the results, it doesn't necessarily make it a bad report..
Of course it's good to be critical, but generally speaking this report has got a good response, at least here in Europe.

I don't think the real point was to compete which country is the best for kids but to bring up the problems to discussion, and every country has something to improve. I have family both in Northern-Europe and in Northern-America, there are differences how the kids are doing.
I don't think Thom@s coming from Norway has anything to do with this, usually we Nordics keep quiet
if we are not in top 3..  Wink


User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11951 posts, RR: 47
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3865 times:

Quoting Andaman (Reply 23):
I don't think Thom@s coming from Norway has anything to do with this, usually we Nordics keep quiet
if we are not in top 3..

Indeed, this was not a "hey my country is near the top of a list, let's bash the countries at the bottom" thread... I've spent a fair amount of time in Britain, and have seen what the situation can be like for kids there. Therefore the report results came as no surprise to me.

Thom@s



"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
25 Post contains images FlyingTexan : Notice the top 4 countries all have very strong social support networks - countries who care about the welfare of its people - healthcare, higher educ
26 Post contains images AndesSMF : So this is a list of rankings for the best countries in the world to live, and in this list kids in the UK came up to be the 'worse' off. Should UNICE
27 Post contains images SandroZRH : Only sixt? Seriousely I think thats quite good, but i expected Austria to be higher up in the list aswell as Norway, Spain comes as a surprise to me b
28 Post contains images Andaman : These are not easy questions. My American friend said he wouldn't accept the Finnish system, that he would have to pay high taxes so somebody's else
29 Post contains links Oly720man : Devon? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/6366255.stm Footage of four women goading toddlers to fight has "stunned" police and social services i
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