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Attention All Pittsburgh Penguins Fans  
User currently offlineLuketenley From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 419 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1439 times:

CALLING ALL PENGUINS FANS! THE PENGUINS HAVE DECLARED
AN IMPASSE IN THEIR ARENA NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE LOCAL
POLITICIANS, AND ARE SET TO "AGGRESSIVELY EXPLORE
RELOCATION". YOU CAN FIND THE STORY HERE:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07064/767020-61.stm

OUR BACKS ARE AGAINST THE WALL, THE POLITICIANS ARE
ABOUT TO TAKE OUR HOCKEY TEAM AWAY FROM US AND BLAME
AND Irtysh-Avia (Kazakhstan)">IT ON LEMIEUX AND HIS GROUP. BELOW, YOU WILL FIND
SEVERAL WAYS TO CONTACT THE THREE STOOGES: RAVENSTAHL,
ONORATO, AND RENDELL (he's the Moe of the group). I
ASK THAT EVERYONE COPY THE FOLLOWING LETTER AND SEND
AND Irtysh-Avia (Kazakhstan)">IT TO THEM. LET THEM KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE ARE PISSED,
AND ARE NOT GOING TO FORGET OR FORGIVE WHAT THEY HAVE
DONE.

INSTRUCTIONS: COPY THE LETTER BELOW AND EMAIL AND Irtysh-Avia (Kazakhstan)">IT TO
THE ADDRESSES LISTED. MAKE SURE YOU READ THE LETTER
BEFORE SENDING AND Irtysh-Avia (Kazakhstan)">IT, AND MAKE SURE YOU SIGN YOUR NAME
WITH PRIDE AS A PENGUINS FAN. AND MAKE SURE YOU DON'T
COPY THE INSTRUCTIONS AND SEND THOSE AS WELL. WE ARE
PENGUINS FANS, WE ARE SMARTER THAN THAT.

ONCE YOU ARE FINISHED, FORWARD THIS MESSAGE TO
EVERYONE YOU KNOW WHO IS EVEN THE LEAST BIT INTERESTED
IN THE PENGUINS OR THE FUTURE OF THIS CITY. STUFF THE
POLITICIAN'S INBOXES WITH ANGRY EMAILS; LET THEM KNOW
HOW THE PEOPLE FEEL!

Contact information:
Mayor Luke Ravenstahl:
mayorcompl@city.pittsburgh.pa.us
Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato:
executive@county.allegheny.pa.us

Apparently, Eddie Rendell gets so many emails
complaining about his work, or lack there of, that you
have to fill out a field to send him anything. If any
of you are as brave as I am, you can do so here:
http://sites.state.pa.us/PA_Exec/Governor/govmail.html

You can also call him at: Ed Rendell (717) 787-2500.
The mayor's office is 412-255-2626. Feel free to use
the Mayor Luke Ravenstahl's Response line. Dial 311
if within the city, or (412) 255-CITY (412-255-2489)
if outside of the city of Pittsburgh.

If you want the old fashioned way, here are the
addresses:
Governor Edward G. Rendell's Office
225 Main Capitol Building
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania 17120

Mayor's Office
Room 512,
City-County Building
414 Grant Street
Pittsburgh, PA 15219

Office of the Allegheny County Chief Executive
Dan Onorato
Courthouse
Room 101
436 Grant Street
Pittsburgh, PA 15219

Time is running out if we have any hope of changing
their minds, so an old fashioned letter is not the
best way to contact them.

THIS IS THE LETTER. FEEL FREE TO ADD OR SUBTRACT AS
YOU SEE FIT.
*********************************************


Mr. Rendell, Mr. Onorato, and Mr. Ravenstahl:

I am both shocked and outraged that the arena
negotiations with the Lemieux group have broken off;
it is embarrassing.

Any good that you might have accomplished in your time
in office will forever be overshadowed by the fact
that you were responsible for the Penguins leaving
town. It will be a black stain that you will never
remove from the public's opinion.

The fact that the Penguins have agreed to fund $120
million for a new arena, when they have an offer from
Kansas City to play for free and to share the revenue
is a testament to the team's commitment to this city.
The fact that you could not come up with the other
$170 million in arena funding is a testament to your
commitment to the city.

