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Bin Laden Wants Oil Targeted  
User currently offlinePanAmOldDC8 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 960 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2161 times:

Usama Bin Laden wants the oil facilities of Mexico, Venezuela and Canada targeted and destroyed. He also wants wants videos taken of the destruction so he can show the world. This was published on the Voice of the JIhad. The statement said that we need to kill the economy of the evil Americans before they get the new technology, then they won't need Middle Eastern oil.
This was publish on a Fox/CNN news headline


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User currently offlinePanAmOldDC8 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

Now posted all over the Canadian News sites as well


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User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2126 times:

Finally saw it on the news myself. Surprised no one has posted on this.

So now they are advocating attacks on countries that are associated to the US, via oil. That's nice.

Now, who is al-Qaeda NOT targetting?


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

Sounds like he still has some oil company stock that is suffering since the price of oil has fallen back a bit. The SEC is gonna be pissed when they find out he's talking like this in public!

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

Ah, but he doesn't want ARAB oil destroyed?

I see.

And it must be obvious he's not a big fan of Chavez, who is now an Iranian ally.

It's time to find this turd and take him out.


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2112 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 4):
The SEC is gonna be pissed when they find out he's talking like this in public!

At least now you can make a criminal matter again.


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Oh wow, suddenly Osama appears in the picture again. Haven't heard from him in so long... I mean after all I was beginning to think that Saddam was responsible for 9-11  Yeah sure

User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2033 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):
It's time to find this turd and take him out.

Actually its been time for the past 10 or so years!

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):
And it must be obvious he's not a big fan of Chavez, who is now an Iranian ally.

Cuba and Iran great company Chavez is keeping these days.

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Thread starter):
Bin Laden wants the oil facilities of Mexico, Venezuela and Canada targeted and destroyed.

Guess the security around the oil facilities will increase..


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

Ahh Osama....what a chowderhead.

Don't you just love how he specified that these attacks need to happen before oil alternatives such as E85 become more prevelent.



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User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Thread starter):
Usama Bin Laden wants the oil facilities of Mexico, Venezuela and Canada targeted and destroyed. He also wants wants videos taken of the destruction so he can show the world. This was published on the Voice of the JIhad

The nerve of him! Tell you what? Let's target that miscreant and the rest of his extended $$$ family.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

Isn't OBL not Existing anymore.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlinePanAmOldDC8 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 10):
Isn't OBL not Existing anymore.
regds

He lives out there somewhere on the edge of space



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User currently offlineCairo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1918 times:

It should be noted, I think, that the proximate source of this threat is a

Saudi Arabian terrorist group

...'making the statements as part of OBL's declared policy.' *

The hypocrisy in not addressing the Saudis' role in terrorism and the Iraqi insurgency is part of the failure of US policy in the ME.

Cozying up to the Saudis, just because they temporarily offer some semblence of alliance to the US, has of course backfired, and will only cause ever-more-serious consequences...as it always does when the US supports repressive regimes. (see how US support of the Shah & Saddam ended up backfiring on the US)

Cairo

*
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,252098,00.html


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12394 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1918 times:
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Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 9):
Let's target that miscreant and the rest of his extended $$$ family.

Er, wouldn't you need to know where he is first? scratchchin 

Anyway, I though Shrub didn't care where OBL is any more?



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User currently offline174thfwff From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1907 times:

Osama is now the Uncle Sam for terrorists... people have to see that "terrorists" are bad people that want to cause harm, and we have to go to them before they come to us. I sadly see that people and countries will still cry for peace until they get bombed and their oil factories get blown up before they will take any action.

Blank threats or not, people who even think about taking part in something like this should be hunted down and killed. I am not a man of god, so there are reasons why I think killing these people are justified. Good > Evil


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1898 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 6):
Haven't heard from him in so long...

I think I saw him last week in Philadelphia boarding a USAirways flight. The TSA was saying something about his tube of toothpaste being over 3oz


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

He seems a bit confused so that probably makes it difficult to prevent whatever it is he wants to do, because it rather looks as if he has no clear idea either! Attacking oil targets might not be as easy as it seems. Saddam was the last to have a go and fairly amazingly, the wells were all shut in within about 9 months IIRC. Tankers might be more difficult to protect, although all or almost all are now double hulled.

