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Busy Railroad Trestle Burns In Sacramento  
User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

This bridge, which crosses the American River near the California State Exposition in Sacramento, is the primary train route into Oakland. Over 50 Union Pacific and Amtrak trains used it every day. Union Pacific has already dispatching bridge construction equipment and crews to the site. A UP employee in another forum said that construction materials are already being delivered on-site, even before the fire is out.

Video: http://www.kcra.com/video/11265573/index.html



[Edited 2007-03-16 05:51:50]

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User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2145 times:

Shame, but happens. Its a shame other business's and governement agencies dont plan for disasters like this. I bet this thing will be fully functioning by the end of the weekend.

Oh and I have been on this spike.


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

I get the feeling you are interested in trains, ACM... Wink

Yes, this was/IS a big fire, I saw it as soon as I got out of the office, rushed home to see what it was. Essentially 300 feet of wooden trestle went up in flames at once. Quite a sight.

Of course, Jr. was appraised of the situation, saw it on the news that train tracks were burning. I took him outside, showed him the plume of smoke, and he asked 'We go there now?'. So later we did. Pretty impressive.

Unfortunately, this line is used for both Amtrak lines, and the Capitol Corridor, plus freight trains. I don't know how they are going to route them while the bridge is repaired.

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 1):
I bet this thing will be fully functioning by the end of the weekend.

Union Pacific already states that it would be weeks before it is fixed.


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2124 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 2):
I don't know how they are going to route them while the bridge is repaired.

I think UP will install a temporary wye at Marysville and place locomotives at each end. The trains could then detour over the old Western Pacific tracks (currently owned by UP). It's a quick fix until the new bridge is built.

I'll bet the new bridge will be done within three weeks. Look how fast the railroads repaired their damage around New Orleans.  Big grin


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 3):
I think UP will install a temporary wye at Marysville and place locomotives at each end. The trains could then detour over the old Western Pacific tracks (currently owned by UP). It's a quick fix until the new bridge is built.

Seems that this detour is not too bad.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 3):
I'll bet the new bridge will be done within three weeks

Me too. But originally some were speculating 6 months, so when UP said weeks I believed them.


User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

Hopefully they'll rebuild it out of concrete this time. Any idea how old the trestle was?


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User currently offlineHelvknight From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2088 times:

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 5):
Hopefully they'll rebuild it out of concrete this time.

I think that would take a lot longer than simply rebuilding the burnt out bit of the trestle

[Edited 2007-03-16 09:58:15]

User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 3):
I'll bet the new bridge will be done within three weeks. Look how fast the railroads repaired their damage around New Orleans. Big grin

Bridge replacement is a bit more involved than bridge repair. With Katrina, only CSXT got the worst of it with the bridge spans knocked off their piers. NS got track washed off the Ponchartrain bridge but that was about all for significant bridge damage. A trestle like this would most likely get a steel replacement (assuming they don't rebuild it with wooden pilings). Looks like a 3-6 week job.



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User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2576 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2062 times:

I'll admit that i'm very "train-stupid", but isn't the route for at least Capitol Corridor trains fairly unaffected by this, except for Roseville/Auburn? Thanks in advance for helping to see what i'm missing.

User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20352 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2033 times:

The KCRA video didn't work for me and I just saw the feed on MSNBC this morning. That was huge! The whole trestle was in flames!


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User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2006 times:

Quoting Johnboy (Reply 8):
but isn't the route for at least Capitol Corridor trains fairly unaffected by this, except for Roseville/Auburn?

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But the Amtraks up to Seattle and San Francisco are affected.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 9):
The whole trestle was in flames!

That plume of smoke was very visible. Some reports said you could see it 90 miles away.


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1993 times:

Here's a website with photos taken by a Sacramento railfan.

http://www.bnsffoamer.com/images/SacramentoFire/IMG_0453.jpg


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

IT'S STILL BURNING!

There is a nice plume of smoke still visible.

Amtrak service from Auburn indefinitely suspended.

Have not heard how they are going to reroute the freight trains, as this line goes directly into UP's Roseville Yard.


