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"A Plan To Destroy America"  
User currently offlineFlyUSCG From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2886 times:

Maybe some of you have heard this and maybe some of you haven't. I just got it in an e-mail from my uncle and agree 100%. I also checked online to verify it's authenticity and it checks out. I'm very interested to see any arguments against this...

Quote:

I HAVE A PLAN TO DESTROY AMERICA
RICHARD D. LAMM

I have a secret plan to destroy America. If you believe, as many do, that America is too smug, too white bread, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. History shows that nations are more fragile than their citizens think. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and they all fall, and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.' Here is my plan:

I. We must first make America a bilingual-bicultural country. History shows, in my opinion, that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. One scholar, Seymour Martin Lipset, put it this way:

The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy. Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans.
II. I would then invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal: that there are no cultural differences that are important. I would declare it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rate is only due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out-of-bounds.

III. We can make the United States a 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarx said in the Atlantic Monthly recently:
... The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved! Not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.
I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with a salad bowl metaphor. It is important to insure that we have various cultural sub-groups living in America reinforcing their differences, rather than as Americans emphasizing their similarities.

IV. Having done all this, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated - I would add a second underclass: unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% drop out rate from school.

V. I would then get the big foundations and big business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology'. I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population.

VI. I would establish dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would 'celebrate diversity'. 'Diversity' is a wonderfully seductive word. It stresses differences rather than commonalities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together, and we can take advantage of this myopia. Look at the ancient Greeks. Dorf's World History tells us:
The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshiped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic Games in honor of Zeus and all Greeks venerated the shrine of Apollo at Delphi. A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to over come two factors: . . . (local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions . . .)
'E. Pluribus Unum' --- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we can put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo.

VII. Then I would place all these subjects off limits - make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity'. I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' that halts argument and conversation.

Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra - that because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant sympatric and ignore the cumulative impact.

VIII. Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. --- This book is dangerous --- It exposes my plan to destroy America. So please, please --- If you feel that America deserves to be destroyed --- Please, please --- Don't buy this book! This guy is on to my plan.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/lamm.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lamm (speech is discussed in "activities" section)


Go Trojans! Fight On!
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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4942 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2877 times:

As liberal as I am, I live in Southern California, and it can't be denied that what is stated in that email you got is too true. We have to be careful... Legal immigration is great- my best friend is a legal immigrant from Guatemala. He is fluent in English, totally assimillated into American culture, and considers himself an American. He loves his native culture, but limits its affect on his daily life now that he's here.

That is the ideal situation for immigration, in my opinion. What's going on with illegal immigration are a bunch of people coming over here for "jobs we won't do" and having no loyalty to the country, no civic responsibilities, and sending benefits back to Mexico, which more than encourages the whole she-bang.

That needs to change, or America as we know it will cease to exist...



Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2862 times:

It's scary how the majority of Americans seem to not have the slightest idea of much we are destroying ourselves from the inside. Either this country is going to fail because of this, or we're going to get a hell of wake-up call hopefully in time to rebound. Political correctness is one of the most harmful acids eating at us - we're now refusing to uphold our own laws and ways of life out of bullshit fear of offending people. It makes me sick.

It seems none of our major political parties are going to do anything about it either - why? Because they are POLITICIANS. That's really all it's coming to now. They're out to get votes, not to solve problems.

If we don't change - we fail, and sooner than you may think. <---- mark those words.



-NWA742


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20552 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2853 times:

It seems former Gov. Lamm, is taking the blame game a bit too far. In the wikipedia article you linked it says:

"In July 2006 Dick Lamm said that many Blacks and Hispanics had formed an underclass whose cultures were "not success-producing" in the midst of a national immigration debate that is especially strong in Colorado."

The thread I read through just before this one was:

Last One In Michigan, Plz Turn Out The Lights! (by Dtwclipper Mar 6 2007 in Non Aviation)

You could easily replace "union workers" for "Blacks and Hispanics" and "outsourcing debate" for "immigration debate", and arrive at the same conclusions about an underclass destroying America. While immigration and assimilation are important aspects of U.S. history, I don't believe it should be used as the scapegoat for our problems, without looking at other factors as well.



