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100 Year Sentence For Rape GI  
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1691 times:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/22/ussoldier.rape.ap/index.html


Just wanted to make sure the nay-sayers and doubters saw this . . .

Not that I think for a millisecond it'll make a difference to most, but it's on the record.

100 years for the rape of that 14 year old Iraqi girl and the killing of her family.

I suspect there's a little crow to be eaten. . . I further suspect noone tosay, "Gee I was wrong".

Military Justice is a bitch. I certainly wouldn't want to look forward to a hundred years at Leavenworth . . .

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User currently offlineACFA From Canada, joined Feb 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

But eligible for parole in 10 years? Thats not right. He murdered an entire family!

I don't think that would happen in a civilian trial.

[Edited 2007-02-23 09:56:38]

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1658 times:

Quoting ACFA (Reply 1):
But eligible for parole in 10 years? Thats not right. He murdered an entire family!

Doubtful he'll get it.

That said: Don't they parole murders in Canada?

They damn sure do in Germany . . .

Quoting ACFA (Reply 1):
I don't think that would happen in a civilian trial.

Quite mistaken . . . .


User currently offlineDTManiac From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 689 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1647 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
They damn sure do in Germany . . .

Yes, we do that here in Germany. I think if you are convicted of murder and get a life long sentence you can apply for parole not earlier than after 15 years in prison. After that a court has to judge if you are eligible for it.



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User currently offlineACFA From Canada, joined Feb 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1639 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
That said: Don't they parole murders in Canada?

Yes, but not in 10 years. First degree murder life sentence without parole for 25 years. No parole at all if they are declared a dangerous offender.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

Quoting ACFA (Reply 4):
First degree murder life sentence without parole for 25 years

This guy wasn't the instigating asshole in the fray. Further, there's no distinction in the UCMJ for first, second, blah, blah, degree murder as there is in civil law. It's either murder or it's not.

He'll get his due.

And much more.

Still, I'd like to hear what all the nay-sayers that professed he (and his co-conspirators) would never be prosecuted have to say . . .

Strangely silent . . . as usual.


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1629 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
Strangely silent . . . as usual.

And you are surprised...?


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1626 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 6):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
Strangely silent . . . as usual.

And you are surprised...?

Not at all ,hence the thread . . . of course you already knew that . . . .  biggrin 


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1623 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
of course you already knew that . . . .

Pretty certain about that.  biggrin 


User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2734 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1603 times:

Enough with the kinky parlour games, name these cursed nay-sayers ... out them I say. Lay these bastards bare !


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User currently offlineTransWorldSTL From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1587 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
Still, I'd like to hear what all the nay-sayers that professed he (and his co-conspirators) would never be prosecuted have to say . . .

Strangely silent . . . as usual.

Maybe because it's the middle of the night in the US?


User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 39
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1584 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
Strangely silent . . . as usual.

i was going to post it wasn't harsh enough, knowing you and knowing your knowledge of the military i think his time will be hard than hell, frankly, he deserves to die for the rape of a defenseless child. possibility of parole after 10 years seems a little soft if you ask me, perhaps 30 years before parole consideration is more appropriate?! if that was your daughter would you be happy with the possibility of parole after 10 years?

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
This guy wasn't the instigating asshole in the fray.

he could've stood up and said STOP.

[Edited 2007-02-23 11:29:11]


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User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1572 times:

Quoting ACFA (Reply 1):
But eligible for parole in 10 years? Thats not right. He murdered an entire family!

I don't think that would happen in a civilian trial.

I can tell you this - In all the criminal trials I've been involved in, I have never seen anyone plead to multiple counts of murder, rape and conspiracy to rape and in return be given a sentence allowing any eligibility for parole, not to mention in just 10 years. Especially after being sentenced to serve a century in prison. I don't care what he agreed to do for the prosecution. It sounds to me like they (prosecutors) took the easy way out and instead of doing their job, they're relying on the testimony of a rapist and murderer to get a conviction for them . And in return, they're allowing the piece of shit the possibility to breathe free air in 10 years. He was an active participant in the brutal rape and murder of a 14 year old child and the murder of that child's mother, father, and sister. Whether he'll actually be paroled or not is a moot point. The fact that he will be eligible in 10 years is incomprehensible.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
That said: Don't they parole murders in Canada?

