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How To Deal With Nazis?  
User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

A few days ago I noticed a flyer on the pinboard of the local supermarket, which calls for a protest march this saturday against the ultranationalistic NPD party, which officially pays lip service to the constitutions, but inofficially supports the goals of Hitler's banned NSDAP (definition of German citizenship based on race, racist ideology, anti-democratic, goal is to abolish the constitution and democracy to reinstall a Nazi dictatorship). While the NPD acts as the legal voice pipe of the ultra rightwing fringe (though not enough legal evidence valid in court, mostly intelligence sources) , it is closely connected with illegal ultra-rightwing and white supremacist racist organisations worldwide.
According to this flyer, which was posted by several organisations, ranging from moderate conservative through centrist to leftwing organisations, the NPD has bought a former school building in a village nearby and is using it as an ideological cadre school.

Now one thing is that the presence of such an institution will give a village, city or county a bad name, also such a place will attract people like Nazi skinheads. The thugs will then often try to intimidate people in the neighbourhood, who don't fit their narrowminded image of being true Germans.

Another thing is that apparently owners of property are threatening to sell their house to Nazi groups, so that the local conciol or local citizens will buy the lot at inflated prices just to keep the Nazis out of town. Also the NPD itself uses these measures to earn money.

Whatever happens, this saturday I will be on the march. These criminal bastards ruined Germany once. No way will they get back to power again.

Jan

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User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3527 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2948 times:

Tear down the propaganda.


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User currently offlineAAce24 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 849 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2941 times:

How to deal with Nazis?



User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7957 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2902 times:

Aren't we planning a moon mission? I know it's supposed to be unmanned, but I guess we could squeeze some Nazis into the capsule and let it crash on the dark side of the moon.

Seriously: Poke fun at them, give the youth something to do - clubs, projects, travel -, use every chance to publish articles on the hypocrisy of those wannabe leaders and monitor every move they make.

Quoting AAce24 (Reply 2):

If they're threatening me, that would be an option. Then again, I would would rather rely on a H&K or Sig Sauer: "Look dickhead, I got an 'arian' gun ..."  Wink



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2885 times:

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 3):
Quoting AAce24 (Reply 2):


If they're threatening me, that would be an option. Then again, I would would rather rely on a H&K or Sig Sauer: "Look dickhead, I got an 'arian' gun ..."

I'd rather say: "If you want to repeat the Weimar Republic, we'll repeat WW2!"

Jan


User currently offlineWSOY From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

Next time in your elections, vote, and tell others to vote as well, for a party that actually does something to improve the social conditions of the worse off. They are the fuel behind the extremist movements everywhere.

User currently onlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3771 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 3):
"Look dickhead, I got an 'arian' gun ..."

Seriously, that is one of the funnies thing I've heard this year!  rotfl 

Cheers
Mats



Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
User currently offlineZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Thread starter):
How To Deal With Nazis?

See "Blues Brothers" for detailed instructions. Big grin

Seriously, show them that they are not welcome in our country. A stable democracy should be able to cope with a certain number of dickheads, no matter what senseless ideology they chose to transport their arrogance and stupidity.

Problem is that I start to doubt if our democracy is really stable. And that is when such weirdos become dangerous.


User currently offlineDTManiac From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 689 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2727 times:

Put these idiots in an arena together with the left wing idiots from my university, sell 50k tickets and let 'em beat the crap outta each other. Last man standing! It will be interesting to see which is better: Baseball bats and Molotow Cocktails against massive bricks.


Gig 'em Aggies!!!
User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9376 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

Quoting DTManiac (Reply 10):
Put these idiots in an arena together with the left wing idiots from my university, sell 50k tickets and let 'em beat the crap outta each other. Last man standing! It will be interesting to see which is better: Baseball bats and Molotow Cocktails against massive bricks.

My kudos go to DTManiac for best reply. Good imangination. Make sure Christian Klar gets in there as well on his first "holidy from jail". Vrown and red and red and brown, they're the same crap, always have been. They fought each other on the Weimar republic and the Nazis won, could have been the other way round. We must make sure that Weimar and the time after doesnot repeat.



Quoting WSOY (Reply 6):
Next time in your elections, vote, and tell others to vote as well, for a party that actually does something to improve the social conditions of the worse off. They are the fuel behind the extremist movements everyw

we do this all the time. The extremists are only a minority and get too much attention. we have a 5 percent clause for parliaments, usuallly they don't jump over and if they do they always fail on the job.

Germany is a stable democracy, most European Parliaments have some extremists from the extreme left and right. That's the way it goes in a democracy, you cannot keep them from participüating in elections, that would be anti-democratic.



