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"300".... One Hell Of A Movie....Incredible  
User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1741 times:
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The battle of Thermopylae is mythic in it's retelling over the last 2500 years, and this visualization is incredible. The cinematographic techniques for rendering this film have reached a level of maturity and excellence that you can't tell it's a blue screen film. All you can tell is that the visuals are HUGE....

The story is basic and unless you really understand that the battle of Thermopylae allowed the Greeks to evacuate Athens prior to the arrival of the Persians (who sacked the place, but missed the population and the navy)...who went on to defeat at Salamis the next summer allowing for the setup for the final battle and ultimate defeat of Xerxes which is probably the difference between this post being in English rather than Persian. There is obviously dramatic license taken, but the story is hard and fast, and takes no prisoners.

It was adapted from the graphic novel "300" by Frank Miller (a god/king among writers) and had his stamp of approval as he was involved in the entire thing.

One more thing....it's got the uber-liberal section of film critics crying out how it's too violent and a paean to conservatives....I don't think it is. It's a film that attempts to graphically display the battle where there was by all accounts incredible gore and violence perpetrated by some of the most adept humans to ever practice close combat. And it's fundamentally historically accurate. A determined stand by a small group of men allowed for the preservation of what became our democratic firmament.

Go see this film and post what you think here.

[Edited 2007-03-11 01:15:59]


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User currently offlineThePalauan From Guam, joined Oct 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1728 times:

I thought it was sweeeet.

The violence in the movie isn't what you'd usually see in a war epic. It kinda takes on a cartoonish characteristic where it comes out almost like blobs of jelly suspended in air as they slow the camera down to show the graphic detail. Not one to spoil the movie for others, let's just say it's better than Troy (if you've seen it, that is...).



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User currently offlineGAIsweetGAI From Norway, joined Jul 2006, 933 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1719 times:

There's just one little thing that irks me:
300 against 1'000'000 makes an average of 3'333 "bad guys" killed per "good guy". Isn't that slightly too much?

(BTW I haven't seen the movie, just the ads.)



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1718 times:

A fairy tale? I should bring my 6 year old nephew to see it.  Silly

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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1707 times:
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Much better than "Troy".

As to the numbers, well they vary...but lets say it was at a minimum 100 to 1 at close violence. Still overwhelming odds.

It's generally accepted that Xerxes had the biggest army anyone had ever seen. I've seen the terrain at first hand, and if the sea was that close to the mountains then it was very bad for the Persians if they faced skilled defenders and such a bottleneck. Spears and swords....blood and guts to the max and maximum opportunity to get cut and gouged.



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User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1703 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 4):
Much better than "Troy".

Any movie is better than Troy.  Smile

But yes, I saw this movie last night at the regular Edwards Cinimas with the nice surround sound. Tomorrow I am watching it again at the IMAX. All I can say is wow! That movie was so freakin awesome! It only was 1h 50m but about 80% Battle scenes. Truley amazing work.

I do not want to say to much more becuase a lot of people have not seen it yet. But once it has been out for awhile. I will say my favorite parts  Smile


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User currently offlineFlyUSCG From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1690 times:

Quoting GAIsweetGAI (Reply 2):
There's just one little thing that irks me:
300 against 1'000'000 makes an average of 3'333 "bad guys" killed per "good guy". Isn't that slightly too much?

I caught a show on the history channel about it the other night and they put the Persian dead at somewhere around 20,000. I assume it is commonly known that the 300 were eventually all killed. So they didn't kill Xerxes entire army. And one of the naval battles (I forget which one) had about 800 Persian ships against 200 Greek ships with the Greeks winning. I also saw the movie last night, pretty damn good!



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User currently offlineGAIsweetGAI From Norway, joined Jul 2006, 933 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 6):
I caught a show on the history channel about it the other night and they put the Persian dead at somewhere around 20,000. I assume it is commonly known that the 300 were eventually all killed. So they didn't kill Xerxes entire army.

That explains it I guess.

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 6):
And one of the naval battles (I forget which one) had about 800 Persian ships against 200 Greek ships with the Greeks winning.

Impressive as well, but the ratio of Greeks to Persians is slightly more believable: 1 to 4, and the Greeks knew their terrain well.



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User currently offlineCOIAH756CA From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 506 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

I saw it with my kid last night..

It was literally one of the best movies I have seen in a while. Wow.. The filming, graphic material, and acting were all well done.

I will gladly go see it again.



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1664 times:

Quoting DL021 (Thread starter):
It's a film that attempts to graphically display the battle where there was by all accounts incredible gore and violence perpetrated by some of the most adept humans to ever practice close combat.