How long before the restaurants, nightclubs, and other
businesses that have generated most of their revenue
from Penguin game nights go out of business? What
about all the tourism money generated from the
Penguins and that economic loss on the region? No
hockey games mean additional empty hotel rooms, fewer
people spending their discretionary money downtown,
and even less people flying in and out of the
Pittsburgh Airport.

Not only have you lost the revenue and tax dollars
that I, and thousands of Penguins fans spend every
week thru winter in a struggling downtown, but you
have lost any chance of winning my vote.

Not only will I not vote for you, I will do everything
in my power to campaign for your opponent. The
Penguins have already drawn more than half a million
people this season; I hope you are ready to lose all
of those votes.

The Penguins have done nothing but good for this
community, while the other sports teams continue to
embarrass themselves. How many Penguins names have
popped up in steroid allegations? How many Penguins
have been involved in violent incidents at nightclubs?
How many Penguins players have been dumb enough to
ride a motorcycle without a helmet?

How many Steelers have helped generate over $3.8
million dollars for the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation?
How many Rooneys have wings at hospitals named after
them?

This is just another nail in the coffin for the city
of Pittsburgh. Pretty soon, Mellon Arena will be just
another vacant building where the business has moved
elsewhere, to go along with the dozens of others
downtown.

This city and the governing body is a laughing stock.
$435 million for a North Shore Connector that is only
needed eight days a year, yet you can't come up with
the funding for a multi-purpose arena that could house
revenue generating events every week.

A new arena costs substantially less, and would
generate enough revenue to eventually pay for itself.
The North Shore Connector is just another project
adding to the Port Authority's ever increasing debt.

All of you should be ashamed of yourselves. I cannot
wait until the next election.

Sincerely,

[INSERT YOUR NAME HERE]
Pittsburgh Penguins Fan


Pittsburgh International Airport lover
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User currently offlineCFCUQ From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 712 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1433 times:

Good luck with that, Pittsburgh need to keep the Penguins, dunno how, though.

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21882 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1432 times:

It would be a great shame if the Pens left town. I hope the situation resolves itself.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

It would be a shame to see the Pens go after the history with Mario, and now Sid...

however, if Pens move west to KC, that might mean that the Wings go to the Eastern Conference and we get to see original 6 teams (other than the Hawks) more than once a year. Move Buffalo to the Atlantic Division and put the Wings in the Northeast division so we can play the Leafs, Habs and Bruins 8 times a year


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1404 times:

Latest on this is that the Pens' ownership group is investigating the possibility of moving the franchise to Las Vegas. We'll see how that works out!

YOWza



12A whenever possible.
User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9272 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1393 times:

This whole thing is sad really... Luketenley, I read your letter, and it has me all fired up. Ed Rendell I don't think it will affect politically becasue I think this is his last term in office; the state Governor only gets 2 terms like the President. However, Ravenstahl is running against Peduto. So if this whole fiasco results in the Penguins leaving... well I'd vote for Peduto, if I still lived out there...

I have only been to a handful of Penguin games, although my last game I was at, I got to sit up against the glass. My seat as 2 away from the penalty box...for the other team. I will never forget the 1990-91 and 1991-92 seasons either! The Stanley Cup!

In today's paper, it said that talks today in Philadelphia could make or break a deal with the Penguins...

You know, if the folks at the state gaming board would have just given the license to the Capri Sun Casino group, this whole thing could've been avoided!



Do not bring stranger girt into your room. The stranger girt is dangerous, it will hurt your life.
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1393 times:

Yeah, Orlando Penguins... that sounds about right  stirthepot 

User currently offlineLuketenley From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 5):
You know, if the folks at the state gaming board would have just given the license to the Capri Sun Casino group, this whole thing could've been avoided!

Isle of Capri you mean! haha



Pittsburgh International Airport lover
User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1352 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 6):
Yeah, Orlando Penguins... that sounds about right

I would LOVE that! We need an NHL team here in Orlando. I mean I don't want to have to drive an hour to see the Lightning.

Would have to change the name though to something more Florida like... the Orlando Manatees or something.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1348 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 8):
the Orlando Manatees

  

Keep it Penguins to remind Pittsburgh what they lost and so the marketing people can use "OPP" on the pucks.

