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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1600 times:

There are a few expressions related to watching train wrecks as euphimisims for something bad happening or something VERY predictably bad about to happen.

IE: It was "like watching a train wreck'
or
"I could see that train wreck comming from a mile away"

There was an occasion were I told someone watching their relationship was like watching the train engineer get up in the morning it was so predictable from so far away(in advance).

The last euphimisim being VERY approiate for the following article:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2098770,00.asp

I'm sorry but only an idiot does an in place upgrade 'online' from OS version to OS version ESPECIALLY with Microsoft. It's risky enough doing it with an actual DVD, but ONLINE?!?! OMFG how DUMB!!

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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8459 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1564 times:

Have PC Mag got you on a commission based on how many threads you can start linking to a story on their website or something Ted  wink 

User currently offlineRammstein From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1478 times:

I would say...

Owned!





User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1471 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 1):
how many threads

All two of them?

And if anything you should be suspicious of my support for Dvorak. If I liked him any more then I actually do I'd have a dvorak keyboard, be sending him snow globes, and tracking his flights  Wink


User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3085 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1462 times:

And that right there is why I will not pay for and download any type of software via the internet that could be purchased in store. There is no "hardware" so to say after the install. Also, that is extremely shady of Microsoft to not offer a repair cd to people who download the program, considering it is the only way to repair.

Although I just purchased my laptop back in September, I am feeling more and more certain my next one will not run a Microsoft OS.



Marine Corps Aviation, The Last To Let You Down!
User currently offlineLnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1608 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1383 times:

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 4):
Although I just purchased my laptop back in September, I am feeling more and more certain my next one will not run a Microsoft OS.

I work on computers for a living, and I have YET to find a reason as to why I should be hating MS.

If you configure your system properly, and don't buy obscure hardware, and keep yourself up-to-date, you're fine.

1011yyz



Pack your bags, we're going on a sympathy trip!
User currently offlineRammstein From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1357 times:

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 5):
work on computers for a living, and I have YET to find a reason as to why I should be hating MS.

Never had to configure networks of computers using different versions of Windows, like NT, 95-98, Windows Server 2003, etc., I guess?


User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1340 times:

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 5):
I work on computers for a living, and I have YET to find a reason as to why I should be hating MS.

If you configure your system properly, and don't buy obscure hardware, and keep yourself up-to-date, you're fine.

If you're happy to configure your network and your systems exactly how Microsoft want you to configure them, rather than how YOU want to configure them, and if you're happy to work with a restrictive, unintuitive, and locked down environment, then you will have no reason to hate Microsoft.

If, however, you want to have some say in how your systems run, you'd do well to look elsewhere.

Quoting TedTAce (Thread starter):
I'm sorry but only an idiot does an in place upgrade 'online' from OS version to OS version ESPECIALLY with Microsoft.

Absolutely, and even more so on Microsoft's part: the article is 100% correct in stating that Microsoft should provide DVDs to download customers if the rescue operation requires the presence of a DVD.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1327 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 7):
Absolutely, and even more so on Microsoft's part: the article is 100% correct in stating that Microsoft should provide DVDs to download customers if the rescue operation requires the presence of a DVD.

Which what I don't get is I KNOW for a fact there is an option to download and burn the DVD. Who in their right mind would choose installing their software to the HDD when they can burn a DVD (or 3) for redundancy?


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21487 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1304 times:

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 5):
I work on computers for a living



Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 5):
and I have YET to find a reason as to why I should be hating MS.

What would the multi-billion-Dollar industry do which is living purely on the failures and shortcomings of Microsoft if it wasn't for Windows? Looking for real work, maybe?

Better yet, what would the people do with their money who currently pay for this multi-billion-Dollar industry...?

Food for thought.


User currently offlineTmatt95 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1288 times:

The sad thing is that Mac has stoped trying to create amazing operating systems and has instead started to make themselves seem great by poking holes in the competition. This is a sad day and age when mac thread turn into bashing opertunities for Mac users  Sad .

Is the grass really as green on the other side as some mac users would have us believe.... I doubt it...

Anyway this is taking the thread way off topic.

Back on topic, I have found Vista to be a very stable OS, when trying it in PC WORLD. I also think that the sidebar is great as you can see it alongside open programs. I must admit to have not upgraded so I do not know what it is like.

