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User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 737 times:

I need a router for my computers at home (3) so they can all have DSL internet connections. I don't know much about routers, I have a hub but with that only 2 computers can have the internet access. What's a good brand for routers? Does 3Com make them? How much should I spend? Obviously it's not a huge network, so I don't need the top of line, I just want to get my moneys worth.

Thanks!!  Smile

Kris


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User currently offlineAussiemite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 700 times:

You don't need a router. What you need is to set up ICS on the PC with the WAN connection.

User currently offlineAussiemite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 700 times:

Which actually becomes a router.

I need a couple of cisco routers to train on.


User currently offlineNJTurnpike From United States of America, joined May 2000, 580 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 694 times:

ICS can be a flakey and unreliable solution. You might want to consider a few alternatives;

1 - Proxy software. I would suggest NetProxy from Grok Software http://www.grok.co.uk which has always worked well for me. I run it on my WAN-connected machine at home with two nics installed. Small footprint, user-mappable ports, very good software. Free for two machines!

2 - A hardware router, DLink, Linksys or similar. Recommend that you look for something with DHCP if you ever consider expanding your home network. Anything from US $100-$200

3 - A used Cisco with at least two LAN interfaces. A costly option, about US $300-400 on Ebay. But you are paying for the real deal.





User currently offlineAmerican_4275 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1076 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 687 times:

Why not just getting a hub with 5 inputs and? I got mine for about $40 then purchased Sygate for another $40 or so.

American_4275


User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 681 times:

Thanks guys.  Smile

American_4275:

I already have a 5 port hub, but my internet provider only gives me 2 static IP's. Therefore only 2 comps can use the DSL if I just use the hub. This was fine before because there was only 2 computers in the house. But now my sister has one too.

Regards,
Kris



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User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 677 times:

I've heard lots of people say ICS if flakey. How? I've not had any problems running ICS ...




VH-ADG


User currently offlineNJTurnpike From United States of America, joined May 2000, 580 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 665 times:

ADG, many people have experienced ICS issues when running Win98 Second Edition - specifically the Wizard itself. It doesn't seem robust enough for users like myself who have an extensive home network behind their broadbad connection.

Of course, it's different strokes for different folks. Nothing to say that your setup will be problematic.





User currently offlineSKYSERVICE_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1415 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 660 times:

I noticed you are from Canada like myself!

Who is your provider?

Rogers?
Sympatico?
Videotron?
Shaw?
Cogeco?

I set up a LAN in my house a couple months ago so I have some knowledge on doing this.

Let me know


User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5508 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 656 times:

You can get a router (Linksys, SMC or Netgear) for chicken-feed money these days- well under $100.00, especially as you already have a hub and thus don't need hub function in the router.

Do that, and you'll avoid issues of overhead on the ICS-server, you'll avoid having to have 2 NICs in the ICS box, you don't have to have the ICS server running all the time to allow access for the other machines.

It's just a better and more-stable solution all 'round.

If you need advice on this topic, go to http://www.dslreports.com and select the "Networking" forum- there is lots of good and well-documented advice there, including numerous threads on just this topic. You'll find all the info you'd ever need there.

Ciao, mein.



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineAussiemite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 656 times:

ICS flakey my ass, If ICS is flakey your not doing it properly, btw nobody uses the wizard.

I have setup win98se ICS on 2 occasions in business's where the people are 2 cheap to buy real software or real machines. Both are real estate agencies one is running 8 machines the other 11. both places are running over dialup.

If you really want use SyGate its a good product and the crack is easily available.


User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 650 times:

Thanks again guys!

