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Religion, Science Fiction- One And The Same?  
User currently offlineIamcanadian From Canada, joined May 2001, 734 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2298 times:

The following is a blog entry I ran across that definitely caught my attention:

Charlie Brooker
November 27, 2006
The Guardian

Scientology is a spoof religion followed by several high-profile Hollywood stars, every single one of whom is doing it for a bet just to see how long they can fool Tom Cruise.

Advanced followers of Scientology believe an alien ruler called Xenu brought his people to Earth 75m years ago, gathered them round a volcano and obliterated them with a series of nuclear blasts; their displaced souls are responsible for many of mankind's ills.

This is hilariously implausible and richly deserving of open derision, unlike, say, the belief that a man who got nailed to a couple of planks more than 2,000 years ago is your best friend and saviour.

When not being laughed at, Scientology is viewed with suspicion; many members of the public consider it a sinister cult hell-bent on gathering as much money, power, and influence as possible, unlike all other religious movements, every single one of which deserves forelock-tugging respect and unquestioning indulgence of its every crackpot whim.

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Some might say that this article is a witty and intelligent piece, filled with thought-provoking facts; drawing revolutionary parallels and exposing the truth for all. Others might say this is a sad attempt at cheapening and degrading the Christian faith, insulting millions of people worldwide.

I'm a part of the latter. To even try and compare, let alone EQUATE, Christianity and Scientology is inane and ignorant. Now, I'm not one to judge which religions are worthy of being called a "real religion", but I think I'm entitled to say that Christianity and Scientology (and even radical CULTS) are not on the same level.

Yes, I know it's supposed to be *humourous*, but when you start ridiculing a religion that's been around for 2000 years, with archeological and recorded evidence, the same way you ridicule a "religion" that's been around for 55 years invented by a science fiction writer, you're out of line.


Shut up and calculate.
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User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2291 times:

Scientology always smacked of nonsense to me, but, to be fair, and please don't be offended (because, after all, my beliefs have nothing to do with yours), all organized religion does that to me to a degree.

User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2285 times:

Quoting Iamcanadian (Thread starter):
Religion, Science Fiction- One And The Same?

At least in Stranger in a Strange Land.. Which is grounded in reality about as much as Scientology is.


User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10350 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

Quoting Iamcanadian (Thread starter):
I'm a part of the latter. To even try and compare, let alone EQUATE, Christianity and Scientology is inane and ignorant. Now, I'm not one to judge which religions are worthy of being called a "real religion", but I think I'm entitled to say that Christianity and Scientology (and even radical CULTS) are not on the same level.

Why, exactly?

I don't go around ridiculing people's religions at all. But I don't believe in it either.

To someone like me, Scientology seems just about as plausible as Christianity. Which is to say, neither sounds very plausible.

It seems to me that at one time or another, every religious sect must have been a radical new concept. Just think about it - the ancient Egyptians could have been looking at Christ and his followers and thinking, "These people's religion can't compare to our religion, which is 2,000 plus years old!"

Anyway, not trying to start an argument. The goddamn snow is depressing me and making me question everything  Smile



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User currently offlineDisruptivehair From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

To me, all religions are equally ridiculous. Then again, there's something to be said for the religious. Though misguided, they're often more content and less anxious than their atheist counterparts.

User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

Quoting Iamcanadian (Thread starter):
with archeological and recorded evidence

Oh you mean like Jesus remains?

Quoting Disruptivehair (Reply 4):
all religions are equally ridiculous

 yes  God Might exist, but the Bible, Koran et al are all  redflag 


User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2225 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 5):
God Might exist, but the Bible, Koran et al are all

That depends on how you are reading them. As literal history - yeah, they're not at all accurate. As documents that reveal the culture and society of their writers - highly useful. As texts with a deeper meaning that can guide how you live your life - varies based on the individual.

I tend to view Scientology as a cult, and I can certainly see why some people might consider Christianity to be just as credible. Personally, as a Christian, I consider my religion to be more valid because of the fundamentals it teaches - care for the downtrodden, universal brotherhood and love, etc. That seems to be a lot more meaningful than a sci-fi writer's imaginings of prehistoric aliens.



