Singapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13744 posts, RR: 19 Posted (12 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1425 times:
POY: Rudy Giuliani
Sixteen hours had passed since the Twin Towers crumbled and fell, and people kept telling Rudy Giuliani to get some rest. The indomitable mayor of New York had spent the day and night holding his city together. He raced to the scene as the second plane hit, watched human beings drop from the sky, and nearly got trapped inside his makeshift command center when the south tower imploded. Then he led a battered platoon of city officials, reporters and civilians north through the blizzard of ash and smoke, and a detective jimmied open the door to an old firehouse so the mayor could revive his government there.
Aviatsiya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1356 times:
POY: Osama bin Laden
The Time Person of the Year title is given to the person who has made the most impact on international events during that year.
90% of the world's population would not have even heard of Rudy Guliani if it wasn't for Osama bin Laden and his loonie squad.
There is a lot of uproar in America at the moment that this "title" should go to the NYFD. Yes, what they have done is honourable, but it still doesn't qualify for affecting international events in 2001; in fact it has been negligible.
Remember, this isn't a popularity contest like the Academy Awards, or MTV Music Awards, but it is a different type of "award". Previous recipients include Hitler and Stalin. What they did was not "right", but they still had the greatest impact on the world in the years in which they were given the title.
To give this "title" to anyone but bin Laden is Time caving into public opinion. But anyway, no-one takes Time as a serious publication anyway. Try reading The Economist, or other similar publications for more intellectual reading.
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1342 times:
Unfortunately, Time made a PC choice because of pressure from sponsors and subscribers who threatened to cancel if they made the logical choice, which is Osama bin Laden.
I agree with Aviatsiya on this one. No one outside of the U.S. would have heard much from Rudy if OBL doesn't instigate this conflict. Rudy has been a rock in the crisis, no doubt, but the crisis shaped The Man, in this case, not the other way around.
Osama bin Laden has affected the world more than any single man has in ages, and should have been POY. Unfortunately, this issue, like so many other things, has been turned into a popularity contest.
KROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 10 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1325 times:
S_A. While I agree that Rudy should win it, because he went well above and beyond what could have been expected in handling the Sept. 11 tragedy. But dude, I'm not your dear. You might be my.....naw too easy.
American_4275 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1076 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 10 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1299 times:
I agree with everyone else who says OBL should have gotten it. I think he is the scum of the earth but I saw a quote from a rep of TIME magazine regarding the POY and it said that its the person that makes the most impact whether it be POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE. Hitler, Stalin and Khomeini have all been the POY in the past so I see no reason for OBL not to be.
P.S. Even though I think OBL should have gotten it, the fact that they picked Giuliani doesn't disappoint me at all. Long live America
Cicadajet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 10 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1294 times:
Well, when Hitler and Stalin got it, it used to be MAN of the Year and not POY..so, yes, things change. - in the direction of political correctness.
People outside the US who have occasion to visit New York actually do know who Rudy Guiliani is. The mayor of NEW YORK, USA. [who actually had the good sense to expel Yasser Arafat out of Lincoln Center several years ago, who gave the Saudi Prince's check back after the Prince had issued a statement of moral equivalency between Israel and the WTC incident etc.]
What most people of the world do not know is what piece of crap cave Bin Laden shits in.
According to many Middle Easterners, Bin Laden is perhaps "innocent", (not having *seen* the *proof*) so maybe TIME is soooo PC it doesn't want to offend them.
Nonrevman From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1302 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (12 years 10 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1273 times:
First of all, I agree that Bin Laden has had the greatest influence this year.
That said, I think it would be a travesty if he gets "Person of the Year". Why? Because that is exactly the kind of thing that he wants. Imagine his face on the cover of Time all over New York City. Do we really need this in your face kind of message on the streets? Bin Laden wants attention, and plastering his face on the cover of the magazine will promote his goals. Therefore, I think that he should be passed up this time--not because he is not qualified for the title, but because it would not be the right thing to do.
Hepkat From Austria, joined Aug 2000, 2341 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (12 years 10 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1268 times:
For once I find myself agreeing with Alpha 1 and others. If the Person of the Year is indeed the one that had the greatest impact all year, positive or negative, then by their own definition, Osama's face should grace the cover. I'm sick and tired of America's media being preoccupied with appearing political correct, at times even to the detriment of truth and integrity. If you're not able to stomach the truth in all its unbiased glory, then you have no business reporting to begin with.
While Rudy Giuliani's reponse to September 11 was indeed admirable and courageous, he by no means initiated this tradegy upon himself. A far greater, indeed, insane genius has single handedly managed to engineer the demise of our country's economy and numerous industries without number, not to mention instill fear and terror in the hearts of hundreds of millions, if not billions, the world over. Excuse my logic, but pound for pound, Osama has managed to be far more influential, albeit in a hideously destructive manner, than Rudi could have ever dreamt of being.
Cicadajet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1232 times:
yes, i know. I was joking. TIME could not make bin Laden Person of the Year. It would be unacceptable for all the reasons Nonrevman listed. I doubt Hitler would have been man of year either if he had managed to bomb New York City.
Toadpipe From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1218 times:
I think it should be a double honor(?). I think it should go to Osama and the NYFD(PD). Before 9/11, most people were happy and content with just their own little lives, never helping anybody becuase it wasn't their business, never criticising what they felt was wrong, because that wouldn't be tolerant. Just like WWI and WWII it took a great evil and a great example of courage to wake people up to the twin realities, that Real Good and Real Evil do exist in the world. Once people realized this, they are now confronted with real dilemmas and they must no longer be content in their individual lives (which they now must admit could possibly be a little shorter than previously beleived) but must become members of society. To deny real good and evil, must now mean denying the reality of the deaths of the twin towers and denying the real courage exemplified by the public "servants" of NYC.