PS if you think Penguins is 'weak' for an Orlando team, keep in mind SeaWorld is right down the road chock full of them.

[Edited 2007-03-08 23:07:39]

User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1345 times:

Let's see here.....hockey in Miami, hockey in Tampa, hockey in Phoenix, hockey in Dallas, hockey in Carolina, hockey in the ATL.....no hockey in Quebec, no hockey in Hartford, no hockey in Winnipeg, pretty soon no hockey in Pittsburgh. Gotta love the direction hockey's gone in the past 15 years  sarcastic  .

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 8):
We need an NHL team here in Orlando. I mean I don't want to have to drive an hour to see the Lightning.

Sorry about the 1 hour drive to Tampa.....I willingly did that a zillion times growing up in LA to see the Kings, and any number of fans (except the 9,000 going to see the Black Hawks each night  wink  ) in New York, Philly, LA, etc, etc seem to do pretty good with a sixty minute drive to see their team. Though I was into the ten minute WALK from Embry-Riddle to go see a race at Daytona  wink 

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineYooYoo From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 6057 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1342 times:

I wish you luck with your endeavour.

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 10):
no hockey in Quebec, no hockey in Hartford, no hockey in Winnipeg

baffling.

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 10):
Sorry about the 1 hour drive to Tampa

ya really, 1 hour is perfect, do it all the time for the Leafs.



I am so smart, i am so smart... S-M-R-T... i mean S-M-A-R-T
User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1342 times:

This has been one of the lead stories on the local news in Houston. Hizzonor The Mayor has "let the Penguins know" we're interested. But we've been down this road before with Edmonton, so I'm not expecting the outcome of this debacle to be any different. Rockets/Toyota Center owner Les Alexander wants to own a franchise, not lease his arena to someone else's. Sure would be nice to have a NHL team, though...

User currently offlineFlyKev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1391 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1337 times:
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Its been quiet for a while on the old Penguin front, and now this appears. Again I do feel that they won't move, and although not a fan personally, I like having them around and their names good and they have a great fanbase.

Lets hope for the best.

kev.



The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only
User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1326 times:

Hate to tell you, but the Pens aren't going to K.C. The Count don't want to put a team in K.C. regardless of the fact that they had a brand new building about to open that has already sold all of the luxury suites even without a tenant. You wouldn't put the team that will be the face of the league within the next few seasons in a small market where the NHL failed in the past. If the Pens do move (something that based on the recent turn of events seems more and more likely) it's going to be Las Vegas. There are several potential ownership groups already in the bullpen waiting for the announcement. The only name I've heard is Jerry Bruckheimer, but there are reports of several interested parties, perhaps the Maloof Brothers (They already own the NBA team in Sacramento) and who knows, maybe even Frank & Lorenzo Fertitta (Who own the UFC) , or for all we know Steve Wynn or Sheldon Adelson could be interested parties (I place those two as really longshots). If the Pens bolt from Steel City, it'll be Vegas they'll go to. Play two seasons at the Thomas and Mack while an arena is built for them in Downtown, potentially in the Union Park section (Even if they stay in Pittsburgh, it'll be at least three seasons before they'd move into a new arena). I doubt the arena would be built on the Strip since the land prices there would make it a bit pricey.

Of course some of you will say, "what about the gambling?" Easy, the NHL can approach the NV Gaming Control Board and ask them to issue a regulation that no sportsbook in the State of Nevada can take bets on any game involving the Las Vegas franchise or even go as far as to say "No Betting On the NHL". There's already a precedence established as no sportsbook in Nevada takes any bets involving Nevada collegiate teams, and plus the Maloofs agreed to not have any NBA betting action at the Palms. In a number of NHL cities, there are either casinos in those cities or within a 30-60 minute drive of the arena, so why would Las Vegas be any different?