Hydrogen is an odorless, colorless gas which, given enough time, turns into people.
User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5816 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

Quoting Iamcanadian (Thread starter):
Advanced followers of Scientology believe an alien ruler called Xenu brought his people to Earth 75m years ago, gathered them round a volcano and obliterated them with a series of nuclear blasts; their displaced souls are responsible for many of mankind's ills.

And Christians believe that an alien being called God created the world in six days, and took a break on the seventh. He created man and woman, then persecuted them with plagues. . .


User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 7):
And Christians believe that an alien being called God created the world in six days, and took a break on the seventh. He created man and woman, then persecuted them with plagues. . .

Do not assume that the beliefs of fundamentalists accurately reflect the views of Christians in general. I'd guess a majority of Christians in the US do not buy into the literal 7 day creation story. On the other hand, if you look at allegorically, the writer got the order almost right...



Hydrogen is an odorless, colorless gas which, given enough time, turns into people.
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2213 times:

Nothing on you PERSONALLY as you gave a good response.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 6):
fundamentals it teaches - care for the downtrodden, universal brotherhood and love, etc

Yeah all those great qualities exhibited by the alleged Christians running for office  Yeah sure
From what I have seen time and time again Christianity is a poorly veiled excuse for 'sinning' because all sins are forgiven. EVERY Christian I have TRIED to learn from positively has at one time or another made the statment 'do as I say not as I do'. If All Christians turned around tomorrow and said they were sorry, would give up their witch hunts against homosexuality and forget about bombing abortion clinics then I might start to think they are for real. Until then it's all  redflag 
PS Most other religions are as bad.


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2207 times:

Any "religion" that has a celebrity centre (Scientology) has got to be the one to join and all adhere to its doctrine. It's probably popular with "famous" people, so this way they can worship with others of their kind (other "famous" people) and not commoners.

Religion is a man-made representation of faith. Nothing more.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2206 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 10):
Religion is a man-made representation of faith. Nothing more.

Perfect  thumbsup 


User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2194 times:

Quoting Iamcanadian (Thread starter):
To even try and compare, let alone EQUATE, Christianity and Scientology is inane and ignorant.

What, so everyone elses shit stinks, but yours smells like a bed of roses?  sarcastic  Who says religion and irony cannot co-exist!

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 3):
To someone like me, Scientology seems just about as plausible as Christianity. Which is to say, neither sounds very plausible.

 checkmark  It's all about which myth you find to be more soothing, to each their own.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 10):
Religion is a man-made representation of faith. Nothing more.

This is what it really comes down to. The bottom line is that nobody has all the answers, and anybody who claims that they do is either delusional, a charlatan, or just too dense to ask any questions.

Now I am not saying that there is no god. In fact I believe that it is more than likely that there is something greater than us out there somewhere. But for man to understand the true nature of "god" would be akin to a golden retriever understanding nuclear physics. There are just some things that are beyond our comprehension, and any attempt to try amounts up to fairy tales, nothing more.



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User currently offlineBezoar From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 807 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2190 times:

Well, I see this thread is yet another opportunity to bash those that of faith by those who are so inclined to do so. The bashers are free to express their opinions, of course. They may go ahead and consider all religions as equally insane or misguided. They may base any notion of God on what they believe to know about those who claim to have faith. They may lump all Christians together as one. It is their right to express their opinions.

However, from where I stand such commentary reflects a moral and intellectual flaccidity as great as those who mindlessly hide behind their faith. If folks are truly interested in discourse, one has to be truly interested in learning and shed the bullying stance.



"There are none so blind as those who will not see."
User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2185 times:

Quoting Bezoar (Reply 13):
Well, I see this thread is yet another opportunity to bash those that of faith by those who are so inclined to do so

Look at it as a way to express why you think otherwise.

Quoting Bezoar (Reply 13):
The bashers are free to express their opinions, of course.

As are you.

Quoting Bezoar (Reply 13):
If folks are truly interested in discourse, one has to be truly interested in learning and shed the bullying stance.