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8446 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2853 times:

Well you can preach all you want Mr Lamm, but until get into a position of power, your not so secret plan will be nothing. Something else for the rest of us to go "awww geez. not this shit again". In the mean time, lay off the crack.

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20552 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 4):
Well you can preach all you want Mr Lamm, but until get into a position of power, your not so secret plan will be nothing.

He was in power at one time, as the governor of Colorado. If you read his speech carefully, it's a parody of sorts, outlining some of the problems we face, and usurping them as "his plan".



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4942 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2837 times:

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 2):
It's scary how the majority of Americans seem to not have the slightest idea of much we are destroying ourselves from the inside.

Apathy is a dangerous thing, and people seem either not to know or not care about the negative direction the country is heading. Especially older Americans, who figure they'll be dead by the time this "supposed change" will come about, so why should they care?

Well, I'm a young American, who probably has at least 60 more years to live, and I'm the one who's gonna get screwed over by all this! Sometimes, when I'm on myspace or whatever, I think to myself, why isn't anyone doing anything or at least saying anything to try and right the wrongs of this country?

Are we too obsessed with "American Idol" and "Dancing with the Stars" to care anymore? I always thought George Carlin was just exagerrating for humor when he said "we use television and sports in this country to distract people from how bad they're being f---ed..." But I'm really starting to think he has a point... Where is the outcry to all this? There is none, because its easier for people to ignore it, especially if they feel it doesn't affect their daily lives.



Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 3):
You could easily replace "union workers" for "Blacks and Hispanics" and "outsourcing debate" for "immigration debate", and arrive at the same conclusions about an underclass destroying America.

Why not blame both?



-NWA742

[Edited 2007-03-07 08:41:18]

User currently offlineFlyUSCG From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 4):
Well you can preach all you want Mr Lamm, but until get into a position of power, your not so secret plan will be nothing. Something else for the rest of us to go "awww geez. not this shit again". In the mean time, lay off the crack.

Read the links at the bottom. He was one of Colorado's most popular Governonrs serving 3 terms from 1975-1987 and also made an attempt at the oval office. So the problem wasn't AS bad during his term but it's obviously gotten out of hand by now (when he made the speech).



Go Trojans! Fight On!
User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2829 times:

Quoting San747 (Reply 6):
Where is the outcry to all this? There is none, because its easier for people to ignore it, especially if they feel it doesn't affect their daily lives.

Very true. That's why people need a kick in the ass and slap in the face. At this point in time, I'd take a military general, ex-drill instructor leading this country over any politician with their typical self-serving agendas.



-NWA742


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20552 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2829 times:

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 7):
Why not blame both?

Why not address our problems without assigning blame to those only partially responsible?



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2812 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 10):
Why not address our problems without assigning blame to those only partially responsible?

I don't think it really matters whether they're "only" partially responsible - part of the initial process in solving big problems like these is putting blame where it needs to be, and that goes for everyone. That in turn, applies pressure to improve. Let's not ignore anyone simply because they may be "only" a part of the overall problem.




-NWA742


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20552 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2796 times:

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 11):
Let's not ignore anyone simply because they may be "only" a part of the overall problem.

In essence, I agree, but only if everyone who contributes to the problem receives their fair share. It seems to me that he's putting the responsibility for the "death of America" squarely on the shoulders of Blacks and Hispanics, which I don't believe would address all our problems. As I eluded to before, union workers could be held just as responsible for the blame he assigned to minority groups, so emphasizing the flaws as he does would be inappropriate.



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
It seems to me that he's putting the responsibility for the "death of America" squarely on the shoulders of Blacks and Hispanics, which I don't believe would address all our problems.

I agree - he raises good points, but he does push the blame a little too much.



-NWA742


User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

Hmm. Sounds like a white guy afraid of change.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):

 checkmark 

Dave



Yesterday we've sinned, today we move towards God. Touch the sky....love and respect...Safe Star!
User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 14):
Hmm. Sounds like a white guy afraid of change.

Or rather - afraid of people that think the way this country is changing is good.