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User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2697 times:

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 8):
See "Blues Brothers" for detailed instructions.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

But the Nazis might reply

Quote:
"Anybody with that kind of record is gonna make a mistake. I want all party members in the tri state district to monitor the city, county and state police on their CBs. Mr. Blues is gonna fu$k up, and when he does, he better pray the police get to him before we do."



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

Show up at their rally with your own Nazi flag flying upside-down.

Wait. That won't work... Nevermind.

Mark


User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1950 posts, RR: 31
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2651 times:

Show up at their next Nazi rally wearing a star of David, a yarmulke, a pink tutu and fairy wand, and acting really gay too. Say that you want to show them that Jewish drag queens are really nice deep down inside. Then kiss one on the lips. Do this all especially if you're kind of scrawny. When they least expect it, whip it right out, urinate on them, and slap them with your balls.

On second thought, maybe that wouldn't be the best idea...



It's people like you what cause unrest!
User currently offlineAAce24 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 849 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

Quoting N229NW (Reply 12):
Show up at their next Nazi rally wearing a star of David, a yarmulke, a pink tutu and fairy wand, and acting really gay too. Say that you want to show them that Jewish drag queens are really nice deep down inside. Then kiss one on the lips. Do this all especially if you're kind of scrawny. When they least expect it, whip it right out, urinate on them, and slap them with your balls.

On second thought, maybe that wouldn't be the best idea...

Somebody has a lot of time on their hands.... Wink


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2597 times:

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 7):
See "Blues Brothers" for detailed instructions.

Exactly!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 7):
Problem is that I start to doubt if our democracy is really stable. And that is when such weirdos become dangerous.

It is very stable - no comparison at all to the Weimar Republic. There is never absolute stability in a society, but the nazis don't really have a chance to destroy our country again, or others in its name.

The most annoying issue for me is that as long as the NPD isn't banned and they actually get some votes in elections, they'll also receive election funding from the state like every other party.  Angry

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 11):
Show up at their rally with your own Nazi flag flying upside-down.
Wait. That won't work... Nevermind.

Tricky buggers, aren't they...!  mischievous 

The main problem is that many people these days feel like "globalization victims", and at least in part they're right. Periods of intense change will always scare and frustrate people.

I think it's a mistake to completely ignore their arguments; They've got plenty of actual weaknesses in there, so their arguments can and should be recognized and rebuked with actual counter-arguments, not just with blind vilification.

I think one of the main attractions they have is the shock and fear they instill on "the society" at large; They need firm rejection and opposition, their ideology needs to face ridicule, they need to face competent dissection of their political claims and tenets, and they need to be made aware that WE are the people (to quote the former east-german civil rights movement) and it's not up to them to define what is german and what isn't.


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2594 times:

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 3):
"Look dickhead, I got an 'arian' gun ..."

 rotfl 

Quoting DTManiac (Reply 8):
Last man standing

Then shoot the f**ker in the head!



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User currently offlineWSOY From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2567 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 9):
we have a 5 percent clause for parliaments, usuallly they don't jump over and if they do they always fail on the job.

So instead of the determined marginalization, why not try to assimilate the extremist fraction into the democratic system? Is there a loophole in the system that is known only to some? Touch that sore point, and the whole setup will suddenly go into an undetermined anarchistic state ... what a cryptic nation.


User currently offlineZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):
It is very stable - no comparison at all to the Weimar Republic.

That is true. But it shows first signs of instability. The democratic parties fail to adress the most immanent problems of our society. As a result, we have freedom of choice, but few to chose from. People start to lose interest in political culture, which is the perfect setup for radical parties.

We are still far away from "old times", but we are going into wrong direction. The earlier we make the turn, the better. The longer we wait, the more difficult it may become.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):
There is never absolute stability in a society, but the nazis don't really have a chance to destroy our country again, or others in its name.

As much as I'd wish to agree, I'm afraid this is also dangerous thinking. It implies we don't have to worry. But we should. The NPD is growing strong in many regions (especially, but not only Eastern Germany). Many people there feel the NPD is the only party that still cares about them. And the sad thing is: they may not even be all wrong.

If no democratic party has the courage to approach the social reforms we badly need, they will drive more and more people into the arms of the radicals.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):
...as long as the NPD isn't banned...

The whole discussion about banning them is not productive. Seems so easy, but won't solve anything. It would be much better if the democratic parties would ask themselves why people vote for NPD. But then again, that process could be painful - banning them would be so much easier.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):
I think it's a mistake to completely ignore their arguments

True. And actually, arguing is one of the best weapons there is against the NPD. While they pretend to care for the people and understand their worries, they indeed do not have a single solution for these problems. Their success is basing solely on putting the finger into the wound, not on offering any treatment.