Maybe we can get a REAL movie about Vlad the impaler instead of this Bram Stoker  redflag 


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1611 times:
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Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 5):
Any movie is better than Troy.

Clearly you have yet to see "Wing Commander" or "A Night at the Roxbury"....

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 5):
Tomorrow I am watching it again at the IMAX.

That's where I'm seeing it next...... I can't wait.

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 5):
I do not want to say to much more becuase a lot of people have not seen it yet.

Well, the thing about this movie is that we all know how it ends....it's hard to find spoilers here..... sort of like a movie about the Alamo or the Titanic....

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 6):
And one of the naval battles (I forget which one) had about 800 Persian ships against 200 Greek ships with the Greeks winning.

This was the battle of Salamis. The Greeks (Athenians mostly) built their navy and sailed it from Athens before the Persians could reach them in port (where they would have burned the Athenians vessels) and they faced Xerxes inexperienced and more superstitious navy and overwhelmed them with superior vessel design and tactics. The Persians could not compete on the water in spite of their truly awesome numbers.

Quoting GAIsweetGAI (Reply 7):
Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 6):
And one of the naval battles (I forget which one) had about 800 Persian ships against 200 Greek ships with the Greeks winning.

Impressive as well, but the ratio of Greeks to Persians is slightly more believable: 1 to 4, and the Greeks knew their terrain well.

No one is completely certain about the numbers, but the ratio you mention is the modern minimalist interpretation. The Persians had alot more ships and men afloat, but the Greeks were much better sailors and could fight their vessels better than the Persians who were more scared of the water than the Greeks.



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1580 times:

Quoting GAIsweetGAI (Reply 2):
300 against 1'000'000 makes an average of 3'333 "bad guys" killed per "good guy". Isn't that slightly too much?

It wasn't just 300 defending the pass.

300 Spartans, along with a few thousand Thespians, Arcadians, Thebans (who later deserted to the Persians), Phocians, Mantineans, Corinthians, and Tegeans (somewhere between 4200 and 7000 total), held the pass at Thermopylae against somewhere between 200,000 and 4 million men (Herodutus said a total of 2.6 million), for four days.

After the Greek betrayal, most of the other Greeks left Thermopylae, and only the 300 Spartans and 700 Thespians stayed behind to defend it.

[Edited 2007-03-11 08:21:50]

User currently offlineTIA From Albania, joined Mar 2006, 524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1569 times:

My problem with this movie was that it was trying to be two things at the same time, historical and some sort of sci-fi, comic thing. All the freaks made it look as if the Spartans were fighting some type of monsters found in sci-fi movies. It ended up being pretty far from the the truth. Don't go to watch this movie to brush up on your history, but rather to catch some pretty awesome fight scenes.

User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1521 times:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 11):
Thespians

Amazing the accuracy of the film then with all those 'extras'  duck 


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1509 times:
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Quoting TIA (Reply 12):
All the freaks made it look as if the Spartans were fighting some type of monsters found in sci-fi movies. It ended up being pretty far from the the truth

To be fair I believe they were combining good storytelling with an intent to show this movie from the viewpoint of the Greeks who heard the tale retold (and evidently there were a few survivors left beyond the one, and they returned by foot spreading the stories as they went). From the perspective of the Spartan hoplite elephants would have been monsters, and a man over 6 feet tall would have been a giant (the average height of men those days was considerably less than today). The armor and accoutrements of their enemies would have appeared very strange and been reinforced in their minds by the stories they'd heard (started by the Persians and spread by everyone else) that magnified their real puissance with superstition based fear of the unknown....which always forbode badly.

If you had never been outside of some rural village two hundred miles outside Tirana (or better imagine it 30 years ago before the information revolution) which still did not have a good television signal or even reliable electricity, and you were to be visited by the crowd that gathers everyday next to Fishermans Wharf in San Francisco, or on Times Square.....would not you be somewhat freaked out? Now imagine yourself 2500 years ago without the benefit of modern education and exposure to this thing called the internet. You'd see monsters, too.

Hell, the Carthaginians brought war elephants into Europe 500 years later and were still freaking out the Romans.

[Edited 2007-03-11 16:39:58]


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User currently offlineOkees From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 424 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1480 times:

The movie is based on historical events, but the movie isnt made to retell history, therefore its not a historical movie. (i think). Watched the movie in IMAX, and i gotta say that the production was amazing. But, i was dissapointed. The acting was mediocre, and the movie had a lot of Lord of the Rings moments. The elephants, the rino, the way the two youngsters were joking around while fighting..
A lot of people compare it to gladiator for some reason, but it has nothing on gladiator.
Oh the whole movie was made on blue screen here in Montreal. The actors never left the studio! Probably one of the main reasons the effects and visuals were so stunning.

