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XM And Sirius To Merge  
User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2528 posts, RR: 5
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1701 times:

Breaking news on ABC-News... More to come soon, but certainly interesting news (albeit not surprising)

Hopefully as an XM subscriber I'll get the benefits of both companies without much trouble in the merger

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User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=2887179

Quote:
The merger would require regulatory approval as well as anti-trust scrutiny. FCC Chairmen Kevin Martin reportedly said last month that a merger could not be approved under current FCC regulations.


User currently offlineZANL188 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 3586 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1664 times:
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Whatever they do I should hope they'd work it out so the present subscribers don't have to buy new equipment. I'm holding out on the purchase of a new receiver at the moment for this very reason.


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User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 2):
I'm holding out on the purchase of a new receiver at the moment for this very reason.

And I as well. Though I was guessing one of the two companies would fold. Wasn't expecting a merger.


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1654 times:

No, sir. I don't like it.



Mark


User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1644 times:

Quote:
ABC News has learned the plan calls for Sirius CEO Mel Karamzen to run the new company.

WTF? Most of the people at XM HATE Mel.



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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1637 times:

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 5):
WTF? Most of the people at XM HATE Mel.

Maybe thats because Mel has been leading Sirius on a charge past XM, while XM has been floundering comparitively.

[Edited 2007-02-19 20:39:12]

User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11793 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1634 times:

I have XM and I had Sirius for a while. I like XM much more. I know it would create a monopoly, but, honestly, it is a subscription service. I don't see a huge problem other than they can jack up the prices. That would suck, but with new digital bands being opened on FM, sattelite has to be competitive some how.

GO CANUCKS!!



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1627 times:

I'd consider going satellite radio now...part of my issue was the split between sports...half are on XM, the other half Sirius. Couldn't justify picking one over the other. This makes me quite happy...all sports in one place.

User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1627 times:

What, next thing you know, UA and BA will be merging.


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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

Ok, as to it being a Monopoly: Who really cares? It's a subscription service that doesn't offer anything exclusive other then entertainment. Any news value can be gotten elsewhere. While I'm sure the specualtion is in the service will jack up the rates and they might very well do so, how much can they jack up the rates before people start leaving them in droves and putting themselves out of business?

User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

Quoting KROC (Reply 6):
Maybe thats because Mel has been leading Sirius on a charge past XM, while XM has been floundering comparitively.

Actually it's because they have worked for Mel at one point or another during their career, and wouldn't want to do it again. I hear resumes being printed up in DC now.



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User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1616 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 8):

I agree. I chose Sirius for the NFL, NHL and NASCAR deal, as well as Howard Stern, however, the fact that I should be getting MLB soon is just amazing news, I'm really hoping that the price stays the same, and that the equipment does not change, as I just bought a new Sportster 3 reciever.


User currently offlineBeefstew25 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1610 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 4):
No, sir. I don't like it.



Mark

So if Dish and Direct merges that also would be a monopoly? No sir. Cable.

Free radio is and will always be satty radio's main competition.



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User currently offlineAAce24 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 849 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1598 times:

I have XM and was thinking of switiching to Sirius anyways. Sirius has all the good sports now.

XM has nothing anymore....


User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1596 times:

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 12):
and that the equipment does not change, as I just bought a new Sportster 3 reciever.

At some point that may have to happen. There are clauses in the FCC frequency allocations that say if a merger were to happen, one of the companies would have to give up their license. Since neither company uses the same frequency range (XM 2,332.50 through 2,345.00 MHz, and Sirius, 2,320.00 through 2,332.50 MHz) they will have to determine which band they are going to use. They will have to consider satellite coverage - XM has, or will have 4 in a stationary orbit, and Sirius has 3 in a different orbit. Sirius also has limited repeater coverage, which has produced numerous complaints in some areas. I would think the XM equipment wins out on this part.

What's really interesting is that they are using Sirius's penny stock to fund the merger. Can't wait for the stockholder votes, I'm pretty sure that's where it ends.



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1584 times:

Quoting Beefstew25 (Reply 13):
So if Dish and Direct merges that also would be a monopoly?

It wouldn't be in the best interest of those without access to over-the-air and cable service.

Mark


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1576 times:

One thing to reference in regards to the monopoly issue. A few years back, DirecTV and Dish Network tried to merge but the merger was blocked because the combined companies would have a monopoly (Both companies had over the previous year, picked up their smaller competitor).

As the regulations are currently written, the two companies cannot merge without one of the companies having to give up their SDARS license. But like many regulations, this can be rewritten at the whim of the agency that issued it. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Clear Channel or CBS Radio comes into play and buys one of the SDARS license.

One thing I'll like about this merger is the fact that I won't lose the NHL, and honestly, XM has done a much better job with the games than Sirius (Although their daily show, NHL Live is excellent.).

Here's are my questions about what will happen if the two companies do actually merge:

1. Equipment. Whose standard is going to be the one that will be retained? Will the subscribers who have the other equipment be left out in the cold or will they continue to supply programming to those with that type of receiver until a set date? At least with the head units, you can just get the brain you need. Everything else would still be up in the air.