They damn sure do in Germany . . .

ANC, I can't believe my eyes. Are you actually trying to defend the decision to allow someone to be paroled in just 10 years who has brutally raped and murdered a child and participated in the murder of that child's entire family? Has your love of the military made you so blind that you cannot see what a travesty of justice this has been? Tell me, sir, would you be this "flip" about a rapist/murderer being allowed the chance of freedom if say the victims had been friends or loved ones? I sure as hell wouldn't. I'd be begging the sentencing judge to let me insert the needle - twice. Slowly. Yes my friend, murderers get paroled in Canada and Germany and in the United States but that doesn't legitimize this obvious travesty of justice.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1560 times:

Hell no, you know better, or you should.

The guy is a POS, he has disgraced himself, the military and this country . . . . he deserves the death penalty IMO.

. . . .

Without beating around a bush, of any sort, what I'm doing here, since it missed your obviously astute observation my friend, is pointing out to those that decreed the clown would get off that he did not. In fact, he got 100 years. With mitigations.

A few members here figured he'd just walk.

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 11):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
Strangely silent . . . as usual.

i was going to post it wasn't harsh enough

I agree, not harsh enough Monte.


User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5855 posts, RR: 39
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 13):
I agree, not harsh enough Monte.

and i'm firmly against the death penalty..if they were Australian i'd still call for them to be hanging at dawn no questions asked. I only learnt of this case yesterday and it really sickened me to say the least...to think people are capable of such behavior is frightening.

now i go drink beer at the pub on a 32C evening here in Perth.



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1540 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
They damn sure do in Germany . . .

Hold your horses, Sergeant Pepper. Yes, people serving life sentences can be paroled after 15 years or in some cases a longer time, as we've just witnessed in the cases of members of the former RAF. Their organisation doesn't exist anymore and left-wing extremist terrorism is inexistent, so they got paroles.

BUT: There is an option for judges to put people in custody for life, literally. It is called "particular severity of guilt" and if determined by the court, it will keep murderers in safe custody after their prison terms are served. With that measure in place, it is very mch possible to keep society safe from a detainee until he dies.



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User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1514 times:

If he does indeed rot in jail for the rest of his life... justice.

If he ever gets out, something isn't right.

Thom@s



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1489 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 13):
The guy is a POS, he has disgraced himself, the military and this country .

This is a given.

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 12):
And in return, they're allowing the piece of shit the possibility to breathe free air in 10 years.

After 10 years when this crime is all but forgotten who will be the wiser? Not the media or other watchdogs they will be on to something else, and also depending what the judge wrote in the case file, I would say its a pretty good chance he will be released after 10years. Is it right? No, but thats the way it works in real life.


User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1475 times:

Quoting ACFA (Reply 4):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
That said: Don't they parole murders in Canada?

Yes, but not in 10 years. First degree murder life sentence without parole for 25 years. No parole at all if they are declared a dangerous offender.

Or maybe they just get manslaughter and only serve 12 years. Karla Homolka.


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1470 times:

If military prisons are anything like civilian prisons this guy won't do well in prison. Child rapists are targeted in the general population and I would think that in a military prison he would be an even bigger target. I would be surprised if he lived ten years.

User currently offlineACFA From Canada, joined Feb 2007, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1469 times:

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 18):
Or maybe they just get manslaughter and only serve 12 years. Karla Homolka.

That still doesn't make 10 year parole eligibility in this case right!


