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Virgin Train Derails In Lake District  
User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 2548 times:

New breaking right now, a Virgin train has derailed between Oxenholme and Tebay "rolled over on its side, down an embankment".

At the moment -- not totally sure what the situation is regarding injuries

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6391633.stm

Presumably the electric units.

Sky News is suggesting there was an obstacle on the line which caused the derailment

Thanks
Alex

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User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 2545 times:

That could be bad, keep us updated

User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 2540 times:

"Witnesses said the train derailed before sliding down an embankment"

No shit. Like a train ever slides down an embankment without derailing first.

Mark


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 2533 times:

This is so scary for me personally, as I was on 2 Virgin Trains today, the second arrived at Euston at 1730 so I can just picture it all so well.

This would have been a high speed Pendolino/Voyager train.

VT are IMO the best ride/comfort/service one can get in the UK.


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 3):
VT are IMO the best ride/comfort/service one can get in the UK

Well i hope everythings ok, but thats a load of shite.

GNER is comfier, has nicer food, better trains and just nicer staff. They're like the BA of trains


User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 4):
GNER is comfier, has nicer food, better trains and just nicer staff. They're like the BA of trains

Lets leave off the anti-Virgin trains for now - peoples lives could be in danger right now.

I am assuming these are the over head electric pendolino trains - no risk of a diesel fire in that case?

Sky News has no more info than has been given already

Fingers crossed it turns out ok.

I'll keep information in this post as it comes available

Thannks
Alex


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

BBC are saying that carriages are up in air and on sides, this could be pretty bad folks

User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6331 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

Sky News saying 6 to 8 are trapped in the carriage.

I hope it turns out ok!


User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

Breaking news from Sky:

between 6 and 12 people trapped in the carriage.

6 car EMU

2nd and 3rd carriage "in the air"

3 RAF helicopters scrambled and en route. up to 10 ambulances at site already.

Fingers crossed its ok.


Alex


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 2470 times:

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 5):

Sorry, hope all onboard are ok


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 2457 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 4):
Well i hope everythings ok, but thats a load of shite.

It was an opinion, not a stated fact.

To confirm, this was VT6 and is a Pendolino "tilting" train


User currently offline9V From China, joined Aug 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

The casualties range from walking wounded to broken legs and head injuries.

An eyewitness said there was a loud bang and the train lurched violently to one side.

Cumbria Fire Service said it has five pumps currently at the scene.

Three RAF Helicopters are also involved in the rescue operation.

Michael Mulford from RAF Kinloss Emergency Centre said it was a "major incident" and a mountain rescue team that was exercise nearby is also helping.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11638 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

It's a Virgin Pendolino involved, they have a total of 8 or possibly 9 carriages. Certainly the absence of flammable fuel will have been a saving grace in this incident, hopefully there are no life threatening injuries or deaths amongst those onboard.

Dan Smile



...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
User currently offlineSQNo1 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 2421 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 12):
It's a Virgin Pendolino involved, they have a total of 8 or possibly 9 carriages. Certainly the absence of flammable fuel will have been a saving grace in this incident, hopefully there are no life threatening injuries or deaths amongst those onboard.

It will be 9 carriages, as far as I know virgin completed the prgramme to fit the extra carriage quite a while back. Apparently it was the 17:15 service form London Euston To Glasgow Central.

Let's hope this is not the first fatal rail accident since the tragic events at Upton Nervet, Berkshire over two years ago.

Quoting BA787 (Reply 4):
GNER is comfier, has nicer food, better trains and just nicer staff. They're like the BA of trains



Quoting BA787 (Reply 4):
Well i hope everythings ok, but thats a load of shite.

 Yeah sure I'm afraid to say that was the wrong time and the wrong place to say that, people could have lost their lives in this incident.

With Regards,
Alex.B


User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 2417 times:

Heya,

This is a bad thing to happen. I just checked the arrival board for Glasgow Central and the VT6 shows as this:

Quote:

2154 arrival at Glasgow Central from London Euston
Virgin Trains
Expected to arrive Glasgow Central at 2149.
We were expecting the monitoring point between Oxenholme Lake District and Penrith to report on this train at 2018. This report has not been received.

