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Fred Thompson.. A Conservative I Can Vote For?  
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

I haven't done the research yet, but from what little I know he's an ok guy. Granted I'd prefer Christopher Walken if we are going to elect an actor turned president again, but hey, this could be ok.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17576578/
[quote]Actor Fred Thompson considers 2008 run
Former GOP senator and star of 'Law and Order' to decide in coming months[quote]

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User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Thread starter):
Granted I'd prefer Christopher Walken if we are going to elect an actor turned president again, but hey, this could be ok.

In need of more cowbell in your neck of the wood, Ted?


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2323 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 1):
In need of more cowbell in your neck of the wood, Ted?

I got a fever.


User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Thread starter):
Granted I'd prefer Christopher Walken if we are going to elect an actor turned president again, but hey, this could be ok.

 rotfl 

Fred Thompson does look good so far, to me.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 2):
Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 1):
In need of more cowbell in your neck of the wood, Ted?

I got a fever.

And the prescription is?

-R


User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 3):
And the prescription is?



[Edited 2007-03-12 18:04:20]

User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2307 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 2):
I got a fever.

Answers this:

Quoting TedTAce (Thread starter):
this could be ok.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21421 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Thread starter):
I haven't done the research yet, but from what little I know he's an ok guy.

His stance on the issues, on the other hand.....  no 

-Mir



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
His stance on the issues, on the other hand.....

Such as? What concerns you?

I haven't done the math yet on him versus the others. So far he's ok in my book for his classic line in The Hunt for Red October..."Son, a Russian doesn't take a dump without a plan." Seriously though I think he's a pretty straight talker when compared to other politicians of any party.



"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 7):
Such as? What concerns you?

Quoting from the cited article:

"Is "pro-life," and believes federal judges should overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade abortion rights decision as "bad law and bad medical science.

Opposes gay marriage, but would let states decide whether to allow civil unions. "Marriage is between a man and a woman, and I don't believe judges ought to come along and change that."

Would pardon former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby's conviction for perjury and obstruction of justice now, rather than waiting until all his appeals are exhausted. Thompson is a fundraiser for Libby's defense."

For starters...


User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2287 times:

I know Fred Thopson on his positions. He is certainly someone I could vote for. If he gets in the race I could see my support swing from Rudy to Fred. Of course, the first primary is so far away none of this means anything yet.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 7):
So far he's ok in my book for his classic line in The Hunt for Red October..."Son, a Russian doesn't take a dump without a plan."

Yes I have to say that's probably my favorite Fred Thopson line as well.


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

Ok, for starters...

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 8):
"Is "pro-life," and believes federal judges should overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade abortion rights decision as "bad law and bad medical science.

While I'm pro-life (are you ever really pro-death?) I think Roe v. Wade should be overturned due to a crazy little thing we don't seem to get a shit about anymore...the 10th Amendment to the Constitution. There is no reason why it should have ever been handled at a Federal level.

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 8):
Opposes gay marriage, but would let states decide whether to allow civil unions. "Marriage is between a man and a woman, and I don't believe judges ought to come along and change that."

I'm really getting tired of the whole gay marriage thing and the stance from the GOP. I'm conservative and I don't give a damn if some gay guys or lesbians get hitched. Whether I'm pro-gay or anti-gay doesn't matter since them getting married doesn't affect my life, liberty, or property rights. When it does affect those thn I'll get concerned. Until then I say let them get married and join us straight folks in misery.



"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2271 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
are you ever really pro-death?

Well, the argument of how to reconcile one's position on the death penalty and abortion does cloud the issue at times. Mainly if one is pro-choice and anti-death penalty. Curious to see where he stands on the death penalty, but I think I can guess.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
I'm really getting tired of the whole gay marriage thing and the stance from the GOP. I'm conservative and I don't give a damn if some gay guys or lesbians get hitched. Whether I'm pro-gay or anti-gay doesn't matter since them getting married doesn't affect my life, liberty, or property rights. When it does affect those thn I'll get concerned. Until then I say let them get married and join us straight folks in misery.

Well stated.

To be fair, Thompson seems like an up-front enough guy, and I respect that, but there are enough platform issues that I disagree with for me to consider him at this point. Maybe he'll flip-flop.  Wink


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2267 times:
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Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
His stance on the issues, on the other hand.....

He's actually a lawyer turned actor. He was one of the attorneys in the Watergate hearings, and he has been heavily involved in politics since way before he ever got an acting gig.

