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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4299 posts, RR: 12
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1205 times:

So, just a couple of hours ago the pools for the world's oldest international football tournament were selected in the ceremony held in Caracas, Venezuela, host nation of the event that gathers the 12 best football teams in the New World.

With Hugo Chavez among the guests of honor, this is how the groups settled:

Pool A:

Venezuela (Host; group leader)
Peru
Uruguay
Bolivia

(as usual, the host nation got in theory the easiest group)

Pool B:

Brazil (group leader)
Ecuador
Mexico
Chile

(certainly the 'Group of Death')

Pool C:

Argentina (group leader)
Colombia
United States
Paraguay

Here is the fixture:

26-jun-07:
Venezuela - Bolivia (San Cristobal)
Uruguay - Perú (Merida)

27-jun-07:
Ecuador - Chile (Puerto Ordaz)
Brazil - Mexico (Puerto Ordaz)

28-jun-07:
Paraguay - Colombia (Maracaibo)
Argentina - United States (Maracaibo)


30-jun-07:
Bolivia - Uruguay (San Cristobal)
Venezuela - Peru (San Cristobal)

1-jul-07:
Mexico - Ecuador (Maturín)
Brazil - Chile (Maturín)

2-jul-07:
United States - Paraguay (Barinas)
Argentina - Colombia (Maracaibo)


3-jul-07:
Peru - Bolivia (Merida)
Venezuela- Uruguay (Merida)

4-jul-07:
Mexico - Chile (Puerto La Cruz)
Brazil- Ecuador (Puerto La Cruz)

5-jul-07:
Colombia - United States (Barquisimento)
Argentina - Paraguay (Barquisimento)


So what do people think about which will be the 1st round matches to watch, and who will make it to the best of 8?

First two in each pool and the two best 3rd spots get through!


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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1193 times:

Quoting Derico (Thread starter):

who will make it:
Pool1

Uruguay
Venezuela/Peru

Pool2
Brazil
Mexico
Ecuador
Pool3
Argentina
Paraguay
Colombia

Vamos vamos, Argentina, vamos vamos, a ganar !!!!

[Edited 2007-02-15 20:04:14]


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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1193 times:

Quoting Derico (Thread starter):

who will make it:
Pool1

Uruguay
Venezuela/Peru

Pool2
Brazil
Mexico
Ecuador
Pool3
Argentina
Paraguay
Colombia

Vamos vamos, Argentina, vamos vamos, a ganar !!!!

[Edited 2007-02-15 20:04:03]


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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3146 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1183 times:

Quoting Derico (Thread starter):
5-jul-07:
Colombia - United States (Barquisimento)
Argentina - Paraguay (Barquisimento)

Isn't it Barquisimeto?  Confused



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1179 times:

My predictions:

Quoting Derico (Thread starter):
Pool A:

Venezuela (Host; group leader)
Bolivia

And I wouldn't be surprised if there was some foul play involved, and I mean the kind of foul play that would give Venezuela and Bolivia an unfair advantage.

Quoting Derico (Thread starter):
Pool B:

Brazil (group leader)
Ecuador
Mexico



Quoting Derico (Thread starter):
Pool C:

Argentina (group leader)
United States
Paraguay

Curious though, I thought the Copa América was not a tournament exclusive to the COMNEBOL (with the exception of Mexico and the US). But then again, since they're playing the UNCAF tournament in SAL at the moment, it wouldn't make sense for a few Central American teams to travel between tournaments.


User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1175 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 4):
Curious though, I thought the Copa América was not a tournament exclusive to the COMNEBOL (with the exception of Mexico and the US). But then again, since they're playing the UNCAF tournament in SAL at the moment, it wouldn't make sense for a few Central American teams to travel between tournaments.

UNCAF is just a tournament which decides which cetral american teams go to the gold cup.
The two best teams of the CONCACAF gold cup are qualified for the copa Ameica. This copa américa is not to be held before this summer sop even if there was a central american team qualified, they would have been able to do both UNCAF and Copa américa

Regards
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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1173 times:

I see. Thanks for the explanation, Braulio.

User currently offlinePipo777 From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 188 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1166 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 3):
Isn't it Barquisimeto?

That is correct...


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4299 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1154 times:

There is the likelyhood that for Argentina 2011 (yay!), there will be three groups of 5 or four groups of four.

Thus three or four more teams will be able to participate, of those most likely from Central America of course (Costa Rica, Panama, Guatemala and Honduras), and if four teams are added probably Canada or El Salvador.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1149 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 8):
There is the likelyhood that for Argentina 2011 (yay!), there will be three groups of 5 or four groups of four.

Thus three or four more teams will be able to participate, of those most likely from Central America of course (Costa Rica, Panama, Guatemala and Honduras), and if four teams are added probably Canada or El Salvador.

Good to know. However, and this is slightly OT, I wonder what team will be invited to the Gold Cup this year. They usually invite another team either from South America, Asia or Africa, but I hope that one day a UEFA team will participate in the Gold Cup.

BTW: I hope Argentina will make a bid for the 2014 World Cup. I'd love to see an Argentina vs Germany match in the Estadio Monumental in Buenos Aires.  Wink


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4299 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1146 times:

I would also like to see Argentina score 4 goals to Germany while shutting them out,  Smile

The problem is that Argentina has already pledged to support Brazil and it's candidacy for 2014. But for various reasons Blatter has time and again brought of the possibility of Argentina if Brazil cannot organize the World Cup.

Everything being equal, it is stupid to think that Brazil can't organize a World Cup, but FIFA has been concerned about the lack of progress. The problem is that literally, Brazil has not one stadium today that is actually FIFA certified. Most stadiums in Brazil are from the 50s or before, they really need to build stadiums from scratch. There is also the crime concern that some bring up.