I hope it is only injuries and nothing more searious. I think more news is just getting out now.

Mike


User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 2417 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 12):
they have a total of 8 or possibly 9 carriages

6 car EMU according to Sky and BBC, although every pendo i've been on has had 8 carriages. Must of been a relatively packed rush hour train here
Thanks
Alex


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11638 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 20 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 15):
6 car EMU according to Sky and BBC, although every pendo i've been on has had 8 carriages. Must of been a relatively packed rush hour train here

The BBC had 9 carriages on the site, but have changed it again to just say Pendalino. If it's a Virgin train out of Euston, bound for Scotland then it is quite correctly going to be a Pendolino and will therefore have 9 carriages not 6, thanks SQNo1 for the update on that, I wasn't sure if they had fitted all of their trains with the extra one yet.

Once again, hope all is well for everybody involved.


Dan Smile



...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 20 hours ago) and read 2385 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 16):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6391633.stm

A passenger on the train has phoned the BBC and is giving a recollection of what happened
Thanks
Alex


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 20 hours ago) and read 2386 times:

Quoting SQNo1 (Reply 13):
I'm afraid to say that was the wrong time and the wrong place to say that, people could have lost their lives in this incident.

Something which I did not know at the time, and something which I pointed out at the start of the post


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 20 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

Emergency services say there are "numerous" injuries in the Cumbria train derailment

User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 20 hours ago) and read 2361 times:

From VT Website; not much info made clear.


Virgin Trains can confirm that there has been an incident this evening between Oxenholme and Penrith involving the 1715 London Euston to Glasgow service and that emergency services are in attendance.

We will confirm further details as soon as they become available.


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 20 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

No deaths reported as yet, just a few people appear to be trapped. All nine carriages are on their sides

User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

1 Fatality now confirmed, very sad indeed  Sad

Glenn



http://www.glenneldridgeaviation.com
User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

One death and dozens "critically injured"

This is not good.

Thanks
Alex


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24924 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 16 hours ago) and read 2149 times:

This is very scary now...I do use this service when I go down to Preston/Manchester, I also know a lot of people that use this service...