Having an opinion is not bullying. It is neither right or wrong. Just that. Maybe people draw their conclusions from their interest in learning and chose another direction on the matter.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2182 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 9):
EVERY Christian I have TRIED to learn from positively has at one time or another made the statment 'do as I say not as I do'.

When have I done that, Ted? What, I've brought nothing positive to the table?

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 9):
would give up their witch hunts against homosexuality

Witch hunts?  confused 

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 9):
and forget about bombing abortion clinics

 checkmark 

-R


User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 9):
Yeah all those great qualities exhibited by the alleged Christians running for office

I've never quite been able to understand how both President Bush and I can consider ourselves Methodists and yet hold such opposite views on so many issues.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 9):
From what I have seen time and time again Christianity is a poorly veiled excuse for 'sinning' because all sins are forgiven.

Personally, I think most Christians are too focused on what God will think of them after they die and not focused enough on creating God's kingdom on Earth while they are among the living, which is what Jesus was really talking about, IMO.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 9):
EVERY Christian I have TRIED to learn from positively has at one time or another made the statment 'do as I say not as I do'.

I think you'll get that sentiment from anyone, albeit more so from self-righteous people of all strains. We all have failings that we would prefer that we and others would not exhibit, so it is natural that we might advise people to do something that we ourselves do not. I don't think that's hypocritical, as long as we ourselves are also trying to change.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 9):
If All Christians turned around tomorrow and said they were sorry, would give up their witch hunts against homosexuality and forget about bombing abortion clinics then I might start to think they are for real.

The problem is that only a small minority of Christians are like this. I don't think it's fair to expect all Christians to apologize for the misdeeds of the minority. I also don't expect anyone to apologize for their personal beliefs, e.g. on homosexuality, if they aren't forcing them on others. Incidentally, I really don't get the church's official stance on homosexuality. If God is a god of love, then how can God condemn a loving relationship based on what parts the lovers have downstairs?

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 12):
This is what it really comes down to. The bottom line is that nobody has all the answers, and anybody who claims that they do is either delusional, a charlatan, or just too dense to ask any questions.

Now I am not saying that there is no god. In fact I believe that it is more than likely that there is something greater than us out there somewhere. But for man to understand the true nature of "god" would be akin to a golden retriever understanding nuclear physics. There are just some things that are beyond our comprehension, and any attempt to try amounts up to fairy tales, nothing more.

Couldn't agree more. Almost by definition, it is impossible for us to fully understand a higher power. We can only make decisions on what we think the higher power wants. Another reason why fundamentalists who have total belief are off-base.



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 15):
When have I done that, Ted?

When have I hung out with you and tried to understand your religion through your eyes?  Smile It's possible you could be an exception, but it's easy to project a non hypocritical aura online. Just as it's easy to trample something people covet.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 16):
Personally, I think most Christians are too focused on what God will think of them after they die and not focused enough on creating God's kingdom on Earth while they are among the living, which is what Jesus was really talking about, IMO.

Excellent point.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 16):
self-righteous people of all strains.

With the exception of dicators, I see very few non-religious people who easily fall into the bin of the self-righteous without a bible in their hand.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 16):
I don't think it's fair to expect all Christians to apologize for the misdeeds of the minority.

No, it isn't. But I do think they ought to be a hell of a lot quicker in distancing themselves fom sinners. Why anyone will give Ted Hagggard another dime for anything then performing labor at a secular company is beyond me. I'm not saying he should be excommunicated, I'm just saying his days making money as a preacher should be LONG over.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 16):
If God is a god of love, then how can God condemn a loving relationship based on what parts the lovers have downstairs?

 yes 


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2154 times:

The moment all monotheistic religions agree on one and only god- that moment would be a great step forward for humankind.
But unless this happens,religions are just a man-made tool to divide,agress,lie,supress,intimidate women (!!!) and make profit at the cost of the stupid.
The misery of many women in islamic countries,the raging wars throughout centuries,the arrogance of a pope who still lives in dark ages -nothing really very appealing that speaks for any religion.
Nothing against spirituality - but that has nothing to do with religion.
Has nobody ever brought up the question ,why all religions are a matter of male -dominance !
If god existed really,why would he have to be considered as a male matter rather than female or animal matter ,,,
Sometime it's very simple questions that put philosophies in front of insurmountable answers..