Argentina in fact has the best stadiums in South America currently (but probably Venezuela will by June), because many are being modernized with private or public funds, and some new stadiums are comming up (Brazil needs massive improvements, Chile has a model economy but sports facilities aren't particularly nice), and most other countries are just too small, frankly, to host a World Cup given how much it's grown (Colombia and Venezuela maybe, but very hard because of politics or warfare).

So that is a big reason Blatter keeps bringing Argentina up, also because of the huge developments in motorways and high-speed trains in the country which should give a leap to infraestructure, and the much lower crime in Argentina (don't tell argentines though that Argentina is safe compared to much of the rest of the world!).

Interestingly, Colombia has been really pushing for 2014. Not many outside South America have taken notice, but it has been a noteworthy development. Salu2



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1139 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 10):
I would also like to see Argentina score 4 goals to Germany while shutting them out

You wish. Big grin I hope you do agree with me, an Argentina vs Germany final in the Estadio Monumental could become a legendary, or even a monumental game given the setting and the history between our teams.  Wink

Quoting Derico (Reply 10):
The problem is that Argentina has already pledged to support Brazil and it's candidacy for 2014. But for various reasons Blatter has time and again brought of the possibility of Argentina if Brazil cannot organize the World Cup.

Personally, I also have my doubts about Brazil organising it from what I heard. But let's see how it goes. Right now, there's still the possibility of the 2010 World Cup being moved to the US, if South Africa doesn't get its preparations in motion in time. For now, I expect Argentina to win this Copa América.  thumbsup 


User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1122 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 10):

The problem is that Argentina has already pledged to support Brazil and it's candidacy for 2014. But for various reasons Blatter has time and again brought of the possibility of Argentina if Brazil cannot organize the World Cu

World cup are given according to a rotation system. It has been discussed that by 2030 the World cup ill go back to south america and that it will be held in Uruguay to ceelbrate the 100th anniversary of a world Cup. however, times change and Uruguay can no longer organize a tournament by itself so it might organize it with Argentina.

For the 2014 I think its logical if Brazil get it but I would prefer to see Argentina/Chile !

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 11):
Right now, there's still the possibility of the 2010 World Cup being moved to the US, if South Africa doesn't get its preparations in

Well decision should be amde quickly. 3 years to organise a WC isn't that much. Plus US have hosted it only 13 years ago si it would be nice to see it elsewhere if SA is not ready! But I hope they will, come on South Africa

[Edited 2007-02-17 13:20:33]


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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4299 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1113 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 12):
World cup are given according to a rotation system. It has been discussed that by 2030 the World cup ill go back to south america and that it will be held in Uruguay to ceelbrate the 100th anniversary of a world Cup. however, times change and Uruguay can no longer organize a tournament by itself so it might organize it with Argentina.

For the 2014 I think its logical if Brazil get it but I would prefer to see Argentina/Chile !

Yes, I know this is heresy coming from someone in Argentina, but Brazil has to have 2014. Brazil has the resources to make it, it's just a matter of organization really. It is that aspect in which Brazil seems to falter always (not that Argentina is that great either, but yeah). Chile has already said they can't, or won't, and they really don't have the stadiums right now, even Chileans will tell you that.

Brazil hosted the Women's Basketball World Championship last year and FIBA (the governing body), was outright disgusted with the facilities and organizing. The next day, FIFA mentioned in passing Argentina should bid for 2014. So obviously how Brazil does in hosting other tournaments has an effect.

Rio will host the Pan-Am games this year. If they go well it will be a huge boost. If they go badly, I can honestly see FIFA openly talking about forcing either Argentina to bid (as crazy as that sounds), or moving the WC out of South America all together.

I also have thought about 2030, and I also have thought that if the WC returns to Uruguay, it must be alongside Argentina because Uruguay is just too small to host a WC nowadays. By that I'm not saying they wouldn't have the capability, but the budget would just bee too much for 3 million people to handle.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 11):
You wish. I hope you do agree with me, an Argentina vs Germany final in the Estadio Monumental could become a legendary, or even a monumental game given the setting and the history between our teams.

If it wasn't for a cheat sheet, we would have beaten those Italians and thrashed France in the finals last year. But Lehmann pulled a fast one...



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User currently offlinePU752 From Uruguay, joined Mar 2005, 584 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1087 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 12):
World cup are given according to a rotation system. It has been discussed that by 2030 the World cup ill go back to south america and that it will be held in Uruguay to ceelbrate the 100th anniversary of a world Cup. however, times change and Uruguay can no longer organize a tournament by itself so it might organize it with Argentina.

For the 2014 I think its logical if Brazil get it but I would prefer to see Argentina/Chile !

This is just a rumor, who knows what will happen in 23 years! what its true is that Brazil is the only one who can nowadays host a world cup, none Uruguay or Argentina could, thats why 2014 goes to Brazil definately.
And lets wait at least 20 yrs more to see if FIFA could give to Uruguay the 2030 world cup or not.


User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1073 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 13):
even Chileans will tell you that.

True, we don't, and in this super conservative country of ours, I don't see it happening in the next 10 years, although I think Santiago is the reoght place for hosting the first olympics in South America, but again, it's not going to happen...



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User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2570 posts, RR: 31
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1067 times:

Venezuela got the "easy" group. None of those teams has been able to beat Venezuela in the last 5 years other than Bolivia in La Paz back in Germany 2006's qualifiers.

I'm trying to get info regarding tickets. I'm planning on driving to Maracaibo to catch some games. Caracas's stadium simply sucks, I don't know how we managed to get at least 1 game.

Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis


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