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
25 ThePRGuy : My father and I use the Euston-Oxenholme service twice or so a month V scary Alex
26 Post contains links and images ThePRGuy : Blimey this is scary. I do the Euston-Oxenholme a few time a month. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/6391821.stm Thanks Alex
27 Post contains images BA787 : Shit, that looks bad. May the sole who lost their life rest in peace
28 Post contains images AirbusA346 : What bad news Has anything been said why this modern train derailed. Tom.
29 Post contains images BA787 : The fatality was an 85 year old woman. The train was a Virgin Pendolino, which was travelling at ninety-five miles an hour. Witnesses heard a loud ban
30 EWS : Sad News indeed.. Looking at the photographs and such on the BBC website, im actually suprised that people have been as lucky as they have with this,
31 ThePRGuy : Apparently the train lurched upwards, then side to side. I'm not one to speculate but it brings back memories of the tragic german ICE disaster. And
32 777236ER : Well done to Alstom for having enough crashworthiness to limit the deaths to only one in a derailment at 95 mph in a hilly area.
33 Post contains images Myt332 : To me this is all pretty horrific. As quite a few of you have seen, my back garden backs right on to the West Coast Mainline so seeing something so fa
34 777236ER : Two friends of mine work for Bombardier in the UK, and do quite a lot on train crashworthiness. The dynamics of train crashes are complicated, general
35 PlymSpotter : Indeed the 390's are very nice trains; excellent ride comfort and obviously from their reaction in this crash, well built too. Most injuries will hav
36 BA787 : Yeah, I always have noticed the Voyagers seem a bit flimsier. The Pendolino must be built like a brick, thank god it is
37 Shamrock_747 : Personally I have never been keen on the Pendolino, mainly due petty old-fashioned trainspotter preferences. However I can't deny that this incident h
38 Legoguy : Like others, Im amazed there only been one death and 8 serious injuries... and even this one death (the elderly woman, RIP) was a result of shock on h
39 FlyingColours : Should be just the one, however I think they actually change drivers at several intervals en-route (as each driver knows only so much of the route).
40 Post contains images SQno1 : Just looking at some of these comments on the BBC "have your say" section and I must say that some clearly live in a world, an incorrect one which sug
41 BA787 : Ive always thought the same with buses too. It seems coaches feel its sufficient so why not buses
42 Post contains images PlymSpotter : I'm for seat-belts in principle, but really they are not going to be feasible, and when you actually look at the practicalities it just wouldn't work.
43 Post contains images WestJetYQQ : There is always a first time for everything!
44 Post contains images PlymSpotter : ...anything is possible
45 Andz : Hardly a recommendation.
46 777236ER : Seat belts on trains aren't particularly useful. In most train crashes (this one included) the decelerations are quite low. The majority of deaths in
47 Mhodgson : Amazed at how well the train held up, full credit to Alstom! The media circus is ridiculous - the BBC have your say is testament to that! And all the
48 OzGlobal : Railways, like most essential public infrastructure, are not well suited to privatization. It amazes me still that in US, UK, Oz, etc, it is apparent
49 Post contains images BA787 : Beg to differ lol . Best service, best people, best cabins, best airline, Period. Well I think they are
50 Myt332 : It genuinely isn't, I can assure you. Whilst you have some valid points you can't say the whole of the network is a death trap.
51 Post contains images BA787 : Thats like saying America has a dangerous air industry because of TWA800, its bullshit
52 Post contains images SQNo1 : I personally don't appreciate you putting my username under something that was said by a person for which I quoted from the BBC website.
53 Gkirk : Pendolinos are very safe. The rail tracks need to be sorted.
54 Swiftski : Forgive my ignorance, but why does the driver "deserve a medal" [BBC News 24] for "staying in the cabin"? Although this was a tragic event, which I ha
55 Mhodgson : He could have moved from his cabin through a door to the main seating area of the carriage - the cab acts as a crumple zone I believe, while behind i
56 Bongodog1964 : The "hero" comments were made by Richard Branson, but a Virgin spokesman later admitted that they were basically rubbish. The simnple facts are that
57 Post contains images BMIFlyer : Quite a horrific event, IMO. The train was manned by Glasgow based crews. Only the driver was hurt, out of the staff on board. Depending on the seriou
58 777236ER : Yes, but one of the biggest benefits of electric trains is that there is little chance of a fire. If this crash involved a Voyager, Super Voyager, Me
59 BMIFlyer : Certainly, I wasn't discounting that. Lee
60 Bongodog1964 : Please don't dramatise the situation. The driver was doing his job, just as many other workers do theirs day in day out. Train travel is safer than r
61 OzGlobal : I stand by my comment. Check the rate of deaths per km travelled on UK rail in the last 20years versus countries who have invested in their rail netw
62 Post contains images OzGlobal : I put your name nowhere. I quoted text you supplied and the a.net software, as you well understand, put your id above it. Get over yourself or take i
63 Andz : Sky News is reporting that a stretcher bar and various nuts and bolts were missing from the points. I'm no railwayman but as far as I know this bar ho
64 Post contains images PlymSpotter : The way it looked, it appeared you were responding to something which was his comment. In such a situation it would have been polite for you to have
65 Jamman : Well he did say a hero to people in the train industry, lets give him a break, too much jumpy jumpy on these forums..
66 RichardPrice : Thats interesting, because every train I have travelled on from Bristol to Paddington in the last 10 or so years has had ATP, and displayed notices t
67 Post contains links and images BMIFlyer : Dramatise my ass    Correct, to traincrew like myself, he certainly is.   Anyway, the interim report into the accident has been released, and conf
68 Bongodog1964 : You infer that working on the railway is particularly dangerous; its no more dangerous than most non office based jobs.
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