I'm following the situation with the Pens not only because I'm a hockey fan, but because prior to having the NHL back here in Atlanta, I followed the Pens very heavily. One thing that I hope happens if the Pens were to move is that the city retains the name, associated logos, etc. of the Pens to eventually have the team resurrected as either an NHL expansion team (NHL expansion to 32 teams is something that could be coming down the pipeline within the next 5-10 years) similar to what happened with Cleveland in the NFL when the Browns moved to Baltimore (Similar is true in Winnipeg, where the city was given the name and associated marks of the Jets when they moved to Phoenix).


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1315 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 9):
PS if you think Penguins is 'weak' for an Orlando team, keep in mind SeaWorld is right down the road chock full of them.

Yeah I was thinking the Penguins at Seaworld too. Could call them the Orlando Shamus too, then Southwest could have its NHL plane and Seaworld plane on one plane.

Was trying to give it a more Florida type name though like the Panthers and the Lightning. Can't have an Orlando Gators, too close to that Central Florida college football team name.

We could call them the Orlando Palmetto Bugs perhaps.

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 10):
Let's see here.....hockey in Miami, hockey in Tampa, hockey in Phoenix, hockey in Dallas, hockey in Carolina, hockey in the ATL.....no hockey in Quebec, no hockey in Hartford, no hockey in Winnipeg, pretty soon no hockey in Pittsburgh. Gotta love the direction hockey's gone in the past 15 years

There has been talk for years about wanting to put NHL teams in Houston and Las Vegas too. However, there was a rumor not long ago that the Pens would be moving to Hamilton Ontario

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 10):
Sorry about the 1 hour drive to Tampa.....I willingly did that a zillion times growing up in LA to see the Kings, and any number of fans (except the 9,000 going to see the Black Hawks each night ) in New York, Philly, LA, etc, etc seem to do pretty good with a sixty minute drive to see their team. Though I was into the ten minute WALK from Embry-Riddle to go see a race at Daytona

Well actually I have to drive about 20 hours to see my favorite team, or catch a 2 hour flight since my favorite team is the Red Wings anyway. I used to have to drive close to one hour to see the Wings anyway when I lived in Michigan.


User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1298 times:

Yes, love for any particular sports franchise is often difficult to express rationally.
I still miss my Jets -- and I was a season ticket holder back to 1972 when they were
formed. That's a lot of hockey. It just doesn't seem right that there is no NHL hockey in
Winnipeg or Quebec (Winnipeg at least has the AHL Moose) but there is in such hotbeds
of hockey tradition like Phoenix and Atlanta.

But you know what ? Life goes on. There are other things to do, and some of them are quite
a lot of fun and are stimulating.

During the lockout in, IIRC, 1994 (?) I went to the opera (not my cup of teat but I went), the ballet
(more interesting and they are quite the athletes as well as artists), live theater, and so forth.
So, when the jets departed for Phoenix, I was more or less ready for it.

It's all about corporate branding and fancy rinks and so forth these days. It's not about the fans,
of which Winnipeg was never short. What it was short of was corporate support.

My personal prediction is that the Penguins will wind up in Houston.

Actually, what the NHL needs more than anything is to shed 6 franchises, boost the quality of play,
and solidify in markets that actually want hockey.



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1291 times:

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 16):
It just doesn't seem right that there is no NHL hockey in
Winnipeg or Quebec (Winnipeg at least has the AHL Moose) but there is in such hotbeds
of hockey tradition like Phoenix and Atlanta.

And what city did the Flames play in before moving to Calgary? Atlanta. The main reason why the left Atlanta was because the owner was forced to sell the team because of non-hockey related financial issues involving his real estate holdings. The Flames would still be in Atlanta if it wasn't for 8 million dollars. The group led by Nelson Skalbania bid
8 million more than what the group led by Glenn Ford bid. Even Ted Turner had been approached about buying the team, but he was a bit tied up financially at the time, some little cable news channel.......

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 16):

My personal prediction is that the Penguins will wind up in Houston.

While the owner of the Rockets would love to have an NHL team sharing the arena, the team would have to compensate the Minnesota Wild since the team's AHL affiliate (which they own), the Houston Aeros would be made homeless. Perhaps they could move to Pittsburgh......  duck 

While Houston is the largest TV market in the US without an NHL team, and both incarnations of the Houston Aeros (The original WHA team and the IHL/AHL version) were successful, and the original Aeros lobbied to be included in the WHA merger into the NHL (along with Cinncinnati), but the NHL only agreed to let the Oilers, Whalers, Jets. and Nordiques join the league. I think that if the NHL wanted a team in Houston, they would have already put a team there.