-NWA742


User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 15):
Or rather - afraid of people that think the way this country is changing is good.

Haha, yeah that too.

More of what I'm getting at is that diversity should be welcomed. Yes, first people need to realize they are American and realize the values that this country were founded upon. It's time to put our petty differences aside as a nation and work together to progress our country so that it can function at its optimum capabilities. But people shouldn't forget about their culture because that would be, in essence, forgetting history. What I find dangerous about the line of thinking suggested by Gov. Lamm is that it can lead to stereotyping, prejudice, and hatred.

IMO the problem with our country is that we have lost a common denominator. There aren't many, for lack of a better word, voices of reason in mainstream media outlets. There is little source of inspiration. Who do kids have to look up to these days? The problem is a lot of people don't have a role model that they attain inspiration from. It's not cool to want to do well and be a Doctor or teacher. Most kids want to be professional athletes, music stars, actors, etc. Not to say kids shouldn't follow their dreams, but maybe if they had different influences they would have different dreams. Charles Barkley gained a lot of criticism for saying that he wasn't a role model, but he was spot on.

Think about it for a second. If you're a kid growing up in poverty, and or if your family is not there for you, what does the future look like? There's no emphasis on programs for kids like this that will teach them how to reach their full potential. Society writes them off already before most of them get a chance to show the world they can be successful. There's no one man or woman broadcasting their situation to every home in suburbia America so that before you go to work in the morning, and when you come home at night, you will think of a kid whose life in society's eyes is over before it began.

This can be applied to young adults, and adults as well. America is the land of opportunity, but if we don't realise everyone is created equal then a great opportunity for one could be a minor detail for many.

Dave



Yesterday we've sinned, today we move towards God. Touch the sky....love and respect...Safe Star!
User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

Wow talk about paranoid. Becoming bilingual will destroy the US hahaahahah. Well, keep on with your isolationist, parnoid views while the rest of the world leaves you in the dust.


Kris



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User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2724 times:

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 17):
Wow talk about paranoid. Becoming bilingual will destroy the US hahaahahah. Well, keep on with your isolationist, parnoid views while the rest of the world leaves you in the dust.

Yeah, and we're really doing well with it up here.  sarcastic 

Bilingualism can be a good thing, however there is a fine line and we have already crossed it. Nobody has to look any farther than Quebec. Of course, it doesn't stop there.



No matter how random things may appear, there's always a plan.
User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2718 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

Quoting FlyUSCG (Thread starter):
France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans.

A good test of the authority of a text is to check the facts on something you know a little about. This statement tha France faces difficulties with Brittany, Basque country and Corsica on the basis of language is ignorant nonsense. France brutally crushed regional languages in most areas at the turn of the previous century. Virtually no-one speaks Breton today. Spain, not France, has problems with the Basque country and only 11% of Corsicans support separatist movements.

If this guy is so wrong on some of his supporting arguments and doesn't seem to care, why heed to the rest of his rant?



When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

Quoting FlyUSCG (Thread starter):
Having done all this, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated - I would add a second underclass: unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% drop out rate from school.

Show me a country where this hasn't been the case? Hell, this is repeated on a macro scale by the whole third world.

News flash: It will ALWAYS be easier for people to make babies than it will be for a societal infrastructure to educate them. It is a fact of population distribution, not a harbringer of the impending end of the USA.



"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13088 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2654 times:

Lamm was the same guy who it was alleged said a number of years ago that old people 'had a duty to die' so not to overload the social security, medicare and other costs to government of old people. From that time, he is seen as a unacceptable nutcase. The comments alleged to him in the initial post are to me something like the kind of things Hitler and those around him supported, although with people in their area of the world. These comments of Lamm are far too accepted by too many Americans, looking for blame for their problems.
Yes, we need to deal better with assimilating people, but I would rather have the diversity we have today, rather than the narrow communities, neighborhoods and prejudices we had for generations. I do agree we need to deal better with the issues of 'Victimology', of groups always blaming others for their problems. We need to find ways to reduce the exploitation of illegal immigrants as well as deal with the reasons people come here illegally from their home countries. We may all have to face the reality that we all can't live beyond our means or exploit people or ship jobs outside the USA just to make more money. We need to break the bonds of the rich have with our politicians where they can get their ways instead of the common good.
Comments like Mr. Lamm's just add more fuel to the fire of hate of others and delays the resolution of them. Indeed they create more of the division he rants against.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2646 times:

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 2):
It's scary how the majority of Americans seem to not have the slightest idea of much we are destroying ourselves from the inside

Having two parties squabble over who got convicted for what last doesn't help. They have both done an excellent job of making Americans forget what government is all about while they line their pockets with million dollar speech fees and $10,000/plate dinners. They make up debates about political correctness and deny that common sense should exist. I have been calling for an American revolution for over 2 years, even if my interests "loose" it would be nice to see a responsible corruption free government managing REAL problems instead of squabbling about {redflag.}


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8705 posts, RR: 43
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2639 times:

So the blame is on the shoulders of blacks, hispanics and union workers? Yeah riiight...  sarcastic 

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 19):
Spain, not France, has problems with the Basque country

Not to mention that Spain actually is a multi-lingual country yet still its existance isn't threatened. Castilian, Catalan, Galician are all very different, and then of course there's Basque which doesn't even belong to the same family of languages.

Most European countries boast a variety of languages or at least dialects, yet we face little separatism and support for the few movements we have is little. ETA for example is protested against every so often in huge gatherings.

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 19):
If this guy is so wrong on some of his supporting arguments and doesn't seem to care, why heed to the rest of his rant?

 checkmark  "Fearmongering" would be a valid description of that text.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 23):
Most European countries boast a variety of languages or at least dialects, yet we face little separatism and support for the few movements we have is little. ETA for example is protested against every so often in huge gatherings.

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 19):
If this guy is so wrong on some of his supporting arguments and doesn't seem to care, why heed to the rest of his rant?

"Fearmongering" would be a valid description of that text.

Buncha whiners....why let a little thing like the facts get in the way of a good psychotic rant?

Maybe Lamm can get a good deal on Tom Egleton's electroshock machine at the estate sale. I'll contribute some army surplus Thorazine.