Overall, if the movie wasnt as hyped up as it was, and if i didnt have expectations that could not be met, i would have loved the movie. I tried to, but all i did was enjoy it! which i guess is good enough for now! haha



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User currently offlineTIA From Albania, joined Mar 2006, 524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1450 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 14):
If you had never been outside of some rural village two hundred miles outside Tirana (or better imagine it 30 years ago before the information revolution) which still did not have a good television signal or even reliable electricity, and you were to be visited by the crowd that gathers everyday next to Fishermans Wharf in San Francisco, or on Times Square.....would not you be somewhat freaked out? Now imagine yourself 2500 years ago without the benefit of modern education and exposure to this thing called the internet. You'd see monsters, too.

Two hundred miles outside of Tirana I would end up in Greece  Smile. But I get your point and I agree that the Persians might have looked like freaks/monsters to the Greeks and vice versa, and that the storytelling over the centuries has artificially magnified the differences between the two armies. However, now we know that the Persians didn't have an army full of people whose faces looked like they had used boiling water to wash them. I'm refering to the soldiers who were wearing those metal masks and were refered to as ghosts or smth, plus a bunch of other characters. And the reason why they did that in the movie had little to do with historical accuracy and more to do with creating a great fighting movie.


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1430 times:

Quoting TIA (Reply 16):
I'm refering to the soldiers who were wearing those metal masks and were refered to as ghosts or smth, plus a bunch of other characters.

I've read Herodotus' Histories and he recounts that a lot of the Persians were dressed in wild and fanciful ways that the Greeks had never before seen. He described ornate headresses and unusual weapons and odd hues of skin color.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

The Spartans clearly had great gyms and were really into body waxing. They also had excellent teeth whitening methods.

Interestingly enough, they were all played by Brits and Scots. Who, of course, looked incredibly Greek.

The Persians were played by Brazilians and an assorted motley collection of brown people from all over the globe - essentially the casting call in Hollywood must have been "looking for non-European gym bunnies." These people, of course, looked incredibly Persian.

The rest of the film looked like it was churned up by some computer geek who clearly used the same cheesy template used in the film "Troy."

But it was VERY VERY funny. Much like Apocalypto, after the 3rd head gets severed, it all turns into one big laugh fest. You can't wait for the next really gory evisceration. So, if you're into screaming hunky men all hacking each other to pieces while mouthing really, really, really cheesy dialogue, I strongly recommend it.

As we were leaving the theater, two rotund men were overhead jabbering "Yeah, you know, it just like the US in EYE-RAQ man."

Oy vey.


User currently offlineShakeZulaNJ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1380 times:

I saw it last night. I was getting really into it too. And then the fire alarm went off in the theater.  Sad First movie I go to in 7 months too!!

User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1353 times:
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Quoting TIA (Reply 16):
I'm refering to the soldiers who were wearing those metal masks and were refered to as ghosts or smth, plus a bunch of other characters.

Well, again...I say it was showing the Persians as the Greeks saw them in the retelling of the story....remember that it was narration.

Quoting TIA (Reply 16):
the reason why they did that in the movie had little to do with historical accuracy and more to do with creating a great fighting movie.

It certainly was a great movie in that respect.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 18):
The Spartans clearly had great gyms and were really into body waxing. They also had excellent teeth whitening methods.

Leave it to you.......

oy vey? dude.... stop it before you sound like the critics.......

who by and large hate this movie because they fear it'll make a case for the current administration on moral grounds.


$70,000,000 opening........biggest March opening ever.



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User currently offlinePalladium From Indonesia, joined Apr 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1349 times:

I like the part where the king of sparta asking " hey , you...what's your profession? errr I'm a blacksmith.... and you?....and you?......" .... SPARTA WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION? and everybody was answering the same word loud and inspiring.... i thought that's a bit funny.

" See, we even brought soldiers more than yours...." lol


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1335 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 20):
who by and large hate this movie because they fear it'll make a case for the current administration on moral grounds.

Moral grounds? Come on - you must be the last man alive in America today who believes that the current administration has any claims of owning any moral ground. On anything.

Unless the Iranians/Iraqis/Arabs are planning on marching on to Skokie with a military strength 1000x our own, then there is no case to be made for anything.