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User currently offlineBezoar From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 807 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2139 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 18):
The moment all monotheistic religions agree on one and only god - that moment would be a great step forward for humankind. But unless this happens,religions are just a man-made tool to divide, agress, lie, supress, intimidate women (!!!) and make profit at the cost of the stupid.

Mankind has the amazing ability to take anything and make it 'work' to his or her benefit, whether it be religion, science, the workplace, politics, whatever. It's supportive evidence that mankind has some rather significant flaws.

I'd hypothesize that if everyone agreed on the same god (God?) that folks would still tend to do this. And I doubt it would be any different if everyone agreed that there was no god.



"There are none so blind as those who will not see."
User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10350 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

Quoting Bezoar (Reply 13):
Well, I see this thread is yet another opportunity to bash those that of faith by those who are so inclined to do so. The bashers are free to express their opinions, of course. They may go ahead and consider all religions as equally insane or misguided. They may base any notion of God on what they believe to know about those who claim to have faith. They may lump all Christians together as one. It is their right to express their opinions.

However, from where I stand such commentary reflects a moral and intellectual flaccidity as great as those who mindlessly hide behind their faith. If folks are truly interested in discourse, one has to be truly interested in learning and shed the bullying stance.

Well, I've only seen one post that might be construed as "bashing" religion. So your post just sorta sounds like a cop-out from participating in the thread.

And, by the way, if you're going to call yourself a Christian (or Muslim, or Hindu, or Jew, whatever), you have to expect to be lumped in with other Christians (Muslims, Hindus, Jews...). That's not to say that you're all the same; but you're all taking part in the same overall set of ideas. If you weren't, then why would you call yourself Christian?



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2124 times:

I wonder if it's time to upgrade their fables. Those DC8's are getting pretty old.

User currently offlineIamcanadian From Canada, joined May 2001, 734 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2112 times:

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 12):
What, so everyone elses shit stinks, but yours smells like a bed of roses?

What I'm saying is, you can't say Scientology and Christianity are based on (essentially) the *same* central tenets of belief.

Scientology was established *originally* as a method of self-help. Christianity took off with the tenet "Go forth and make disciples of all nations." and "Love your neighbour as yourself".

Just looking at the original philosophies of the religions is clear as to where they both stand, and how dissimilar they really are.



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User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2112 times:

Quoting Disruptivehair (Reply 4):
Then again, there's something to be said for the religious. Though misguided, they're often more content and less anxious than their atheist counterparts.

You've left out a significant portion of the population: those who are spiritual, but do not adhere to the tenets of any religion. I am in no way religious nor am I in any way atheistic.


User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

Quoting Iamcanadian (Thread starter):
This is hilariously implausible and richly deserving of open derision, unlike, say, the belief that a man who got nailed to a couple of planks more than 2,000 years ago is your best friend and saviour.



Quoting TedTAce (Reply 5):
Oh you mean like Jesus remains?

Historians agree that a man named Jesus actually existed and walked around Judea in the First Century preaching, and had so many followers that the Romans considered him a threat and executed him. That is all historical fact. Fact that Historians can PROVE. Note I chose my words very carefully as historians do in the historical study of early Christianity.

"Archeology (and history) is the search for Fact, not truth. If you want truth Dr. Tyree's class is right down the hall."

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 6):
That depends on how you are reading them. As literal history - yeah, they're not at all accurate. As documents that reveal the culture and society of their writers - highly useful. As texts with a deeper meaning that can guide how you live your life - varies based on the individual.

Very true. As literal history the Old Testament is not very accurate however, it is not any more inaccurate then some of the oral histories we have of other cultures. As for the New Testament The Gospel of Luke and the Acts of the Apostles are written with a historical context in mind. The author gives names and dates and tries to put Jesus' life in the context of the Roman world, in this regard Luke and Acts are very accurate and help historians date what actually occurred.

As documents that reveal the sociology of Jewish culture and to some extent Roman culture the Bible is actually a very good source. Teasing out what can be found to be Fact and what is not is why professionals spend careers pouring over the Bible. Remember, the Iliad was considered complete myth until Heinrich Schliemann found the city.