SKYSERVICE_330:

My provider is Telus  Smile



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User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 634 times:

Go with the router solution above, rather than the NetProxy or similar software. The router will make your network appear like like a single computer to your ISP, while all your computers can be using the internet simutaneously. Most software approaches require one computer to be always on and acting like a router. Here is your basic architecture:

DSL--->DSL-Modem--->Router--->Your-Hub--->Your-LAN

Your-LAN can include computers, printers, etc., anything that can be attached to an ethernet. Your-Hub can also be a "switch" (eg a 5-way switch, 8-way switch, etc.), which allows multiple simultaneous connections. For example, two computers may be exchanging files while the third is sending data to a printer, without having to dodge hub traffic -- like going both north-south and east-west through an intersection without stopping.

I have a great home-based LAN with 4 computers and 2 printers, working like a charm. I use a cable-TV high speed connection. MyLAN even includes an ancient Appletalk branch (connected via an ethernet-to-Appletalk adapter) that allows adding old Apple brand computers (pre-1990) to the network.

Cheers,
Pete


User currently offlineAussiemite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 627 times:

YOU DO NOT NEED A ROUTER, USING SOFTWARE INSTEAD OF A ROUTER WILL NOT SHOW UP TO YOUR ISP YOUR RUNNING >1 MACHINE.

OK

All the IT professionals stand on one side of the room all the gamers and people who think they know what theyre doing on the other.

Now, all the pros, everyone with a CISCO or NOVELL certification stand on my side and everyone else shut up.

OH the 2 Australians myself and ADG are the only ones left.

for a home setup all you need is Windows ICS. some ISPs have issues with ICS so you might wanna go SyGate if worst comes to worse.


User currently offlineMetwrench From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 750 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (12 years 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 627 times:

Damn, thought you were asking about POWER TOOLS!



User currently offlineAussiemite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 623 times:

haha Metwrench, now when it comes to those routers Ive used one once so I'll let you take over  Big grin

User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5508 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 616 times:

Aussie-

Speaking only for myself (read above), while acknowledging that I am not an IT professional (any more- used to be...), I stand by the recommendations I made above, for the same reasons.

If nothing else, the significant amount of power consumed by PC left running all the time as an ICS server is wasteful. I have friends who recommend Wingate or such over ICS, but (come to think of it) they've never said why; they may just not like Bill Gates (!).

Now, OTOH, there are lots of people out there who have "extra" PCs sitting around which, while no longer useful for their original purpose (gaming, business apps, whatever) are still perfectly capable of sitting around and routing traffic- if one has such a machine in the closet, it could spend its life doing nothing but ICS.

If you are an IT professional, I do not imagine that you would recommend that a business which relies upon its 'Net connectivity rely upon an ICS box rather than a dedicated router... would you?



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineNJTurnpike From United States of America, joined May 2000, 580 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 612 times:

Sccutler - you're absolutely correct.

Aussie - I'm a CCNA, heading toward CCNP by the end of 2002, time permitting. Thanks for checking. Oh, and I guess the CNE who sits next to me should ditch his Linksys box for his home network? Before he bought his router, his point of access was a box running Novell BorderManager. You seriously expect him to use a Microsoft product? Zoiks.  Wink/being sarcastic



User currently offlineAussiemite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 8 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 597 times:

If you are an IT professional, I do not imagine that you would recommend that a business which relies upon its 'Net connectivity rely upon an ICS box rather than a dedicated router... would you?

No way, I have 3 real estate clients 1 of them will go all out they even have palmstops which they dial into head office with but the other 2 are ultra pov. They are running sub 166 Cyrix chips and everything about them is cheap. We recently prepared a server proposal and we made it a little cheapier. They end up buying some cheap POS with no OS and expect us to install a pirate copy of 98se. As for the other RE theyre running on Office XP on their cyrix 100 boxs (yes I know its not meant to be possible) we installed CD-ROM drives in each machine so they install it.

Either way we make more money from servicing these morons then we would from selling them new machines.

NJTurnpike:
you seriously expect someone who is asking about routers to use a Novell product? VonRichTofen wanted the cheapest way out it would be silly to not use something he already has. by the way I will hopfully be finishing CCNP by the end of this year as well.



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