2. Programming. What gets the ax, and what stays? Since both companies offer very similar music channels, I would guess those channels would merge. The real action is between Martha Stewart and Oprah and between Howard Stern & Company and O & A and Company. I wouldn't be surprised if O & A packed up and left since they do have the terrestrial stations their show is on.

3. Subscription rates. How much will rates go up as a result?

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 15):
They will have to consider satellite coverage - XM has, or will have 4 in a stationary orbit, and Sirius has 3 in a different orbit. Sirius also has limited repeater coverage, which has produced numerous complaints in some areas. I would think the XM equipment wins out on this part.

XM filed an interesting patent recently with the US Patent Office:
http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/xm...eosynchronous-satellite-orbit.html

For those of us with Sirius, the orbit looks familiar.....

[Edited 2007-02-19 21:48:23]

User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

Quoting AAce24 (Reply 14):
XM has nothing anymore....



User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1530 times:

I have both XM and Sirius and I'm happy they announced the merger, it increases the audience and also makes it easier for car manufacturers to select what to offer. The industry is going to grow through new car sales that are equipped for satellite radio.

I hope they keep the name XM.



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User currently offlineB737-112 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 891 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

Many people have stated that the two companies will not run as a single service and offer 200+ channels. It is supposed to be a choice given to the consumer, do you want SIRIUS or XM, even though it's kind of one company.

User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1495 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 8):
I'd consider going satellite radio now...part of my issue was the split between sports...half are on XM, the other half Sirius. Couldn't justify picking one over the other. This makes me quite happy...all sports in one place.

I'm an XM subscriber, and this will be a dream come true. I prefer the music choices on XM, but Sirius has Howard, and with all sports on one channel, it will be outstanding.


User currently offlineAAce24 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 849 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1488 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 18):

As I was saying, XM has nothing good anymore.  Wink


User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1479 times:

The myth about monopoly is really not standing ground.

You have AM/FM radio, you have High Definition Radio, and there's internet. So I doubted the merger is a monopoly.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1457 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 23):
You have AM/FM radio, you have High Definition Radio, and there's internet. So I doubted the merger is a monopoly.

Three words for you: National Association of Broadcasters. They'd rather see both companies crawl off and die. They were quite quick to fire off a press release:
http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/na...-to-proposed-sirius/xm-merger.html

Here's the part that I find ironic:

Quote:
Given the government's history of opposing monopolies in all forms, NAB would be shocked if federal regulators permitted a merger of XM and Sirius. It bears mentioning that regulators summarily rejected a similar monopoly merger of the nation's only two satellite television companies -- DirecTV and DISH Network -- just a few years back.

A group full of quasi-monopolies trying to play the monopoly card. If they don't want a monopoly in radio, then Clear Channel, CBS Radio, Cumulus Broadcasting, Citadel Broadcasting, Cox Radio (Just to name a few) all need to start selling off stations. In Atlanta alone, Clear Channel owns 6 stations (5 FM, 1 AM).

Back in my college radio days in the early to mid 90s, I had respect for the NAB. Over the last year or so, that respect is down to practically nil.


25 Boston92 : Remember, XM used to be the ONLY sat radio and their was never any talks of monoplies then, so why would there be now?
26 Go3Team : XM was the first to go live. Both companies have been around in one incarnation or another for the same amount of time. When you only have 1 company
27 Srbmod : Not true. XM received their SDARS license at the same time CD Radio (Sirius) did. XM was the first to launch programming (Sept. 25, 2001 in San Diego
28 SW733 : I'm a loyal Sirius subscriber, I love it. This definitely worries me a little...the possible rise in price, the possible worthless Sirius equipment...
29 Georgetown : Go take a look at each company's shares outstanding - that should clear up for you why SIRI shares are being distributed. Also, shareholder approval
30 Srbmod : Mel was on Stern this morning for about an hour discussing the merger. Some of the points he brought up: 1. No new equipment would be needed as they w
31 JFK69 : Will Howard Cock Block Opie and Anthony again?
32 Srbmod : I have a feeling that if the merger happens, they'll have to decide whether they want to be on satellite or terrestrial. In retrospect, XM made a mis
33 CaptOveur : I have had both.. and presently I have XM (for baseball and a few other things) and my girlfriend has Sirius, because she likes the music, and oddly e
34 Srbmod : Other than my first antenna crapping out a few months after I got my first receiver (I blame my constant moving it between two vehicles), I've had ve
35 Gigneil : The reality is that XM is technologically superior, and their programming style is superior, but Sirius is a better managed company. A merger of the t
36 CaptOveur : If I mess with stuff in my girlfriend's car she gets all pissy.. She seriously doesn't seem to mind not being able to see out the windshield at night
37 Go3Team : There are a lot of duplicates. Clear Channel has a lot of programming on XM, and some others. Don't forget the all news networks such as CNN, Fox New
38 JFK69 : You get anExtra 3 hours of show and exclusive stuff on the XM part of the show
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