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13115 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1467 times:

I wish the sentence of this soldier got a lot more publicity. It should be well publicised to the world to show that the USA's military, government and most of all it's citizens will not tolerate such obscene and inhuman behaviors by it's soldiers. It is unfortunate that when he enlisted that his problems as to sexual violence were not discovered so he could be rejected for the military. Beyond the acts of murder he and his fellow soldiers did, this soldiers act of Rape was one of violence, and especially horrible in Islamic culture. He is lucky he wasn't killed by the child's relatives or neighbors.
He was fairly tried under the UMCJ, which has high requirements as to the evidence, requires competent military law counsel and very sound procedures in and out of court. That he got a 100 year sentence suggests to me that he will never be paroled and will never get out of jail except to be buried when he dies.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1430 times:

The military judge hearing the case, Col. Stephen R. Henley, issued a sentence of life in prison without parole, the maximum for the charges. Under military law, the defendant is given the lesser sentence unless he violates terms of the plea agreement, which requires Cortez to testify against others charged in the case.

Hence, my reasoning why he will get out after 10 years, the 100 year sentence is nothing more than a incentive for him to testify against the others.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 21):
He was fairly tried under the UMCJ,

Since he pled guilty and will serve as a witness, I would suppose that this guy will serve his time in some sort of protective custody.


User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1397 times:

Quoting ACFA (Reply 20):
That still doesn't make 10 year parole eligibility in this case right!

Of course not, although I didn't think I needed to state the obvious.


User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10035 posts, RR: 26
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1368 times:
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Quoting AirCop (Reply 22):
The military judge hearing the case, Col. Stephen R. Henley, issued a sentence of life in prison without parole, the maximum for the charges. Under military law, the defendant is given the lesser sentence unless he violates terms of the plea agreement, which requires Cortez to testify against others charged in the case.

Hence, my reasoning why he will get out after 10 years, the 100 year sentence is nothing more than a incentive for him to testify against the others.

From what I heard on the radio this morning, he pled guilty in order to avoid the death sentence. Wouldn't that be the maximum for a charge of murder?



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25 PIA777 : 100 years is not enough. He deserves the same fate as his victims. PIA777
26 Padraighaz : Maybe they're afraid they'll be interpretted as engaging in america bashing and the thread will be locked?
27 ANCFlyer : Maybe they simply got their asses handed to them and don't have the where with all to acknowledge they were wrong.
28 UH60FtRucker : Water under the bridge. Don't be so bitter. -UH60
29 Padraighaz : Maybe. But should we now conclude that 'america bashing' merits censorship, but 'nay-sayer bashing' does not? Now I'm confused. What if there are pro
30 Post contains images Falcon84 : There's no one like here who frequents this board, ANC? Who on earth would do such a thing? No comment.
31 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Dead Horse. Yeah, what am I thinking . . .
32 YOWza : Let's put the shoe on the other foot. Let's say an American family living in Saudi Arabia is murdered and their 14 year old daughter is raped too. The
33 Rammstein : Nice sentence, but Anyway, let's hope that he will not be out after 10 years, it would be a joke.
34 L-188 : Guys you ever consider the joke is that he thinks he might get paroled in 10 years? Seriously though, A 100 year prison sentence isn't a joke, and th
35 Aloges : At the risk of being flamed for the question (not by you though), would you feel the same if it was about a terrorist caught red-handed?
36 L-188 : The point I am trying to make is that it probably isn't inappropriate for somebody who pleads to get a chance at parole at 10 years, while somebody t
37 Itsjustme : Some advantages, yes, in some cases. And typically, when you have a case involving rape of a child and multiple counts of murder, the plea is to avoi
38 YOWza : Aren't they all dead?
39 QANTAS077 : they shot the family dead after raping the 14 y/o, then shot her dead...still think it's worthy of parole after 10 years?
40 MCOflyer : I hope he does stay in for a long time. He deserves it. Better yet hang him sadamm style. MCOflyer
41 Baroque : There could be a range of reasons. Such as waiting to see what the various trials in relation to Abu Graib turn up. Waiting for an explanation for th
42 ANCFlyer : You miss the point here Baroque. The bottom line, when this rape and murder came to light, the number of posters here condemning the act was from all
43 Baroque : I think you, rightly, suspect that American justice is on trial. However, one swallow does not a summer make and all that. Had you not waved a flag a
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