It's not like he gained note first as an actor. That lends some credibility towards him,

The left will have plenty of ammo against him, which will give him good conservative credentials (since the far left will attack him pretty strongly) but he'll have some good appeal to the middle.

I like him, and saw from some of his Senate career that he's fairly moderate compared to some.



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User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
While I'm pro-life (are you ever really pro-death?) I think Roe v. Wade should be overturned due to a crazy little thing we don't seem to get a shit about anymore...the 10th Amendment to the Constitution. There is no reason why it should have ever been handled at a Federal level.

That's the best summation of my stance as well.

But don't you know DeltaGator if you're against Roe v. Wade you're a religious extremist, no matter what your reasons.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
I'm really getting tired of the whole gay marriage thing and the stance from the GOP. I'm conservative and I don't give a damn if some gay guys or lesbians get hitched. Whether I'm pro-gay or anti-gay doesn't matter since them getting married doesn't affect my life, liberty, or property rights. When it does affect those thn I'll get concerned. Until then I say let them get married and join us straight folks in misery.

LOL. But I have to disagree with you there.

I'm libertarian enough to agree with Fred Thompson about Civil Unions. I think it is wrong for judges and courts to decide take legislative duties unto themselves. If gays and lesbians want hospital visitation rights, inheritance and the like, the legal contract that is recognized by states can be modified. But Marriage is a specific anthropological, legal and religious institution. The anthropological definition of marriage which BTW is the broadest definition, encompassing, Polygamy and Polyandry where it is practiced in the world, still shows that no culture defines a relationship between two people of the same sex as marriage. All other criteria are based on the laws and customs of the culture, but no culture has same sex marriage.

From the little synopsis of Fred Thompson's views on the issues I'd say I like his positions. I can't wait to see what he does.


User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2263 times:

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 13):
I think it is wrong for judges and courts to decide take legislative duties unto themselves.

A fair Libertarian view, but:

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 13):
If gays and lesbians want hospital visitation rights, inheritance and the like, the legal contract that is recognized by states can be modified.

And will be challenged in courts with Judges present.

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 13):
But Marriage is a specific anthropological, legal and religious institution.

If it's legal, then that means Judges and courts will become involved at some point.

Why in this case? Because someone forgot about the separation of church and state and made a legal representation of marriage that considered religion.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2261 times:

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 8):
"Is "pro-life," and believes federal judges should overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade abortion rights decision as "bad law and bad medical science.

I'll accept the argument that educated people can disagree on the Constitutionality of Roe v. Wade but is there any doubt that the fetus is alive at some point between conception and viability (viability being arbitrarily defined by the third trimester in the Roe logic)?

If alive, then why doesn't the fetus deserve the very same constitutional protections the mother seeks to enforce?

Religion, morality and I think . . . have no place in this debate. The abortion matter as it appears before the judiciary should be argued purely on the constitutional arguments. The pro-choice position's problem in doing this is that they can't get past the first issue - they can't ever conceed, however absurd their position is, that a fetus is alive while still in the womb.


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9264 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
His stance on the issues, on the other hand..... no

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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2249 times:

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 13):
But don't you know DeltaGator if you're against Roe v. Wade you're a religious extremist, no matter what your reasons.

It does seem that way doesn't it some times? Quite sad that rational thought from someone in the middle of the road elicits such a response. The reverse goes for folks wanting to keep Roe v. Wade and how they just have to be commie, pinko, baby-killers.

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 13):
I'm libertarian enough to agree with Fred Thompson about Civil Unions. I think it is wrong for judges and courts to decide take legislative duties unto themselves. If gays and lesbians want hospital visitation rights, inheritance and the like, the legal contract that is recognized by states can be modified. But Marriage is a specific anthropological, legal and religious institution. The anthropological definition of marriage which BTW is the broadest definition, encompassing, Polygamy and Polyandry where it is practiced in the world, still shows that no culture defines a relationship between two people of the same sex as marriage. All other criteria are based on the laws and customs of the culture, but no culture has same sex marriage.

Ok, I see your point but I look at it this way.

Marriage is two things. One religious and one secular and they are both binding contracts. IMO you should only be required to have the secular one to have the "benefits" that gay folks claim (and in lots of cases they do have a point) they are lacking.