Matt


User currently offlineMaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1283 times:

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 5):
I work on computers for a living, and I have YET to find a reason as to why I should be hating MS.

You should be loving Microsoft.... Every time the clueless crash and burn, they have to call you..... It's called job security....

Quoting Klaus (Reply 9):
What would the multi-billion-Dollar industry do which is living purely on the failures and shortcomings of Microsoft if it wasn't for Windows? Looking for real work, maybe?

Better yet, what would the people do with their money who currently pay for this multi-billion-Dollar industry...?

Food for thought.

 checkmark 



The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3085 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1276 times:

Quoting Lnglive1011yyz (Reply 5):
I work on computers for a living, and I have YET to find a reason as to why I should be hating MS.

If you configure your system properly, and don't buy obscure hardware, and keep yourself up-to-date, you're fine.

I am surprised you claim that if you indeed work with computers for a living. It is almost common knowledge that Mac is a superior product to anything Windows. Furthermore, the customer service at MS, along with their new OS, is proven to be shit. And it's only a month old.



Marine Corps Aviation, The Last To Let You Down!
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21487 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1278 times:

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 10):
The sad thing is that Mac has stoped trying to create amazing operating systems

Apple, you mean? And no, they haven't stopped, as anybody could attest who's actually using the system. Quite the opposite, in fact - they're still accelerating!

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 10):
and has instead started to make themselves seem great by poking holes in the competition.

Not really - they're simply pointing at the holes which are already there!  mischievous 

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 10):
Is the grass really as green on the other side as some mac users would have us believe.... I doubt it...

It doesn't hurt to check for yourself. And most people who did have switched.

Could that be a hint?  innocent 


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1267 times:

I am both a heavy computer user and administrator. For many years, it has been suggested that I only work on the administrative side of computers.

However, w/o knowing how the end user works, it is hard to figure out what they need. So I keep up with both.

I have found that most programs are done fairly well. BUT, the disconnect between programmer and end user keeps getting worse.

As example I give you AutoCAD. Great program for the most parts. But the examples given by AutoCAD as to how to DO something are way to lengthy. I have had to used the program to then give the users the easier way to get the end result, which is not what is given by AutoCAD.

Similar problems with Microsoft. Most of the offices work in a networked environment, but Microsoft still assumes that all users save their files to the local drive, instead of the network storage. Just plain dumb. Microsoft Office still has difficulties with network files, wher two files with the same name in separate directories are treated as similar files. No other programs give us this problem.

The worse part about this, as Microsoft already knows, is that Vista works very well WHEN INSTALLED IN A CLEAN SYSTEM. Therefore, downloading Vista as an 'upgrade' makes no logical sense.

I have personally found that Vista works good, even with programs that are not Vista compatible.


User currently offlineTmatt95 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1261 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):

Apple, you mean? And no, they haven't stopped, as anybody could attest who's actually using the system. Quite the opposite, in fact - they're still accelerating!

If it is so good, why then not just focus on how good a mac is and not on the faults of the windows computers. The latest ads tell Joe public nothing about Mac osx other than the fact that if it was a human, it would be some arrogant teenage yoof!!!  old 

Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):

Not really - they're simply pointing at the holes which are already there! mischievous

Every computer system has holes. You show me a perfect computer that will suit everyone and I will show you a liar  Wink

Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 10):
Is the grass really as green on the other side as some mac users would have us believe.... I doubt it...

It doesn't hurt to check for yourself. And most people who did have switched.

Could that be a hint? innocent

I would if I could justify the spending for the hardware return that I would be getting. The lack of compatabuility with software on OSX would also be an isue for me.

Matt


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1262 times:

Quoting Rammstein (Reply 6):
Never had to configure networks of computers using different versions of Windows, like NT, 95-98, Windows Server 2003, etc., I guess?

Oh, don't you start! I'm just glad I finally, somehow, in a weirdly functioning sort of way, I got a small combined Windows 98 + Windows XP Pro network to run and share a common DSL connection through a self-made Linux router. It was a pain in the... well, lower intestine, especially file sharing. I didn't even dare attempt sharing printers before everything ran on XP. So I'd fully expect a combined XP/Vista network to be equally flawed... has anyone tried?