Still, our democratic parties make it fairly easy for them.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

Quoting WSOY (Reply 16):
So instead of the determined marginalization, why not try to assimilate the extremist fraction into the democratic system? Is there a loophole in the system that is known only to some? Touch that sore point, and the whole setup will suddenly go into an undetermined anarchistic state ... what a cryptic nation.

No, the neonazis are simply completely incompetent and totally disinterested in actually doing any real work beyond a few pointless provocations, which invariably shows whenever they manage to score a few parliamentary seats.


User currently offlineWSOY From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 18):
No, the neonazis are simply completely incompetent and totally disinterested in actually doing any real work beyond a few pointless provocations

So where's the danger? Why all the precautions and the boldface marginalization?


User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9376 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2546 times:

Quoting WSOY (Reply 16):

So instead of the determined marginalization, why not try to assimilate the extremist fraction into the democratic system? Is there a loophole in the system that is known only to some? Touch that sore point, and the whole setup will suddenly go into an undetermined anarchistic state ... what a cryptic nation.



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 9):
we do this all the time. The extremists are only a minority and get too much attentio

You should have quoted that sentence as well. I have a more relaxed viw, you cannot keep the extreme fractions on the left and the right out of Parliament. If they jumpo over the 5% hurdle, that's it. History has proven so far, that every time a Neo Nazi party has reached more than 5 % they f*cked it up in their daily work in Parliament, They usually don't get re-elected

I am not saying that we should take it easy but Germany is a stable Democracy. We should have a more relaxed and self confident attitude.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

The best idea would be a nice noisy protest with enough people to out number the fools by about 20 to 1, or maybe better yet 50 to 1. That seems to work in the USA with such wingnuts (Nazi-like, KKK like jerks) when they try to put on one of their shows. I have usually seen that the people attracted to such organizations (like Hitler was) are usually low life poorly educated jerks who believe they have been dismissed by society and want some perverse revenge or are seeking a misguided 'respect'.

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 21):
The best idea would be a nice noisy protest with enough people to out number the fools by about 20 to 1, or maybe better yet 50 to 1.

It works the same way over here as well.

The nazis are usually vastly outnumbered by protesters when they actually manage to get permission for one of their demonstrations.


User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2431 times:

Quoting AAce24 (Reply 2):
How to deal with Nazis?

No no no...

Reach out and touch somebody...




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User currently offlineBananaBoY From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1579 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2415 times:

How to deal with Nazi's?

Sterilisation would be a good start.


Mark



All my life, I've been kissing, your top lip 'cause your bottom one's missing
25 Post contains images Lh526 : Best answer ever First, strip those Nazis off their "Made in Turkey" T-shirts, have them hand in their japanese car and prohibit them to buy ANY prod
26 Lh526 : Here in Germany we had a weverend using the bells on his church during the demonstration speach of one of the Nazi speakers ... it was so loud the fa
27 ME AVN FAN : - Such Neo-Nazis are disgusting indeed. However, I would advocate strongly against reverting to THEIR methods. To have it with German Federal Chancel
28 WSOY : Why are people so angry at such a powerless mob? Weapons firing uninterrupted and such? Who's throwing the first proverbial stone here?[Edited 2007-03
29 AsstChiefMark : Hitler.
30 MD11Engineer : How do you deal democratically with somebody who despises democrats as weaklings and wants to reinstitute a dictatorship? I was at the march yesterda
31 ME AVN FAN : THIS is not an easy task, as those rightwing-extremists believe to be ALWAYS RIGHT. For them, democrats not only are "weaklings" for them democrats a
32 MD11Engineer : Actually I couldn't care less what the Nazis think about the inclusion of gays, Jews etc. in the opposing force. I also don't think that the Nazis ca
33 Post contains images MCIGuy : What is this, 1943? Seriously, the Nazis have been completely marginalized since WW2. The best thing to do is ignore them.
34 Post contains images Gkirk : Nazis eh? Bring out the Spitfires again
35 ME AVN FAN : you have to see the FULL picture. The Nazis and other rightwing-extremists are far more "marginalized" in Germany than in the neighbouring countries.
36 MD11Engineer : The problem is that they currently run a two pronged strategy: On one hand the legal party, which in parliaments makes fools out of themselves, and o
37 MCIGuy : Which is exaclty why I think history won't repeat itself. The German people are smart people, among the smartest. They won't let something like this
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