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User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2414 times:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/july-dec04/recruit_12-13.html

It sems for me to be very strange...
So young people.
Children.
Is US military so desperate for soldiers?

A lot of the soldiers that have joined for Iraq
comes for poor families and areas in USA.

How many of the top US politicians and
CEO:s have children in Iraq? Not many...

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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2403 times:

"So young people". Oh jeez   Yeah sure Once a person is 18, they're an adult. There's nothing wrong with recruitment in HS. Especially since other companies recruit for anyone who isn't interested in college. 18 year olds are capable of rational decisions.

Now if the military were recruiting Kindergarteners, then you'd have a legit thread Bo, alas, we know why this has been started.  Yeah sure

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[Edited 2007-03-24 23:22:07]

User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9304 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2389 times:

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 2):
Once a person is 18, they're an adult.

except they need to be 21 to drink and 23 or so to get off their parents' insurance plans.

16/17/18 is still very corruptable. trust me, i have AOL chat logs over the last many years to prove it.

Quoting Bofredrik (Thread starter):
Is US military so desperate for soldiers?

yes.



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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2385 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 5):
except they need to be 21 to drink and 23 or so to get off their parents' insurance plans.

16/17/18 is still very corruptable. trust me, i have AOL chat logs over the last many years to prove it.

21 and 23 is another thread about the stupidity of drinking laws, and binge drinking on college campuses (EDIT: I was going to add, ask any 22 year old if they want the added cost of their own insurance plans, and I assure you they'd rather freeload from mommy and daddy for at least another year. More of my peers view being booted off their folks' insurance as a crisis rather than a right of passage) And looking at older types like Lisa Nowak, and even some of my 20-25 year old peers, corruptability doesn't seem to decline. If a person can be trusted to vote, decide whether he/she wants college or a job right out of HS, then they can decide if they want to join the military.

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[Edited 2007-03-24 23:35:22]

User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2385 times:

Quoting Bofredrik (Thread starter):
It sems for me to be very strange...
So young people.
Children.
Is US military so desperate for soldiers?

Many people end their education at the high school level, for whatever reason. The military is a career option just like anything else, and may be attractive to kids who are not interested in going to college right now, or are unable to because of grades or finances.

Quoting Bofredrik (Thread starter):
A lot of the soldiers that have joined for Iraq
comes for poor families and areas in USA.

 redflag 

As has been discussed here before, the background profile of military personel in Iraq is actually higher than that of the general population. I.E. Their are more kids who volunteer coming from middle or upper class families than from the poor, relative to the population.


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9304 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2366 times:

Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 6):
And looking at older types like Lisa Nowak, and even some of my 20-25 year old peers, corruptability doesn't seem to decline.

that's not corruptability. that's a woman on a mission.



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User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2363 times:

Yeah. The military recruits at my school. And it gets people who have bad parents, a bad home something to shoot for. Thats a bad thing? If anything, military presence in my school has helped it.

Plus the National Guard pays for some things, like the mandatory lanyards and stuff like that.

The military is a good operation. It helps people, supports the local economy, creates tons of jobs around here (civil too), lots of good things.

Nothing bad about that.


User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2357 times:

"As has been discussed here before, the background profile of military personel in Iraq is actually higher than that of the general population. I.E. Their are more kids who volunteer coming from middle or upper class families than from the poor, relative to the population."

I would appreciate a ref to that. Tks!


User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2038 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2357 times:

Quoting Bofredrik (Thread starter):

And this doesn't happen anywhere else?

The Canadian Forces do the same thing, and it's probably common in other countries as well.



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User currently offlineAgill From Sweden, joined Feb 2004, 1007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2355 times:

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 10):

Well we don't even have the chance to say no if the military decides that we are fit for being in the military. At least not without risking jailtime.


User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4780 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2349 times:

Quoting Bofredrik (Thread starter):
It sems for me to be very strange...
So young people.
Children.

Canada is just as "bad" then in your opinion, because they do exactly the same thing. You can join at 17 with parents permission or 18 by yourself. Stop the US-bashing, it is really getting tiring.


User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2347 times:

This forum is very strict.
Maybe the China regime is only harder...
I do not know why.
If for ex USA is a great democracy so must
it be OK to discuss USA and it military for example.
We can discuss everything here about China, Iran
or Venezuella but USA is very very explosive theme...
It is not very democratic and as this site is swedish
must i say that i am supriced.  Sad


User currently offlineAviationMaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2479 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

Quoting Bofredrik (Thread starter):
So young people.