1. The religious side is a contract between you, your partner, and the church that you attend. If you are an atheist, agnostic, or just don't give a damn if whatever you consider God, Allah, etc. cares or doesn't care about your life then don't get this contract. If you're gay and Catholic (as an example) and don't like that your church won't accept you an your partner then by all means feel free to find another church that does. At some point you have to pick which is more important to you...your partner or a church dogma you are in direct disagreement with.

And for the folks that start down the "slippery slope" of what next...do we let the queers marry their well hung Great Dane or GKirk marry his wonderfully sexy ewe?...I say read on...

2. The secular side of the house is a legal contract between two parties that have the ability to enter into a contract. This should be the only damn thing our government cares about. Whether you be male or female, FF, or MM as long as you meet the requirements to enter into a legally binding contract that should be the only thing that matters.

Since only folks that can enter into a contract would be allowed you then get rid of the 12 year olds getting married off to a pervert leader of a cult, guys marrying sheep, and women marrying the mule down the street.

Just my opinion...I could be wrong.



"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2234 times:

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 14):
Why in this case? Because someone forgot about the separation of church and state and made a legal representation of marriage that considered religion.

Marriage has always been a quasi-legal and religious institution. i.e. dowries, arranged marriages and the like. It is an institution that in every culture has had one foot in each realm. It only became a problem when OUR legal system separated church and state. (Not that I think separation of Church and State is a bad thing but it did have unintended consequences.)

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 17):
One religious and one secular and they are both binding contracts. IMO you should only be required to have the secular one to have the "benefits" that gay folks claim (and in lots of cases they do have a point) they are lacking.

Which as far as I can tell is exactly what Civil Unions are. Which is what Fred Thopmson is for. However, because Civil Unions don't have the word marriage in them gay activists still aren't satisfied. You can't have everthing in this society, some just don't get that.

Frankly if we want to solve this issue to everyone's satisfaction marriage ought to be done the way the French do it. (Shocker coming from me who thinks the only thing the French so well is Whine and Cheese...oh and wine.)

Anyway in France you have to have a civil ceremony and you can also have a religious ceremony on top of that. If a couple want to have the legal rights of marriage they go for the Civil Union Homo or Hetero alike, but only Hetero couples can go on and have the religious certificate as well.

Solves the legal problem, and maintains the anthropological institution of marriage.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

Clearly this jackass is trying to present himself as the "TRUE" social conservative, given that Rudy is the kind of Republican most Dems would be happy to vote for, Mitt is a Mormon (thus, disliked by the usual cast of characters), and John McCain has flip flopped on the Cro-magnon stances beloved by the Christian right so often that he's become political poison to them.

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39659 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2216 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 19):
John McCain has flip flopped on the Cro-magnon stances beloved by the Christian right so often that he's become political poison to them.

What ever happend to the 'straight talk express'? Big grin


If Fred Thompson can keep Rudy from winning the nomination, then I am all for it.



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User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 19):
Clearly this jackass is trying to present himself as the "TRUE" social conservative



Quoting Jaysit (Reply 19):
Cro-magnon stances beloved by the Christian right so often that he's become political poison to them.

Ah... the open mindedness of the intellectually free, on display for all to see.

Those who don't believe in something will believe in anything.


User currently offlineItsonlyme From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

Well Chuck Hagel had his little press conference today, 'Im here to announance I will make an announcement . . .' sort of thing. Basically says he is undecided over what to do, but didnt rule out running as an independant, which could make things very interesting. Hes a very conservative guy, but of course is a sharp critic of the Iraq war, which could suck for the primaries. Straight talkin kinda guy, Vietnam vet, almost like where McCain was in 2000. Along with Thompson, certain groups on the right are trying to convince SC Gov. Mark Sanford to run.

User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 19):
Clearly this jackass is trying to present himself as the "TRUE" social conservative

Thanks for playing Jaysit but try again without being an ass. I'm sorry you're panties are in a bunch because you are a self-loathing gay man but give it a rest once in a while. When you state things in this manner people just look past your opinion as a joke.



"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 21):
Ah... the open mindedness of the intellectually free, on display for all to see.

Indeed.

Intolerance of the intolerant rid the earth of the flat earth society.

Of course die-hard 21st century Luddite bastions still exist, as this lovely forum reminds us on a daily basis. Indeed, "intellectual" and "free," let alone "intellectually free" are alien concepts to the rancid conservatives Mr. Thompson plans on pandering to.