User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1280 times:

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 16):
My personal prediction is that the Penguins will wind up in Houston.

Hope springs eternal. But I wouldn't put money on it.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 17):
I think that if the NHL wanted a team in Houston, they would have already put a team there.

I dunno...we're growing leaps and bounds. Most data is for Houston proper, but a ton of the growth is in the metro area. The Aeros winning the Turner Cup a few years ago peaked Houstonians' interest in the sport and they always sell out when the Wings come to play exhibition games. I think it would be a smart move on the NHL's part, but I've been barking up that tree for years.


User currently offlineGalapagapop From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 910 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1274 times:

I'm crossing my fingers for the return of a NHL team to Hartford. I know it's doubtful, but the news has been buzzing lately, and I do know for a fact that the Wolfpack have a couple new sites in mind if a relocation is needed later on.

User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1251 times:

Have Already Sent a letter out to keep the Pens in Pittsburgh.

I hope they stay....as I was a HUGE fan growing up.


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1248 times:

Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 16):
Actually, what the NHL needs more than anything is to shed 6 franchises, boost the quality of play,
and solidify in markets that actually want hockey.

Unfortunately if 6 franchises were shed, I am assuming they would be in Canada... at least 3 of them. I am thinking we could see the end of Calgary, Ottawa and Vancouver if that happened. Remember there was all that talk a few years ago about losing Ottawa due to Canadian subsidies and the difference of the Canadian and American dollar etc?

However I would love to see an original 6 division in the NHL, and to do that you would either need to cut 6 teams or add 6 teams so you could have an equal number of teams in each division.


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 32
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1233 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 21):
Unfortunately if 6 franchises were shed, I am assuming they would be in Canada...

Which would be a shame.....the three they should start with would be the three most recent deep south expansion teams: Florida, Tampa Bay, and Atlanta.

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1224 times:

Quoting Galapagapop (Reply 19):
I'm crossing my fingers for the return of a NHL team to Hartford. I know it's doubtful, but the news has been buzzing lately, and I do know for a fact that the Wolfpack have a couple new sites in mind if a relocation is needed later on.

Winnipeg has a better chance to get another team than Hartford does.


Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 16):

Actually, what the NHL needs more than anything is to shed 6 franchises, boost the quality of play,
and solidify in markets that actually want hockey.

The league will never ever contemplate contraction. The last time the league lost a team was when the North Stars and Barons merged. The only way I could see an NHL team dissolved would be if they went into bankruptcy and ended up having to liquidate the team and that's about as likely as contraction. Before Mario stepped in to save the Pens (again), it looked like the Pens were going to go under, and he was actually the team's biggest creditor. If the NHL cannot work in a city, move it one where it might.


User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1993 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1214 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 21):
I am thinking we could see the end of Calgary, Ottawa and Vancouver if that happened.

Sorry Im not going to bite on this one, Calgary not a chance, Ottawa the more likely out of the three, still not a chance and if I am not Mistaken Vancouver has now the 3rd biggest market in the NHL, next to Toronto and Montreal. Personally I think the cities that would loose the hockey teams would be Florida, Phoenix and I dont want to say it but perhaps Chicago, I know they were an original 6 but honest to god with their attendance, this must say that hockey is not needed in the city.



Keep the shinny side up!
25 NASCARAirforce : Hockey is pretty popular in Atlanta and that is a huge market. Thrashers are finally getting good and attendance is good there. I highly doubt they w
26 Post contains links and images Connies4ever : Mark Spector wrote an interesting series on the current state of the NHL under Bettman, published in the "National Post" in February. Here's one link
27 Post contains images Piercey : What Chicago needs is an owner that allows a TV contract
28 Galapagapop : Indeed, but, hey I'm hopeful, I still see Whalers logo's here and there, it just sucks that Hartford lost their only pro team, and had to watch that
29 Post contains links Srbmod : The comment sentiment among the various hockey forums is that Wirtz sucks. Not showing home games under the flawed logic that to get fans they need t
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