In your eyes, how old is old enough to be a soldier?

Heck, even the Swiss army has 18 year old soldiers; plus since military service is still mandatory here, we don't even get the liberty of deciding wether to join the forces or not (ok ok, we also have the option of doing civil service...)


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 15):
This forum is very strict.
Maybe the China regime is only harder...
I do not know why.
If for ex USA is a great democracy so must
it be OK to discuss USA and it military for example.
We can discuss everything here about China, Iran
or Venezuella but USA is very very explosive theme...
It is not very democratic and as this site is swedish
must i say that i am supriced

The problem is you are bringing up an issue that has been discussed to death in this forum.


User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3081 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2332 times:

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 15):
it be OK to discuss USA and it military for example.

There is a big difference between discussing the US and its military and bashing it. You are constantly coming into these forums with not only spiteful, but distorted and borderline false views on the US. It gets old quick. Hence the "strictness."



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User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2038 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 15):

Your thread was bashed because it was intentionally misleading. The United States isn't the only nation to recruit high school graduates. It is considered the norm in many other countries.



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User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

We have the same here.* But we do not send them to Iraq. They are to young for that kind of war and just have a basic traing and to basic equipment. Just as the young US soldiers in Iraq... It was a swedish journalist who whas embedded with US soldiers in Iraq and he said that this young US soldiers of 18 do not know what to do when it is enemy fire. Most of them are so afraid that they is dangerous for the whole team. They have in many caes not been out of their home state and now are they in a enviroment that they do not understand. To young, to little training and to little knowledge about this region in the world.

* 12 months basic military training + several months extra for UN missions training.

[Edited 2007-03-25 00:22:49]

User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

If you think it is to much discussion about a certain question, do not answer then...
But others here maybe think is is Ok and have not seen similar before. Not all have
been here since the 90:s.


User currently offlineKlima From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 212 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2316 times:

There is nothing sinister about it.

When I was in High School ('96-'00) they would set up a table near the entrance to the cafeteria, and if anyone was interested they could go up and talk to the recruiters. Nobody was forced to talk to them.

Allow me to say, as well, that I went to a private high school. Not some dumpy, rundown high school in a poor neighborhood, which I think a lot of people believe only recruiters go to to get people to join the military. They really do try to reach out to all students.


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2317 times:
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Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 15):
This forum is very strict.
Maybe the China regime is only harder...
I do not know why.
If for ex USA is a great democracy so must
it be OK to discuss USA and it military for example.
We can discuss everything here about China, Iran
or Venezuella but USA is very very explosive theme...
It is not very democratic and as this site is swedish
must i say that i am supriced.

Maybe it's because we Americans are tired of hearing the rest of the world tell us about how we are a bunch of murdering, capitalist pieces of shit. I am quite tired of the American bashers on this website who have nothing better to do than find things wrong with America and complain about them. There are a lot of you on this website who owe your very freedom to people like my grand father, who over sixty years ago found himself on a boat to Europe to liberate millions of people. My grandfather took two bullets in Normandy, helped bail out the 101st in Bastonge, and finished kicking the ever loving piss out of the Nazi's. Here we are now over sixty years later and no matter what we do as a country we are vilified. What can we do to make the rest of the world happy, and furthermore should we care if the rest of the world is happy? We all have our preconceived notions about countries around the world. I have bashed the french on this website many times, but I had never been. I spent a week there in December wandering the streets of Paris and fell so in love with it that I would seriously consider living there for a year. My point is maybe people should be concentrating on the shortcomings of their own countries they get their panties in a wad about our social affairs. We all have issues that we don't agree with, but unless you are a voting citizen I don't really care what you have to say.



[Edited 2007-03-25 00:42:43]


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User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3081 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2306 times:

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 21):
Not all have
been here since the 90:s.

One need not be here in the 90's to know this has been discussed to the nth degree. I've been here since 2003 and seen it many times.

You see Bofredrik, maybe people would be more willing to accept discussing your thread if it was less biased. It is very obvious you have a strong dislike for the US. It shows in your complete and total lack of knowledge regarding not only our military operations, but other countries as well.

So, not only does it help to know what your talking about when it is such a controversial issue, it also helps to lessen the bias.



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 25):
One need not be here in the 90's to know this has been discussed to the nth degree. I've been here since 2003 and seen it many times.