25 UALPHLCS : No, actually it was intolerance of ignorance. There is a difference. however, I'm willing to bet you can't see the difference nor do you care. Which
26 Jaysit : Uh huh. Keep going. Those tired and trite lines have been tried condeming those who have a less than adoring view of the intolerance and ignorance of
27 Jaysit : I hear you. Although I like Rudy and if the choice was between an unelectable Democrat and Rudy Guiliani, I'd vote for Rudy any day. I don't buy into
28 Superfly : Rudy can kiss the bottom of my shoe. He wasn't all that "uniting" was mayor.
29 STLGph : the sad truth is, Giuliani has more support from the die-hard Democrats now than he does die-hard Republicans. McCain is almost the same way.
30 BCAInfoSys : See what I want to know is Thompson's position on the 2nd Amendment. Every single candidate out there, including Guilianni are a bunch of freakin' gun
31 Mir : Along the same lines as CastleIsland: Is "pro-life," and believes federal judges should overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade abortion rights decision as "ba
32 BCAInfoSys : So I did some more checking and it seems I may have a decent candidate after all. Fred Thompson has come down pretty solidly as an advocate for the 2n
33 GuitrThree : Fred Thompson ROCKS! I called this WAYYYYYY long ago.. From Thread #950896 Dated 9/26/2005 GuitrThree From United States, joined Oct 2004, 1058 posts,
34 Falcon84 : He's pro gun, he's pro-life, he's anti gay-marriage, he would pardon Scooter Libby, and, probably, if it came to it, Dick Cheney. A mixed bag from my
35 TedTAce : He would RAPE Giuliani. McCain would be a handful but a Thompson/McCain ticket would be tough to beat especially with the invariable mud slinging tha
36 DeltaGator : Interesting take on it. Since when did being a strict constitutionalist becomea bad thing?
37 OPNLguy : Funny, but another article I just read on this was subtitled "The Hunt for a Red October (as in "red" states); pretty clever on someone's part. As fo
38 BCAInfoSys : Good luck on that one. A.) People are just as religiously biased today as they ever were. B.) Romney doesn't even have the homecrowd that comes with
39 Falcon84 : Because I don't buy that it cannot be interpreted, because 1. none of us know what the Founding Fathers were thinking when they created it, and 2. Th
40 DeltaGator : Fair enough. I'm just a big proponent of the 10th Amendment and think we have gotten away from that one.
41 Post contains links OPNLguy : That would have to be supposition or anecdotal in nature, since that Church clearly appears to eschew involvement in politics: http://www.lds.org/lds
42 BCAInfoSys : I'd agree with you there, but there also needs to be some sort of consistency/harmony between the states and among the country as a whole.. I'm all f
43 Post contains images N229NW : Thanks for playing. Canada does, Belgium does, Netherlands does, Spain does, South Africa does. etc. I suppose you only count the "cultures" you want
44 AirTran737 : Fred Thompson is a hell of a narrator as well.
45 DL021 : I'd actually agree with that. Why? Stop the personal stuff. Jaysit is a standup guy when it counts, and you really can't prove he's self-loathing jus
46 CastleIsland : So a far right-winger as President, and a flip-flopper as VP. Moderate? How about inconclusive? How about you let gun control rest a bit and think ab
47 Post contains images DL021 : what...you think government is going to do good for most people? other than in maintaing the common defence or a justice system? Seriously.....stop b
48 Post contains images TedTAce : The fact you are reffering to that statment as Imagery tells me one thing beyond a reasonable doubt. You have spent too much time with Westy
49 Post contains images Allstarflyer : look pretty good. Two That almost makes me want to change from a registered independent to libertarian. He's a decent family guy. I'm not a Rudy-guy,
50 Disruptivehair : I like him as an actor; he's a bit one-dimensional but his characters are always entertaining. I wouldn't vote for him for president, though; too cave
51 UALPHLCS : Yes, why would you want anyone to actually follow the Constitution? Probably in 1789 when the Constitution was adopted, since it was written by Rich,
52 Post contains links and images DL021 : or too much time reading your posts.... hey....that's uncalled for.....we're modern guys who are just like you...only hairier and with nicer cribs...
53 Superfly : DLO21: Going off on another tirade? I am sure your fellow GOP southern voters will toss Rudy out of the race so he is a non-issue.
54 UALPHLCS : Right, because unlike Liberals Souther Conservatives are one issue voters. Is that what I'm supposed to believe?
55 Jaysit : LOL. My dear man, the only people who look at my opinion as a joke, are jokes themselves. You know who you are. Incidentally, my "opinion" if you wan
56 DL021 : Not as much as you do.....seriously. I don't know about that. If Thompson enters the race he'll be the most competition for Rudy as it stands right n