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1977 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 12):
Have not heard how they are going to reroute the freight trains

They're either going to put that wye in at Marysville or quickly upgrade an industrial siding just north of the trestle. All they have to do is lay 400 feet of track and install a switch and they can connect to the old Western Pacific main line that's 3000 feet west of the trestle.

http://www.zjstech.net/~library/4249/sacmap3_0001.jpg

Source: www.trainorders.com


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 13):

Great map. The fire area is about twice as large as you show it, as it starts right at the bridge (1910 vintage) and goes close to the industrial area.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 13):
All they have to do is lay 400 feet of track and install a switch and they can connect to the old Western Pacific main line that's 3000 feet west of the trestle.

I was looking at that area last night, that's probably the easiest way to go. And there is no residential zone close to this.


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

Update

You can still see smoke as of 3:30 pm local time.

UP says 1400 feet (1400!) will be replaced. Demolition will start tomorrow.


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

The wye at Marysville was installed today.

Mark


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1883 times:

UP crews have been removing what's left of the bridge today.





Source: www.sfgate.com


User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1873 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 2):
Union Pacific already states that it would be weeks

Ya I was being abit optimistic, but the fact that they had a plan and implement that plan before the disaster is over is what amazed me.


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1869 times:

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 18):
but the fact that they had a plan and implement that plan before the disaster is over is what amazed me.

They better have, this is a main line running thru town. The estimate is 30-40 million to replace, but as seen, the clearing has already started.


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 17):
UP crews have been removing what's left of the bridge today.

Hell, it would have been easier to clean up if they would have just let it burn completely down.


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 20):

Hell, it would have been easier to clean up if they would have just let it burn completely down.

It was estimated that this fire could burn for days, because of the creosote treatment of the wood. I assume that UP wanted to get going on this ASAP. Witness the cleanup beginning while the fire is still smoldering, if not burning. I can still see the smoke.


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1847 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 21):
It was estimated that this fire could burn for days, because of the creosote treatment of the wood.

Yeah, I know. And the EPA is probably already short-stroking over the fire anyway.


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

You can still see the smoke from my house, about 15 miles away.

8:00 pm Pacific Time


User currently offlineSleekjet From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2046 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

Here's a great picture, taken by Andrew Robb:

<http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/tim552/fire_at_crossing_jpg_87116.jpg>



II Cor. 4:17-18
25 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : The remains of the old one has been cleared way already.
26 Post contains links AndesSMF : Great article on the Sacramento Bee. First leg opened on Apri1, second a month later. http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/139681.html
27 Queso : Any word yet on what might have caused the fire? It would take more than sparks from something dragging to start that thing to fire.
28 AsstChiefMark : I've witnessed a hotbox start a creosote-soaked tie on fire. Also, when I was a kid, my dad (a railroad signal maintainer) showed me how a glass insu
29 AndesSMF : Firefighters still there mopping up. UP moving material to site. Delay of two hours due to reroute. Estimated million per day loss. 7th busiest route
30 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : Here's the new Marysville wye. You can see the new track and one of the new signals. Not bad for one day of work.
31 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : The new trestle is almost done.
32 KaiGywer : DAMN that's fast
33 AndesSMF : That's what she said!
34 Post contains images KaiGywer :
35 57AZ : Looks like steel pilings with concrete caps.
36 Post contains links and images AsstChiefMark : That's what it's made of. Here's a site with daily updates: http://www.uprr.com/newsinfo/2007/sacramento_bridge.shtml [Edited 2007-03-27 04:35:39]
37 Galapagapop : Now if only we could start putting that kind of effort into highways! Zzeeesh what a rush....
38 RichPhitzwell : What amazes me is they must have had pre-made concrete sections. How long does concrete take to cure to optimal strength? I thought it was in the neig
39 Post contains images LY744 : Yeah it's usually quoted as 30 days. Never stopped anyone from putting up a frame on a concrete foundation a day or two after it was poured. Of cours
40 Post contains images RichPhitzwell : 12 days from start of fire to first train passing over new bridge... Im amazed.
41 Post contains links AndesSMF : First section reopened today! http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/144707.html
42 FutureSDPDcop : Too lazy to register. Can you post the article?
43 AndesSMF : "Saying work went more smoothly than expected, Union Pacific rail officials early Tuesday reopened one of two tracks destroyed nearly two weeks ago in
44 57AZ : It's amazing for sure, but not as amazing as the feats of United States Military Railroad Construction Engineer Herman Haupt and his civilian Constru
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