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 15):
Every computer system has holes.

True, but the various implementations of UNIX technology to this date have proven to be much safer than this swiss cheese called Windows. I simply don't agree that, barring pre-installed useful bloatware, the first thing you need to do with a brand new PC is to install firewall, anti-virus, anti-spyware and anti-whatnot software before you can even dream of (halfway) safely connecting to the M$ website for the latest "critical safety updates" and service packs.  banghead  If I had a Euro for every hour I've spent running these stupid installations and checks, I could go on a very nice holiday.

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 15):
I would if I could justify the spending for the hardware return that I would be getting. The lack of compatabuility with software on OSX would also be an isue for me.

As Klaus will undoubtedly point out, you can run Parallels Desktop for Mac and, if that fails, install Windows on a Mac. And BTW, software compatibility issues are everything but unknown between the various versions of Windows.

[Edited 2007-03-10 00:41:49]


Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1245 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 16):
has anyone tried?

Yep! Easy as pie. I have found that most of the problems I have with sharing have to do with user rights. The whole thing can get so confused, it is hard for me to describe it.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21487 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1234 times:

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 15):
If it is so good, why then not just focus on how good a mac is and not on the faults of the windows computers. The latest ads tell Joe public nothing about Mac osx other than the fact that if it was a human, it would be some arrogant teenage yoof!!!

The ads primarily tell people that their daily suffering is unnecessary. Have them check out the alternative and leave the decision to themselves.

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 15):
Every computer system has holes.

Sure. Some have a few, others are basically a sieve.

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 15):
I would if I could justify the spending for the hardware return that I would be getting.

As mentioned before, outside of cheap gaming PCs you won't have much to worry about.

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 15):
The lack of compatabuility with software on OSX would also be an isue for me.

What are you talking about? I just used my MacBook Pro to run a fully integrated multi-OS MacOS X server / Windows client presentation without the slightest glitch.

You have more choices on a Mac, including everything a Windows-only PC could do (most of which you won't need any more - there is a large and excellent selection of native tools and applications for nearly every purpose).


Okay, back to the regularly scheduled Windows desperation...


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1234 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 17):
Yep! Easy as pie.

Ah! So maybe Microsoft have indeed made some sort of improvement in that direction... of course, it's probably at the cost of various network safety loopholes.

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 17):
user rights

Another issue I've had with Windows - why can't the administration of various user accounts on one PC be easier? So that I could clone user accounts and give only one of them admin rights, configure a user account while logged on as an admin, set rights levels for individual accounts and so on? From what I remember from my last and only attempt at that, little if any of it was possible and it certainly wasn't intuitive. I guess other OSs don't allow for all of it either, but I'd expect the market leader *cough* to be a little ahead in terms of innovation... *COUGH*



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1227 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 19):
Another issue I've had with Windows

I think this answers both questions. I have had nothing but problems with user rights, as everything has to match for all this to work. You can even give the right to a user to access a machine, but the machine does not accept such user in another section.

It's crazy, and it has only been in the last few months that I have been getting the hang of all these settings. And no, MSFT has not improved this.


User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1204 times:

Here goes



again.


Dude posts an article about MICROSOFT Vista and predictably



comes a-callin.


I've always been wary of people who insist on cramming a product down your throat at any appropriate (and inappropriate) opportunity. Apple users are notorious for this and often feel they are 'superior' because of the computer they use. It's a fucking computer! It's not like Macs are a secret. If they were that great, they would be more popular. As it stands now, it's just a matter of preference.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1196 times:

Quoting WellHung (Reply 21):
Here goes Mac fanboy again.

 redflag  The first mention of the word "Mac" was in reply 10, to which "Mac fanboy" Klaus simply replied.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 10):
The sad thing is that Mac has stoped trying to create amazing operating systems

Apple, you mean? And no, they haven't stopped, as anybody could attest who's actually using the system. Quite the opposite, in fact - they're still accelerating!

So save your breath for the next time he actually does bring it up first.

Quoting WellHung (Reply 21):
Apple users are notorious for this and often feel they are 'superior' because of the computer they use.