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25 Post contains images ShyFlyer : GySgt R. Lee Ermey, USMC (Ret.)
26 LHMARK : Last I checked, Switzerland was a multilingual society. They seem to be doing OK.
27 Blackbird : The sad part is that much of what is said in the post is true. We have forgot about the melting pot philosophy, and have embraced the salad-bowl. Ther
28 Post contains links and images LHMARK : Hey Andrea, where are you getting some of these ideas? Here are some sample questions: Current USCIS Test Questions (Click on the question to see the
29 TZ757300 : You didn't edit your post 14 times in 3 minutes
30 Post contains links Aloges : What would that be? I've looked around online and all I've found is allegations from fearsome souls that increased cooperation between the US, Canada
31 Post contains images Aloges : red, white and blue 50 white one star for each state (or commonwealth or whatever) of the union 13 red and white the 13 original states 50 Independen
32 LHMARK : I GUESS we'd let you in, but only if you could prove no American would do your job! How are you at picking fruit?
33 Post contains images Aloges : Hmmm... can we amend that to say "not enough Americans would do my job"? I'm not that bad at cherry picking, actually...
34 TAZA : Not so my friend, I have been around since before WW II and I care a great deal. Unfortunately it is the younger generation ( by that I mean those mu
35 San747 : The part where the people feel a loyalty to the Constitution and have a willingness to do whatever it takes to defend it. "Patriotism" and "Americani
36 LHMARK : Those are prophetic words indeed, and it's interesting to note how many people who had or have everything still care only about getting an ever-incre
37 Post contains images AGM100 : TAZA, I trie to teach my kids about the sacrifices of our for-generations. I really do think that it is something that can not be taught ! It is some
38 Pbottenb : I just ate an excellent burrito that was prepared by a lovely hispanic looking young lady who didnt speak a word of english. I had no problem ordering
39 Checkraiser : Alex, I'll take apathy for $1000
40 Aloges : Would you feel the same way if you were a Finn and ordered your food at a Turku snack bar in Swedish?
41 Post contains images Checkraiser : WTF???
42 Aloges : What "what the fuck"? The point is that not everyone living in a country has to speak its dominant language lest it falls apart.
43 Checkraiser : Not so, Aloges. Our neighbors to the north have problems with it. I'm not real well versed in Canada's issues but IIRC, there was a referendum of sort
44 TZ757300 : Its always a double standard. I personally think if you cant support yourself and come into the country, get out. There is nothing more worse than ha
45 Post contains images Aloges : Ah yes... so it's all about the money again. I should have known that it would be. All of those points minus the "shipped to Mexico" bit can apply to
46 Pbottenb : One lesson that I learned as a boy scout was "never mess with a person who is doing his/her job" I think that generally, most Americans feel this way
47 Checkraiser : Sure they can. Does that make it right? Should we not try to quell those problems? Is it a mere coincidence that hospitals near the border are going
48 Checkraiser : Why is it racist to assume that? Let me put it to you this way: Say you were forced to lay a $500 bet whether she was or wasn't an illegal. Would you
49 Aaron747 : There's a big difference between welcoming diversity and allowing the myriad socioeconomic impacts of the illegal flood to metasticize.
50 Pbottenb : Im really not liking your approach here. This is not about betting on someones life. I feel that such a bet woudl be racist, demeaining, and poor tas
51 Prebennorholm : Huh, a bilingual country will always commit suicide...!!! Rubbish. Look at Switzerland, seven million heads, four official languages. Not at all a fai
52 Arrow : This is hilarious. There are lots of Canadians who express exactly the same emotion, and believe very strongly that Canada has "lost its sovereign ri
53 Checkraiser : The aforementioned "bet" is hypothetical (I thought that was implied.) No matter; you're skirting the question. You forgot the failure to speak Engli
54 Post contains links Pbottenb : The United Sates does not recognize an official language. Here is the OFFICIAL US Government web site: http://www.usa.gov/gobiernousa/index.shtml IN
55 Pbottenb : One last thing - This statement really bothers me. this guy worked for 30 years picking oranges, he buys his own house, drives a crappy car, puts all
56 Post contains images Checkraiser : More personal attacks. By the way, I'm not a "trucker." I push paper in the fleet maintenence and safety/compliance arena. We have about 60 drivers.
57 Pbottenb : Its called sacrifice and good financial management - something to be respected. Beleive it or not there is low income housing here in Calif. I find i
58 Dougloid : God.....the sky is falling, the sky is falling! Dude, you have to get beyond that premise.
59 Post contains images Pbottenb : OK, fair enough, I can only say that yesterday, when I wrote this, I had just golfed 9 holes before work and the air was clear, the temp was about 62
60 Blackbird : A parliamentary style system for America would be terrible. It would reduce the people's authority in selecting the president. These are some things I
61 Dougloid : I lived in Long Beach and Signal Hill for 12 years.....plenty enough for one lifetime. Beauty's in the eye of the beholder I s'pose but I do not like
62 Post contains images N229NW : NO WAI !! Newsflash, the idea of these classes is to mainstream kids so they can pursue their further education in ENGLISH! I'll take winter, thanks
63 Arrow : You mean the authority vested totally in the electoral college? The system that lets the candidate who finished second in the popular vote tally win
64 Post contains links Pbottenb : Not this time of year: From the AQMD website: http://www.aqmd.gov/telemweb/areamap.aspx East San Bernardino Valley Air Monitoring Subregion ---------
65 Blackbird : Arrow, I think we should use the popular vote only in America. I am opposed to a parlimentary way of running things though. The American republic is f
66 Post contains images VonRichtofen : How is it affecting your life personally? Is Bilingualism destroying Canada? Last time I checked, we're still pretty high on the Quality of Life inde
67 Cairo : Is there anyone who thinks a lifetime politician is a good person to be in charge of things? Sure, there are honest ones, but the temptation to act f
68 TheCol : Again, as I sated before, Bilingualism can be a good thing. I support having two official languages spoken in Canada. However, going as far as enacti
69 Dougloid : they've been tried and they've both failed in the US. They're just like any other simple answer to a complex problem, they're invariably wrong.
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