You see Bofredrik, maybe people would be more willing to accept discussing your thread if it was less biased. It is very obvious you have a strong dislike for the US. It shows in your complete and total lack of knowledge regarding not only our military operations, but other countries as well.

So, not only does it help to know what your talking about when it is such a controversial issue, it also helps to lessen the bias

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Actually, if the thread starter wants to start a thread on the poor readiness of the US military, I invite him to wander over to the mil-av & space thread. I'm sure his views would receive a rousing reception over there.  Wink


User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

I like to have a discussion with someone who thinks the opposite of me.
That is a discussion. I do not know what you call it when everybody must
agree of the basics. It sounds like former USSR to me... Or the new Russia.

But thanks for this non-discussion anywhay.
AND all the answers from the great democracy USA.
When all opinions is free.
What a joke... Big grin


MODERATOR! Please cancel my membership.
I should look for a more democratic and open one.
Thank you anyway for a good site in many other aspects!


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2330 times:
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Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 27):
I like to have a discussion with someone who thinks the opposite of me.
That is a discussion. I do not know what you call it when everybody must
agree of the basics. It sounds like former USSR to me... Or the new Russia.

But thanks for this non-discussion anywhay.
AND all the answers from the great democracy USA.
When all opinions is free.
What a joke...


MODERATOR! Please cancel my membership.
I should look for a more democratic and open one.
Thank you anyway for a good site in many other aspects!

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...s=high+school+recruiters#ID1138763
There's a thread about it.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...1158&s=military+recruiter#ID311158
Here's another. The second one was started before the war in Iraq, maybe you'll find more neutral opinions in it.



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User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2038 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

Quoting Bofredrik (Reply 20):
We have the same here. But we do not send them to Iraq.

Again, your argument is bogus. Other countries deploy their troops, age notwithstanding, into combat elsewhere. If Sweden was involved in a large conflict, they would do the same. It would be futile for any military to recruit personnel that would not be expected to fight in a combat situation.