57 N229NW : Nope. Anthropologists have many definitions of culture, and actually arguing about it has been an important aspect of the field in the last forty yea
58 Post contains images CastleIsland : Do me a favor, and don't quote me when you spew your right-wing crap. Do the work yourself - go find the quotes and leave me the hell out of it.
59 Post contains images Superfly : Keep in mind, most of the early primaries and super Tuesday is early in the primaries. The winner in those primaries get the most media coverage and
60 Jaysit : Btw, didn't Fred Thompson date some blond tarty C&W singer awhile back. She was the same singer who had a thing going on with Troy Aikman. Gosh, going
61 DeltaGator : Not debating you here. The righties are plenty bad with the intolerance but the left surely isn't guilt free themselves. Whatever. Look fabulous all
62 UALPHLCS : Go ahead. Go to the database Anthropological Database Harvard University keeps, and look up marriage. Show me a culture in the world that has recogni
63 Jaysit : The left tend to be hypocrites. And often lazy. And generally quite stupid on most matters. And believe that wearing $500 jeans while screaming thems
64 UALPHLCS : Liberals tend to be the most intolerant people I know. And I know them, I live in a Blue State, my wife works in the Arts, and while I'm at parties l
65 Pope : I'll grant you that a reasonable argument, based in science and law, can be made that life does not begin at conception. But by the same token, I bel
66 DeltaGator : You make a compelling argument there Jaysit. I may not agree with it all but you did a good job getting your point across with this post versus the sn
67 DL021 : holy crap....reasoned discussion seems to have broken out. I'm going to wait and see what Thompson has to say in the upcoming days and weeks. dude....
68 Jaysit : I also call Rosie O'Donnell a pompous, fat twit. And think that Al Gore is a pompous bore. And I think that Clinton is a charlatan. And I find Nancy
69 UALPHLCS : First off...I like the wine. Second...I am artsy. Third, I listen to them but I'm not persecuted. I'll say it again, that attitude puts you right the
70 Superfly : Yep!
71 N229NW : Again, the issue is not where "life" begins. It actually seems clear to me that "life" begins more or less at conception. But an amoeba is "life" and
72 Pope : No. It's when human life begins. The "independent" aspect of your analysis has no basis in our Constitution. For example, Constitutional rights do no
73 CastleIsland : In conjunction with science as opposed to religion.
74 Pope : Absolutely. I've not once ever attempted to support or justified my position on this matter using morality or religion.
75 CastleIsland : And I wasn't trying to insinuate that you had. Problem is, the Supreme Court, as currently constructed, may be more swayed by religious beliefs than
76 N229NW : We are quibbling over semantics with the word "independent." Fine then, my definition of "human life" (for which I used the phrase "ingependent human
77 Post contains links Allstarflyer : I'll quote anyone, anytime, anywhere about anything, if I so choose. Calling my positions "crap" remains your ignorant OPINION (ignorant, in that you
78 Pope : But as the law currently stands a 8.5 month old fetus with a fully developed brain can be killed through partial birth abortion. The 3/5 provision wa
79 Disruptivehair : I don't consider myself a lazy stupid hypocrite, and I can't afford $500 jeans. I think capitalism is good, but I hate globalization because it's scr
80 Disruptivehair : That is such a gross mischaracterization of what actually happens. The procedure that you're mentioning is sometimes used on fetuses that died in the
81 Pope : But it is also sometimes used as an elective procedure. But the law should not rely on a doctor's subjective judgment on whether he or she is morally
82 Post contains images Allstarflyer : I appreciate Jaysit's honesty, because, in the past, I've taken him to be leftist. The truth is, a lot of Republicans fit the mantra you just laid ou
83 Pope : Though the effect is obviously beneficial for the unborn, I consider myself as advocating for the Constitution. I'm tired of liberals advocating an e
84 N229NW : Pope, you are a good debater, and I think there's an honest debate to be had on subjects like this. But don't play games; I haven't changed my defini
85 Pope : Again, you keep raising the issue of what people think. Constitutional law shouldn't be based on opinion polls. If that were the case, blacks would n
86 Zippyjet : At least on presence, and speach, Thompson has what it takes. He's command more respect than the current POTUS. He'd fly hypersonic circles around New
87 UALPHLCS : Pope it's hopeless. Distortion is what liberals do best and it's a tactic that apparently N299NW has picked up on very well. Look how he distorted wh