I have a feeling Osama feels a need to make these speeches in order to live up to the reputation that he has been given. I have a suspicion that he takes credit for far more "operations" than he actually plans and puts into operation.


User currently offlinePanAmOldDC8 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

Our news media in Canada are saying that it will never happen in Canada. I just hope they have not got people's hopes up too high for a big fall


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Why is the media allowing OBL to even get free press? Cut off OBL and then maybe he'll just fade away and become a imfamous memory. Thats a pipedream, I know. But the media is continuing to add fuel to the fire that needs to be put out. In other words, OBL's #1 ally is the world's media.


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User currently offlinePanAmOldDC8 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1875 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 18):
. In other words, OBL's #1 ally is the world's media.

Of course, bad news sells papers and keeps the TV people happy, why would you think they show the crap they do otherwise



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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1858 times:
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Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 19):
Of course, bad news sells papers and keeps the TV people happy, why would you think they show the crap they do otherwise

The story was grossly over-played. It looks to me like they put so much time and effort into justifying their news judgment with comments from all and sundry, that they didn't notice that most of those comments actually downplayed the importance of the threat. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story ...



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User currently offlinePadraighaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1845 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 18):
Why is the media allowing OBL to even get free press? Cut off OBL and then maybe he'll just fade away and become a imfamous memory. Thats a pipedream, I know. But the media is continuing to add fuel to the fire that needs to be put out. In other words, OBL's #1 ally is the world's media.

OBL's #1 ally is GWB. There has always been terrorism and it is likely there will be for quite a while into the future. The only thing different about 9-11 was it was a terrorist attack from an external enemy - let's not forget Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist. Other countries had learned to live with terrorists and rebels without destroying their economies and had realized that terrorists tend to be somewhat generational and can come and go. There are a couple of reasons for this. First, a radical message fueled by a perceived outrage is not so compelling to a later generation more distant from the outrage. Second, as time passes, tempers can calm down, judicial and political systems can evolve, and so the basic context of the rage can shift and dissipate. European nations have learned this, as have others. In addition, there is the reality check that need to be done in the sense one has to measure what you might gain against what you might lose with whatever strategy you adopt to confront terror. We can always trade freedom for safety, but is this what we really want?

GWB didn't listen to any ally or consider any lessons from history when he decided to wage a war on terror. He did not choose to adopt a strategy of managing and containing terrorism, but instead blundered into creating a scenario where not only he could he not win (what constitues victory in a War on Terror?) but the terrorists could, merely by being seen to exist and operate in spite of being opposed by a superpower. He could have adopted a strategy where he bluntly told americans that because we live in a free society, he wasn't going to give terrorists a victory by turning us into a police state; he could have said that in a free democracy, we will suffer some casualties at the hands of terrorists, but that he would hunt down like dogs any that did attack us and kill them when he could. Such positions would be much more effective in fighting terrorism, deny terrorists any sense of significant victory, and create a better sense of perspective of the problem among americans.

This would have demonstrated level headed and reflective leadership and maturity in the face of a problem that has no easy solution. Unfortunately, his actions are totally at odds with what we need from senior statesmen.


User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2038 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1826 times:

Quoting Padraighaz (Reply 21):

So you figure we should have just ignored Afghanistan, and let the training camps turn out hundreds of new terrorists and ship them back to their host countries?



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User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1818 times:

Quoting Padraighaz (Reply 21):
Other countries had learned to live with terrorists and rebels without destroying their economies and had realized that terrorists tend to be somewhat generational and can come and go

Tell me any country where this applies.


User currently offlinePadraighaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

Quoting TheCol (Reply 22):
So you figure we should have just ignored Afghanistan, and let the training camps turn out hundreds of new terrorists and ship them back to their host countries?

No. I think the attack on the Taliban was justified becuase they attacked us and this was a very specific and closed response.