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 7):
And Christians believe that an alien being called God created the world in six days, and took a break on the seventh. He created man and woman, then persecuted them with plagues

See this is the kind of ignorance that comes from arrogance that I dislike. First not all Christians think the world was created in six days. But for an ancient people to try and understand how the world was created it worked. As an allegory for Evolution and the Big Bang it still works. One doesn't HAVE to be unscientific to be religious nor be atheist to be scientific.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 8):
Do not assume that the beliefs of fundamentalists accurately reflect the views of Christians in general. I'd guess a majority of Christians in the US do not buy into the literal 7 day creation story. On the other hand, if you look at allegorically, the writer got the order almost right...

Welcome to my RU list Yellowstone.

As for Scientology, I think it is a ridiculous cult, it will remain a cult for a long time to come.

I put great stock in Anthony F.C. Wallace's theories on religion.


25 TheCol : Most Christians believe that forgiveness doesn't come unless people are truly sorry for their transgressions. If I remember correctly, the Bible also
26 MKEdude : I never did. But from the outside looking in it is not much of a stretch to go from believing in a half god half man who was born of a virgin, perfor
27 LogansGirl : Recommended reading: The Jesus Mysteries, Was The Original Jesus a Pagan God by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy.
28 Post contains images Vikkyvik : I am truly sorry.
29 LY744 : So if a Scientologist believes in his religion just as hard as you believe in yours, how is he wrong and you're right? LY744.
30 Iamcanadian : Could you point out where I said that?
31 Vikkyvik : Not quite in the same words, but: Funny enough, you were actually the one sort of comparing the two religions. Not trying to bash you, though. To eac
32 Post contains images Iamcanadian : Was I? Then what was this: It was not I that chose to compare the two. Now you're just interpreting my words the way you *want* to hear them. I refra
33 Post contains images LogansGirl : Thanks VikkyVik! The premise of the mythology of Christianity is a resurrecting God-man, which the Egyptians had been imitated on by the Greeks. Diony
34 LY744 : Well there you go. "It's like comparing apples to oranges". Why is Christianity apples and Scientology oranges? How are they really different? I may
36 CastleIsland : So why do so many Christians support the death penalty?
37 Halcyon : Well, if my neighbor is evil, I cannot go out and "slay"him myself. The best I can do is tell the government which I am subject to, or eliminate him
38 Yellowstone : Halcyon gave the answer from one perspective. Also, many Christians, including the Catholic Church, morally oppose the death penalty. As I see it, th
39 AndesSMF : Not to pick on you, but the following statement is misleading to an extreme. The great monotheistic religions already believe in the same God. Judaism
40 ManuCH : The fact Jesus existed might be true. But nobody knows if what he was preaching was true as well. He might have been a charismatic guy who happened t
41 Bezoar : There's actually a fair number of people, including myself, who have no doubts that what He said is true. Charismatic guys do not generally sacrifice
42 UALPHLCS : You have almost but not quiet summed up the Anthony F.C. Wallace's theory on religion and it's role in society. People do turn to religion when they
43 Rammstein : A great step forward will be when humans will start to have respect of God. Everybody is telling "God thinks this", "God thinks that", "God is this",
44 ManuCH : Thank you for your very interesting and informative post.
45 LY744 : That's what you think. You have no clue how Christianity really started. Like you said yourself, it was 2000 years ago. It's easy to see how Scientol
46 Post contains images Bezoar : It's ok if you don't know. What we know as reality is actually incredible if one reconsiders what is generally taken for granted. A vast universe, th
47 TheCol : Why does it matter?
48 Iamcanadian : That's a completely different topic and discussion altogether. This topic is about comparing Scientology and Christianity, not Christianity and Buddh
49 LY744 : Because he thinks Christianity is so different from Scientology, and I think it's not. No it's not. Your argument centers around the fact that Scient
50 Bezoar : Some concoctions from the minds of some abitrary mortals? Well, I'd consider Scientology to be a product of the human imagination. But unless you hav
51 Iamcanadian : WHY do you think it's not? What about Christianity is so similar to Scientology?