88 DL021 : Do you think he's an American first or a Mormon first, and if so why? Has he ever displayed any religious prejudices? Would you feel the same way abo
89 Itsonlyme : Barack Obama is not Muslim
90 Post contains links and images RJdxer : I have had the distinct pleasure of interviewing then Senator Fred Thompson several times. If he runs, he's got my vote. He is as an upstanding indivi
91 Post contains images OPNLguy : Maybe some folks are maybe mentally confusing Obama with Osama? Why? Do they have horns? (It's "Mormon", BTW)
92 Post contains images N229NW : Oops, you been relying on Fox news a little too much for your info? That's pretty sad... Let's go back a bit, shall we? 1.) There's no such thing as
93 UALPHLCS : Of course there is an anthropological definition of marriage. Marriage is one of the few institutions that is almost universal anthropologically. Yet
94 DL021 : Sad? No.....I was making a point. He was born of a Muslim father and has declared his Christianity.....but for people who are making their decisions
95 LogansGirl : States should be in control of "civil union" decisions, but isn't this political double speak at it's finest?
96 N1120A : I guess Constitutions don't matter either then.
97 LogansGirl : That is the Way it should be. What is legal, should be different from what "the Church" says is right. Which Constitution are you refering to? The st
98 Post contains images Mir : Legally however, I believe the Constitution of the United States takes precedence over the constitutions of the various states. And welcome aboard, b
99 LogansGirl : The Rights of the individual States is why we fought the "War of Northern Aggression"(a.k.a.the Civil War). I am a Confederalist. I believe the right
100 Post contains links RJdxer : Not anymore they don't... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070314/ap_on_re_eu/france_gay_marriage_1 What's even more disturbing, if you live in France...
101 FXramper : John it's against Anet policy to have more than one active account. I suggest you delete this account. Immediately.
102 Post contains images TedTAce : I guess you didn't get the memo that it's the 21st century and... you lost. While I agree with your first post that the marriages should be seperate
103 UALPHLCS : The US Constitution is the Supreme law of the land. But remember it is extremely limited by the 10th Amendment in the Bill of Rights: "The powers not
104 TedTAce : My whole problem with this is it's use as an excuse to not make a sound judgment based on one's experience. Last time I checked being a judge wasn't
105 UALPHLCS : That's not what Souter said. And in the context of his comments it was case overturning a lot of US precedent.
106 TedTAce : And I care about what he said why?
107 UALPHLCS : Uhm....Because he is a Justice on the Supreme Court, saying that he does use Foreign law to make decisions concerning US law. That's pretty significa
108 TedTAce : I guess you mis intrepreted what I meant by my re-action: I should have stated no precident in our system. My whole point being that given the lack o
109 UALPHLCS : Duly Noted.
110 Pope : I've made it quite clear that I believe that life begins before birth. On a purely personal level I believe that the argument can be made that drawin
111 Superfly : TedTAce: I still think Ron Paul is your candidate.
112 Post contains links TedTAce : Doing research on him: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.300: (a bill he sponsored) I'm not sure I like this His website is deviod of a
113 Post contains images Superfly : You can't clean up Washington. Yet you're impressed with Fred Thompson? He served in Washington as a Senator for 8 years and couldn't change a damn t
114 Post contains images FXramper : He was good in The Hunt for the Red October.
115 TedTAce : Believe it or not I still haven't researched him. I honestly know more about Ron Paul then Thompson now. I wanted to see other's reaction to him befo
116 AirCop : He does have a commanding television presence that puts every other politician look bad by comparison. While he served as minority counsel to the Sen
117 RJdxer : Lets face it, the Paul Harvey gig he's doing now is probably a lot more enjoyable to him than running around the country trying to get elected to an o
118 Zippyjet : Not a Muslim. What are Nomex pants? With our dumbed down society today, sadly it's image and popularity over the issues. Back in the 70s had Elvis no
119 RJdxer : Then Al Gore and/or John Kerry should be President since everyone knows President Bush can't put to multi-sylable words together in one coherent sent
120 Zippyjet : So folks a little spin from the right and Swift Boat mud slinging and much of America bought it hook line and sinker. And, had that failed all those
121 Post contains links Bezoar : Article out claims Fred Thompson has lymphoma. Many of these are readily treatable. http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/11/thompson.cancer/index.html
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