25 AirframeAS : What country does this apply to? Whatever it is that you have been smoking, spread the wealth.
26 Padraighaz : Northern Ireland for one with the IRA, The Basque Separatists for another; the Baader Meinhoff(sp?) in Germany, and the radicals in Italy. And also t
27 AndesSMF : The IRA was a 70 year fight, and only lately has there been breakthroughs. Basques just attacked an killed two Ecuadorians. Bader Meinhof (sic) leade
28 Padraighaz : You misunderstood my point; I am not saying that terrorism should be ignored. What I mean by 'living with terrorism' is recognizing there will always
29 AndesSMF : It all depends on what the terrorist group is trying to achieve. It has been well publicized that al-Qaeda and other similar groups are trying to crea
30 Padraighaz : I agree that different groups might need different strategies, hence it is foolish to lump them all together. Yes and No. Any nut can issue a threat
31 AndesSMF : But not all have been able to carry them out. And it is a good sign if he is feeling alone and ignored. Just because he has not called for it lately
32 Post contains links QANTAS077 : who and what is Al Qaeda? http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1037.htm this makes interesting watching.[Edited 2007-02-15 23:39:40]
33 AndesSMF : From your source I take a direct qoute: "The Power of Nightmares (about al-Qaeda) assesses whether the threat from a hidden and organised terrorist n
34 QANTAS077 : watch it...you might learn something.
35 AndesSMF : I did, and I learned something...about you... BTW, for those who don't want to bother to go thru it, to boil it down, you have all been fooled by neo
36 QANTAS077 : watched 3hrs in under 30mins...i just learned something about you.
37 AndesSMF : Yes, I am a fast reader, transcripts located at the bottom. You still have to answer the question I asked.
38 Post contains links and images N231YE : This is interesting... http://www.terrorfreeoil.org/ ...if one of these opens up around my area, I will definately get it, even for a 30 minute drive,
39 Padraighaz : Agreed.
40 Post contains images Baroque : Excellent set of posts Pdr. At the least we should be awake to the possibility that the propositions in QF077s posts has some truth. Indeed it does.
41 QANTAS077 : what i found very interesting was the bunker assertion put forward by the Americans...then when US and allied forces arrive in the area they suspect
42 Padraighaz : I'm assuming you're being sarcastic. It seems to me Al Qaeda is given way too much credit, and if it really had a tenth of the ability it is supposed
43 AndesSMF : Attacks on Bali, Madrid, London, US, Africa, ME, etc. Did I miss one? Is that not international. IIRC, the administration never claimed coherence. Wh
44 Padraighaz : Yes you are correct. The point I'm getting at is that it seems to me the degree of coherence, in the sense of a strongly adhered to common philosophy
45 QANTAS077 : lets get one thing straight...you never had nor do you have me, nor did i say that Al Qaeda wasn't a big deal, i said that the existence and sophisti
46 AndesSMF : So, from your viewpoint it is a big deal, just not as powerful as claimed... And you say it is a big deal, but its existence should be questioned...
47 QANTAS077 : go watch the documentary...you're telling me that al qaeda has sleeper cells in every corner of the planet? they're about to launch attacks on oil in
48 PanAmOldDC8 : You have all missed the point of why I posted this. There aim is to get at the US before they get alternative energy, which I believe is not too far d
49 Baroque : Bali is an interesting case in point. There were some links to OBL mostly through Hambali although the US has kept him close to their chest and only
50 HAWK21M : There was a rumour that OBL may be in the Mountains of the NWFP bordering Afghanistan & Pakistan.But since there has been no Visuals or recent Audio t
51 QANTAS077 : you don't get the point..it's a problem the neocons created because they don't have any viable solutions or policies which the people believe in, the
52 PanAmOldDC8 : They are not a type of group just to hit, they plan their attacks well, 9/11 comes to mind.They hide in the shadows and wait for the right time and p
53 Padraighaz : Look, the IRA set off more bombs than al-Queda ever did before the Iraq mess. Were they a 'big deal'? Yes in some sense. Were they comparable to the
54 Padraighaz : And this really is an important point that deserves a response. Basically we have a choice in how we are going to approach this whole terrorism thing
55 Post contains images AndesSMF : But they killed less people in far more time. They did not expand from their original sphere of influence. You could ask the Irish if they were a big
56 PanAmOldDC8 : Although I disagree with a lot of your postings I have to agree with you here. I think that the media has pushed the terrorist thing to the limit (it
57 Padraighaz : I think we're going in circles now and that we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I'm not sure there are clear cut answers in this area so d
58 Post contains links Baroque : Hopefully not. They may have trained in Libya and bought arms from the Chinese (as well as other sources) but most of the money came from the US, unt
59 Padraighaz : Exactly, and it's a hell of a lot cheaper!
60 Cairo : I don't doubt that this idea has somewhere been attributed to al-Qaeda. However, this is purely extremist talk that obviously no one with reasonable
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