Yeah right... and how many modding nerds, video game geeks and pimpled teenage Linux "gods" look at their computers like they are their children?

Quoting WellHung (Reply 21):
If they were that great, they would be more popular. As it stands now, it's just a matter of preference.

Not quite - it's a matter of not caring and buying what the vendor offers. Microsoft push their own products fiercely, but as you can see with Firefox even that doesn't guarantee success.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineTom12 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 1078 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1196 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
Apple, you mean? And no, they haven't stopped, as anybody could attest who's actually using the system. Quite the opposite, in fact - they're still accelerating!

Agreed. I recently got a new laptop with Windows Vista Home Premium on it and then after a discussion in Non-Av got inspired to go out and buy a mac. So, after ages going on at my mum i got a Macbook Pro.

http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObje...1677e1A8ecR12ITnySI2sz5k2CE/2.?p=0

It is a heck of a lot better than any laptop i have ever had. Not getting used to some of the things, like iTunes, hate it, but got media player so that was cool.

The Advent laptop i have is still the thing i am primeraly using but the Macbook is better. (I'm just more of a Windows fan, my mum will probably use the Macbook more)

Tom



"Per noctem volamus" - Royal Air Force Bomber Squadron IX
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21487 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1191 times:

Quoting WellHung (Reply 21):
I've always been wary of people who insist on cramming a product down your throat at any appropriate (and inappropriate) opportunity. Apple users are notorious for this and often feel they are 'superior' because of the computer they use.

Nope. A PC doesn't make you retarded. It just makes you feel as if you were.

A Mac just works.
Amazing that that's something that deserves to be mentioned!

Quoting WellHung (Reply 21):
It's not like Macs are a secret.

No. So why haven't you checked them out?

Quoting WellHung (Reply 21):
If they were that great, they would be more popular.

They are. While Windows is just past its peak, Mac sales are rapidly increasing - apparently closer to an exponential curve than to a linear one.

But then, the majority of people were smoking once. Does that make it a good idea?  eyebrow 

Quoting WellHung (Reply 21):
As it stands now, it's just a matter of preference.

And the fact that most people who actually know both prefer the Macintosh tells you what?


25 Post contains images WellHung : Who cares who brings it up? Is it in the Mac purchase contract that has to extoll the virtues every time the name gets mentioned? What happens if he
26 Post contains images Aloges : Just FYI, I read most of these computer threads... they interest me, plain and simple. They've actually changed my tune from "won't buy a Mac, can't
27 Post contains images Tmatt95 : When posting my reply I was certain that I had read the default "get a Mac"/ Mac is great/ You do not need Windowz/ Microsoft sux coments which I hav
28 Post contains images JetsGo : Must be nice being 16-20 and being able to drop a grand on a MS laptop, than another couple grand on a MacBook Pro.
29 BHMBAGLOCK : Are you running in a workgroup environment? If so, you should really consider stepping up to Small Business Server. It will absolutely fix this probl
30 Lnglive1011yyz : I never said that Mac's weren't superior.. as a matter of fact, I DO know that they are superior.. My point was merely stating that *I* have no reaso
31 AC773 : Bang on. As far as I'm concerned, Apple's software division stopped innovating in the mid-90s. OS X is one hell of an operating system, but Apple can
32 TedTAce : I just love where this thread went. I posted an honest admission that there was a blatant flaw (that EVERYONE should have seen comming) and you mac/PC
33 AC773 : Just adding to Tmatt's assertion, but whatever. Either Microsoft is just stupid, or they've paid absolutely no attention to the major OEMs over the l
34 Bagpiper : If I got what you were meaning correctly.... Ok, sounds good. So can you stop tooting Mac's horn? Let the product toot its own horn... that usually g
35 Post contains images Aloges : Nothing, I was just trying to counter WellHung's claim that Apple users were noteworthily more obsessed with their computers than others. If PC moddi
36 Rammstein : Don't forget the foundations of OSX: the great FreeBSD operating system.
37 Post contains images Klaus : One could surely debate that (even though Steve Jobs was leading that effort as well), but it's actually not the main point. MacOS X is not just its
38 Post contains images Bagpiper : lol only on A.net can you get a nuclear bomb out of a pop rock. Quite a bit of bang for the buck! But I digress...
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