All I saw was a small band of uber hunky, ab-mastered Scot-Greeks fighting for their dusty part of Greece against well-armed silly Brazilo-Persians with an elephant complex (just what is it about elephants that the Persians, Hannibal and assorted political entities love so much?).

In fact, if anything it makes a case for small determined batallions up against a mighty foreign force trying to usurp their land. Now that might make the current administration afraid. Very afraid.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 20):
$70,000,000 opening........biggest March opening ever.

Well, Titanic was the highest grossing film of all times. And wasn't that just the best? After all it won a bazillion Oscars too!! And some people apparently pay good money to see and hear Celine Dion shatter their ear drums. Isn't she the best???

But I'm with you in that I had a mighty good time watching this film. Beats watching Yul Bryner ham it up as Pharaoh in the "Ten Commandments" any day.

It, however, had way too much computer generated crapola in it. To Mel Gibson's credit, he relied strictly on real filmed footage in Apocalypto.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1317 times:

Incidentally, Xerxes the Great was NOT a 7 foot tall, black-skinned tranny in Cleopatra makeup who wore tons of jewelry. Xerxes in the film looked more like a South Indian Tamil eunuch kept in the harems of many a Nawab in the 15th Century courts of Muslim-dominated Southern India.

Actually Xerxes was made out to look like RuPaul, a week after her Zoloft and Vodka had been taken away from her.

If you look at any of the art and documentation of the Achamenid (sp) dynasty that Xerxes came from, he was bearded, with Aryan features (after all, the Persians were of the same Caucasoid stock the Greeks were). It makes me wonder what Americans, clueless as most are about the rest of the world (sorry, but the truth is the truth - most of us are idiots irrespective of political affiliation), will say when they meet an Iranian who looks no different than an Italian or a Greek and say "hey, but you don't look like that Persian king dude." A lot of people, and I mean a LOT of people, too lazy to read abook will think that this film IS history.

Quoting DL021 (Thread starter):
A determined stand by a small group of men allowed for the preservation of what became our democratic firmament.

Our "democratic firmament" was not derived from Sparta. Historians of all stripes will agree that to a large degree it was derived from centuries of Athenian culture, as distinct from Sparta as Birmingham, Alabama is from Boston, MA. If anything, the Spartans hated the Athenians and vice versa. There was no notion of a United States of Greece - in fact, many of the Greek states sided with the Persians and other invaders over the years.

If the central tenets of Sparta became the basis of Western civilization as we know it today, there would be no "democratic firmament."

And maybe, those "uber-liberal" critics have actually STUDIED history and can see the distinction between entertainment (and entertaining it was, violent though it may have been) and the fuzzy "democratic firmament" halo that you're surrounding this film with (btw, what is an uber liberal critic as opposed to a liberal critic? Someone who laughs at Michael Medved instead of just ignoring him?)

I think you're getting totally carried away. The film was gore and fun, but if you saw it as a bright beacon instilling fellow Americans to fight for "democracy" and come back either with their shields or on them then that is really very, very, very troubling and scary.

But it was hilarious when that B-grade buxom starlet (perfect example of tits on sticks I've seen in years in a movie) said it.

I wish it was Angelina Jolie in that role. Maybe she was busy adopting another kid somewhere when they made that movie that weekend.

[Edited 2007-03-12 01:54:01]

User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1301 times:
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Quoting Jaysit (Reply 22):
Quoting DL021 (Reply 20):
who by and large hate this movie because they fear it'll make a case for the current administration on moral grounds.

Moral grounds? Come on - you must be the last man alive in America today who believes that the current administration has any claims of owning any moral ground. On anything.

Read the quote......and no, I'm not the last man in America to think so. What I said was that some critics are whining that this movie supports the administrations position in Iraq.

Don't be defensive....

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 22):
just what is it about elephants that the Persians, Hannibal and assorted political entities love so much?).

That, in general, they scared the hell out of their enemies and were difficult to stop. Hell, the riders had to have a spike built into the saddle so that they could drive it into to elephants brain if it started an out of control rampage. An armored elephant is difficult to stop and breaks up enemy infantry squares rather effectively.

Titanic was spectacular, if not a great film (in my opinion)....just like Monte Carlo is sort of spectacular to see if not worth the effort or cost (in my opinion).

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 23):
Actually Xerxes was made out to look like RuPaul

He did sort of look like RuPaul or Lady Chablis

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 22):
It, however, had way too much computer generated crapola in it. To Mel Gibson's credit, he relied strictly on real filmed footage in Apocalypto.

