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User currently offlineDeskflier From Sweden, joined Jan 2007, 537 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1517 times:

Here is a laugh and a concerned thought:

1. Enter Google
2. Type the title to this thread
3. Click the "I feel lucky"-button

My question is: Is the result a sign of French military prowess or a sign of the level of American history education?


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User currently offlineDc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2269 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1516 times:

Yeah...

It's a result of a mind that dislikes the French and that likes to joke around...

There was another one... I forget now though.


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5018 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1490 times:

It's done with a technique called 'google bombing': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_bomb

Quoting Dc9northwest (Reply 1):
There was another one...

Type 'miserable failure' into the Yahoo search engine, and pick the first link that comes up. Used to work on Google too, but no longer does. Today it links to a BBC article about the 'miserable failure' google bomb Big grin


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1469 times:

A similar thing would happen if you typed in "worst goaile on earth" (you have to misspell goalie in order for it work).
Big version: Width: 348 Height: 100 File size: 25kb


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3829 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1439 times:

Warterloo and Dien Bien Phu?

...and Camarón.

 Big grin

[Edited 2007-02-17 19:59:04]


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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8699 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1399 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 2):
It's done with a technique called 'google bombing': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_bomb

I thought they had taken care of those? Well, the ones about GWB are gone at least... do I smell something fishy?  duck   Wink



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User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1392 times:

I didn't know that the French ever had any military victories  Wink

User currently onlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1370 times:

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 6):
I didn't know that the French ever had any military victories

I think the Rainbow Warrior counts.

That was a nice bit of work.



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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2057 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1362 times:

I find it strange that everyone keeps linking the French to military defeat.... probably they didn't have any less or more of it than any other country.

It would be much more fitting to the Germans, wouldn't it? They haven't won a war since 1871, with some really spectacular defeats since then.



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User currently offlineMaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1362 times:

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 6):
I didn't know that the French ever had any military victories

I heard somewhere they won the French Revolution, but I'm not sure it's true....



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8699 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1359 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 7):
I think the Rainbow Warrior counts.

That was a nice bit of work.

NZ justice doesn't seem to agree though.

Quoting Rara (Reply 8):
I find it strange that everyone keeps linking the French to military defeat.... probably they didn't have any less or more of it than any other country.

I think it's because they see themselves as "La Grande Nation", which is a bit of a provocation to nationalists in the US who make up the largest part of the freedom fried movement.

Quoting MaidensGator (Reply 9):
I heard somewhere they won the French Revolution, but I'm not sure it's true....

You'll soon read that it was only because the opponents were also French.

[Edited 2007-02-17 21:14:07]


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User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1350 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 8):

It would be much more fitting to the Germans, wouldn't it? They haven't won a war since 1871, with some really spectacular defeats since then.

For both...


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1342 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 8):
I find it strange that everyone keeps linking the French to military defeat.... probably they didn't have any less or more of it than any other country.

Depends on which period of history you go through, really. Throughout the mediaeval period it's a story of rising French power, but for much of the time from then until the 20th century it's a tale of the frustration of French power, mainly by the British, whose control of the oceans constantly denied the undoubtedly powerful French ambitions. The only truly catatrophic defeat (i.e. affecting France's own independence) was in 1940.

It's a nice easy label of abuse to throw at the French, but realistically it's only the British who can properly do so - it was they, in their absolute determination to contain France*, who ensured France never gained an unchallenged hegemony at any point in their history.

And of course, is exactly why the British felt the recent winning of the Olympic Games to be so sweet, and so bitter for the French.

* I can go into long detail on this. The central point is that only France until the modern era ever had the opportunity of challenging British supremacy. Power on land (countries like Prussia for example) was meaningless in the global sense, power on the seas was the important issue.



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User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1255 times:

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 6):
I didn't know that the French ever had any military victories

Not much, besides Charles Martel and Napoleon Bonaparte.

-R


User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2057 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1207 times:

If you look at it like that, most every significant Western power had its "golden age" and toyed with dominance at some point in time.

The Greeks did with Alexander the Great.

The Italians did with the Roman Empire.

I'll leave out the Franks..

Habsburg/Spain dominated the 15th century, and until the fall of the Armada its power was not in question on the seas.

During their Golden Age in the 17th century, the Dutch had the richest and economically most powerful country.

France in the age of absolutism and a bit later, with Napoleon Bonaparte.

In the 19th century, Britannia ruled (not only) the waves.

The Germans...well, yeah.

And finally, for the last 50 years at least, the Americans had their stab at being the most powerful country of the world.


If one thing can be learned from this, then it's as soon as one European country becomes too powerful and threatens to assume dominance, the others will rise and pull it back again.

I guess this is what makes Europe different from other areas of the world, like East Asia, where China has been unchallenged for 2000 years.



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1202 times:

French Armed Forces:





User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1193 times:

Quoting Dc9northwest (Reply 1):
There was another one... I forget now though.

type in "weapons of mass destruction" and hit I'm Feeling Lucky.

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 15):
French Armed Forces:

Ahh... so that's the new eurofighter.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21418 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1172 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 12):
And of course, is exactly why the British felt the recent winning of the Olympic Games to be so sweet, and so bitter for the French.

Wait - Britain actually won anything at the Olympics...?  angel 

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 16):
Ahh... so that's the new eurofighter.

No... the configuration is all wrong. Looks more like the entire F-22 fleet the US airforce can afford after the Iraq bills have been paid...!  mischievous 


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8699 posts, RR: 43
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1164 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 15):
French Armed Forces:

Funny that someone from Poland would joke about anyone else's military...  duck 



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3829 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1145 times:

"Funny that someone from Poland would joke about anyone else's military..."

For that comment you shall be shot in a Polish firing squad...in elephant costume.




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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1110 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 14):
Habsburg/Spain dominated the 15th century, and until the fall of the Armada its power was not in question on the seas.

The unfortunate position for Spain as the 16th century progressed was the trading importance of Flanders. Through successive pissing off of the major European powers (particularly France and Spain) because of its tacit encouragement of piracy, England found itself alone, vulnerable and liable to invasion. It was at this point in the early Elizabethan era that the English recognised that their survival was dependent on naval power, and the need for dominance of the local seas became critical. By a happy accident, England was located directly on the trade routes from France and Spain up to Flanders and beyond to the Baltic. The reason Spanish vulnerability became clear was because of the English location right on the crux of those routes; without high seas supremacy (not just superiority) they were hamstrung.

It was a lesson the English, and later the British, never forgot, and laid the groundwork for the rise in British power through the succeeding centuries. Unfortunately for them, it was a lesson not lost on the Dutch either, and that is why through the seventeenth and first part of the eighteenth century, the Dutch became the leading martitime power, until the British finally displaced them.

Quoting Rara (Reply 14):
and a bit later, with Napoleon Bonaparte.

No, never. This is the problem that arises through lack of correctly weighting the importance of command of the seas. It is all too easy to look at French power in the Napoleonic era and view them as dominant, but they never were. The supreme power on land in Europe, yes, but British sea power meant that France was always in a defensive position in world terms. Although Napoleon had his grand schemes for invasion of Britain, it was never a starter, because the naval blockade of France always prevented the unification of French fleets divided between the northern seas and the bases in the Mediterranean. Hindsight always changes the perspective, and the concern over Napoleon was absolutely genuine at the time, but in truth, he never had the remotest chance of becoming the supreme global power so long as the Royal Navy was dominant.



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