52 Post contains images Vikkyvik : Don't want to put words into anyone's mouth, but I think the idea here is that in 2000 years, Scientology (or any recent religion), could have suppla
53 TACAA320 : That's called "free will". DISCLAIMER: As a Christian Roman Catholic, I don't support death penalty.
54 Post contains images Iamcanadian : I am not "writing off" anything because, like I said: I'm not disregarding Scientology as a religion. I'm merely saying that you cannot compare the t
55 Vikkyvik : Didn't mean to say you definitely were, but it sort of comes off like that in the following quote: I see your reasoning to an extent. But, to me, as
56 Post contains links and images TedTAce : Based on what? Can you name one document, carving, etching or other form of communication from 2000 years ago that proves Jesus was alive? http://www
57 Redngold : Well, according to scientists, religion is not science and science is not fiction... You be the judge.
58 TheCol : In what way? If you're thinking along the lines of "Christianity has a spiritual belief system, and Scientology has a spiritual belief system", then
59 Halcyon : Well, you don't come across too many infants that are also murderers do you Ted? The fact that you just compared the two is very sad...there's a huge
60 TedTAce : Just like your answer. Literally speaking what is an abortion? Literally speaking what does a executioner do to the condemed? The only diference is t
61 Bezoar : Ted, by your simplistic definition it would appear that our troops in Iraq and our local police would be in the same boat as the abortionists and murd
62 LY744 : Where did I say it wasn't? Sure was. I guess those writers could also read what their predecessor wrote. Good for them. I wish people on these boards
63 TACAA320 : He was not "created", "...begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made..."
64 TedTAce : Limited? How is it that considering we might have come from somewhere other then Adam and Eve "limited"? I think God gave us brains to THINK, not to
65 Bezoar : No, in your world there would only be relative truths. You don't get absolute anything.
66 Halcyon : Well, there is a point where you can use words to explain around anything, even if it does not make sense. It seems that we've reached that with each
67 Post contains images Halcyon : And that's where the baby/murderer/rapist all gets confused.
68 TACAA320 :
69 Iamcanadian : You want me to answer your questions? Okay... I'm not one to say who's "wrong" and who's "right". To each his own. Like I said, I never said either o
70 Post contains links Bezoar : "Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion" - L. Ron
71 Post contains images TedTAce : Ok, wrong word.. I meant fact, the 'truth' is something reserved for those who believe there is such a thing. I think you are confusing the circumsta
72 UALPHLCS : Yes, there is actually alot but the most common and publicized is the Jewish-Roman Historian Josephus. He wrote a history of Judea in an attempt to e
73 Post contains images Halcyon : You've been in big cities way too long Ted. Come to Montana some time.
74 Post contains links AndesSMF : Society has always followed a certain message, sometimes these 'messages' are religious, sometimes political, sometimes other. But they all follow th
75 UALPHLCS : True. Your point is well taken. Only since the Enlightenment have we divorced religion completely from politics. (Not that this is a bad thing) But w
76 Post contains images TedTAce : I Love Montana. If I could last longer then a week there I would do so gladly. PS Can I change my last name to Kazinski? 150 years ago everyone in th
77 Post contains images Halcyon : Oh heavens Ted, I will feed you. Well...as long as you don't go changing your last name like that. Lucas
78 Post contains images TedTAce : Thanks, I appreciate the offer
79 LY744 : Yep, that's all I wanted to hear. LY744.
80 Iamcanadian : Good. Now would you care to answer my question now? Thanks in advance.
81 Aa757first : Not good, but it is hard to follow all of the commandments and Church directives. For example, if you yelled at your kid for gunning it through a yel
82 Lehpron : Question for people who hold this and the opposing view: If you have an opinion, why assume it to be obvious to everyone else? While you don't have t
83 LY744 : "How is scientology and Christianity similar?" I presume. Here's how: if your parents were scientology followers you'd be in here discrediting Christ
84 AndesSMF : IIRC, Tom Cruise's mom is a practicing Catholic and a practicing Scientologist as well.
85 Iamcanadian : I didn't ask "What makes Scientology 'as true' as Christianity?". I mean on a purely objective approach, side-by-side, how are Christianity and Scien
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