I have yet to see Apocalypto....I was too pissed at him to give him money at the box office. I heard it's got great cinematography........ I've got no problem with the way they made this, as it was a comic book-to-film conversion and this to me was an appropriate way to get Miller's vision onscreen without haveing to make some wholesale changes.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 23):
Our "democratic firmament" was not derived from Sparta

I never said it was. The Athenian system was defended on the ground by Sparta (ironically, as that martial society was generally warring with Athens over piddly shit) and Greek democracy was where we got the roots to ours.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 23):
after all, the Persians were of the same Caucasoid stock the Greeks were

Well, they did intermix more with Asians and had darker complexions as well as having soldiers from all over their empire. The Persian empire took from everywhere and is said to have employed not only subjugated nations but mercenaries from the Far East.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 23):
And maybe, those "uber-liberal" critics have actually STUDIED history and can see the distinction between entertainment (and entertaining it was, violent though it may have been) and the fuzzy "democratic firmament" halo that you're surrounding this film with (btw, what is an uber liberal critic as opposed to a liberal critic? Someone who laughs at Michael Medved instead of just ignoring him?)

Ah...you mention the only conservative film critic I can think of.....no...I was referring the more-than-usually liberal media types who started whining about the intent or effect of the film and intended to cut it off at the pass.

You are reading more into things I didn't say, and less into the truth about what I said.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 23):
I think you're getting totally carried away.

I think that you spent the entire last post contradicting something I did not really say. Go back and re-read what I did say. I know the history of where our democracy comes from, and the Battle of Thermopylae is a hugely important one for western civilization. Without it the Persians may have been able to catch the Athenians in port and destroyed the only real chance Greece had at that point, which was it's navy.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 23):
I wish it was Angelina Jolie in that role. Maybe she was busy adopting another kid somewhere when they made that movie that weekend.

She did her thing in Alexander....which I'm sure you liked better.

Listen...this movie happens to be about a topic in which I have been interested since I first heard the story as a child, to the point that I've been there to walk the terrain and see what was there 2500 years ago (it's changed considerably since then, with silt filling in the sea to create land extending for a couple of kilometers from the edge of the mountains) and I've been a Frank Miller fan since the 80s.... (shit....I'm getting old).... This movie for me is a double whammy and it's got enough things I haven't seen done that way yet that it's got me wanting to see it again.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 23):
But it was hilarious when that B-grade buxom starlet (perfect example of tits on sticks I've seen in years in a movie) said it.

Dude...I don't know where you get B-grade from. She's first class, and her performance was not over the top considering who she was playing. Take a look at her IMDB. She may not be the highest paid or anything but she's good and up-and-coming. Everyone starts from nothing....well, most everyone.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 23):
a bright beacon instilling fellow Americans to fight for "democracy" and come back either with their shields or on them

Just for the sake of argument, and perhaps this is another thread (so let me know if you start one) what's wrong with the idea that our servicemen and women who fight for our democracy should either return with or on their shields. It means don't surrender...don't quit. I'd say that philosophy is instilled in our soldiers already, and it partially came from the Spartans (who have been emulated and copied for the last 3000 years by some of the worlds most elite military forces).

Listen, I know that the Spartans were Greek (for what it's worth the Athenians were not the only Greeks to engage in male physical affection....the Spartans seemed to be more up for it because the women weren't tough enough for the military school the boys were in for 10 years after their 7th birthday). I know they had their own little world for their city-state. I understand that this movie shows them only in the best light, and sublimates most of what was primitive or what we would consider barbaric about them. I know they weren't a real democracy (although they did have an elected council to accompany their kings).

But this is one hell of a movie, and the ideals it showcases are not bad ones. And it was a great rendering of Frank Miller's version of this story.

If all you saw were buffed up actors who shaved and got really close to each other, then that's your perspective overwhelming the intent of the film. But that's why there's different opinions....so we can share and argue here.



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25 DL021 : Oh, and seriously, go back and re-read my first post and the ones thereafter. I think you overreact or at least infer incorrect meaning to my words th
26 Waterpolodan : All arguments about the accuracy and morals of the movie aside, I gotta say I loved this movie! Particularly the first large fight scene where the per
27 DeltaRules : Ended up going to see 300 last night at the last minute & it was well worth the $6 I paid to get in. This is one of the best movies I've seen in a lon
28 EWRCabincrew : We are going to see it in IMAX. This will be our first movie in many years. Really looking forward to it. That and there is something to be said for s
29 FXramper : Huge understatement. Wouldn't even put the two films in the same category. Saw 300 a few hours ago at IMAX. Absolutely brilliant. Excellent retelling
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