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25 AeroWesty : What you don't realize is that on this board you're going to get a broad range of backgrounds and viewpoints on any issue, just due to the diversity
26 Post contains images Boeing4ever : A military gets deployed sometimes Bofred...otherwise it's just an expensive collection of state sponsored gun, pilot, and yacht clubs. How young is
27 Post contains links JAL777 : There are thousands of conscripts in the Swedish military http://www.dod.mil/prhome/poprep2002/summary/summary.htm
28 STLGph : i disagree as they certainly scraped the bottom of the barrel at my high school. then again we went to high school in different times, too.
29 AeroWesty : Good point. I'm not aware of who they're picking up from the high schools these days, and don't have anything to compare it to really, since they did
30 Tz757300 : I hope you didnt go to high school anytime recently. I believe military recruiters are just like college recruiters that coem to the high school. The
31 Post contains images Halcyon : The people were the nicest of any of the recruiters I saw at school, especially the Marines and Air Force. The higher the score, the more interested
32 MCOflyer : Same here. When I graduated in May of 06, I think 7 -10 joined the Florida Army National Guard. 2 joined the Air force and I think some joined the Ma
33 STLGph : no. they scrape the bottom of the barrel. they want everybody to feel almighty and self important and as if they are going to play the most important
34 TZ757300 : I really want to know why your opinion on this is the way it is. Yes, they have freebies out there but all it is is eye candy. all they want to do is
35 Post contains images AeroWesty : They should offer women. Cut down on the hassles of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell".
36 AsstChiefMark : Military recruiters have been in high schools for decades. It's nothing new. The kids that sign up know they're not going to be babied for a couple of
37 Melpax : It's not just in the US where the recriuters visit High Schools. Back when I was in High School (Late 80's, early 90's) Army recriuters would pay thei
38 Delta767300ER : I am sick of hearing about this topic. I have no problem with Military Recruiters coming to High School's to speak to students. While I was in High Sc
39 Fumanchewd : All kinds of people go. My friend's father, a doctor, who is in the guard was called up to be a navy surgeon. My old probation officer was called up l
40 TedTAce : Short of the draft; it always has been. Sorry this appears to be 'news' to you.
41 STLGph : that's horribly brilliant. i love you. yes, they do. you have your few exceptions where people turn it into a career decision and make wise choices s
42 MKEdude : Well, yeah. You can blame whoever you want, but the fact is that this administration has gone around the world writing checks that the military can't
43 TZ757300 : Keep Dreaming. I also believe that the military has more of a lower class base because it offers a solid, guarnteed job thats pays better the longer
44 AeroWesty : Sort of like Pvt. Benjamin?
45 JAL777 : Just because you believe it doesn't mean its true.
46 TZ757300 : I never said it was fact, just something I think my be true. I am entitled to my own opinion?
47 Halls120 : And have you ever served in the military? Or have you done any extensive research on the issue? Or have you just pull this belief out your ***? Sourc
48 Fumanchewd : No, I think he means like Pat Tillman. He had such a s****y life he had not choice but to join!
49 JAL777 : But it's already to be shown to be untrue... will your opinion change concurrently? [Edited 2007-03-25 04:54:11][Edited 2007-03-25 04:58:33]
50 TZ757300 : No, but I will be and have looked into the issue. Does it not make sense that people who are not in the best of monetary situation would want a bette
51 TZ757300 : Thanks, I missed that one. I recend all accusations I made.
52 Post contains images JAL777 : Well I give you credit for actually looking at it - most would see the .mil URL and dismiss it as military propaganda. I'm guessing military recruite
53 MaidensGator : Nothing.... I saw more military recruiters in my law school than in my high school. They were also on campus when I did my undergrad. They're not jus
54 Speedbird747BA : I honestly wasnt aware it was a big deal. It isnt where i go to HS. I wonder if they recruit much in San Francisco....:D
55 AsstChiefMark : The CIA used to come to high school to recruit. At least one person in the class ahead of me is now a big shot serving somewhere in Eastern Europe.
56 Post contains links and images MaidensGator : Is he a pilot? View Large View MediumPhoto © Václav Kudela
57 AsstChiefMark : Her mom says she's a covert in Eastern Europe, but that's all she knows.
58 FRAspotter : Well there are more working class people in America than politicians and CEOs so of course there aren't going to be as many.
59 DL021 : Stop it....the military has been recruiting at high schools since I was a kid. Where else do you look for 18 year old volunteers? Coca-Cola used to s
60 Venus6971 : I came from a middle class family that had the means to help me get through college but I did not desire to get a job after college sitting in some da
61 CaptOveur : Not all of ours go to Iraq So what is the appropriate age to go to the sandbox? Please describe the war that is age-appropriate for people enlisting
62 LatinTraveller : Hi You guys. I've been a member for almost a month now but i never had the chance to actually post until i saw this thread. I'm a Senior in High Schoo
63 Venus6971 : Thats OK alot of people have no desire for Military service, just like being in the clergy,police,fireman any other type of first responder you have
64 KaiGywer : Moderators can't cancel your membership. Go to your profile, and way at the bottom is a checkbox "Delete this user". Check that, and you'll be good t
65 Disruptivehair : I agree. I was in high school 1989-1993; there was one major conflict during that period, and that was the first Gulf War. By the time Clinton took o
66 Superfly : Luckily this is no longer a problem in the San Francisco schools. We passed a law that forbids aggressive military recruitment. We aren't discouraging
67 Cfalk : So where is the problem? You didn't get shanghaied, right? You had the right to say no, right? I agree that they can be annoying at times (depends on
68 Miamiair : I joined when I was 17. My parents had to sign off on it. And I was not from a poor family. I got my High School diploma and went in. I see nothing wr
69 Superfly : No problem at all once I told the guy in so many words to f--k off! What ever happened to respecting another person's decision? I told the guy many t
70 DL021 : No...they tried to forbid recruiters from talking to high school kids on campus or off. Recruiters don't chase kids who say no once or twice. I don't
71 MDorBust : Proud to be the bottom of the barrel. Never been in have you? Disproven time and again. The JROTC was "aggressive military recruitment"?
72 Charlienorth : I wnet to a high school in an upper middle class community in the late 70's early 80's,all branches would send recruiters to the career center and the
73 Superfly : This happened down in Pasadena, California. I pretty expensive suburb of Los Angeles. That's where I went to high school. My experience is not an iso
74 MKEdude : I'm not sure what you are saying. Do you mean to say that our military should not be reflective of society at large? Perhaps you meant to quote somet
75 MDorBust : Nope. What I'm saying is that the military IS reflective of society at large.
76 Superfly : At all levels?
77 Falstaff : The high school where I teach hardly anyone goes to college. The military has been a popular choice with many of our kids. Several of our instructors
78 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Horsecrap. This thread was instantly derailed with this comment, all by itself. More Bofredrick Sure Bo, we're sending 15 year old into combat. This
79 Post contains images UnknownUser : You're right, they are so wrong. I come from an upper class family, got a 3.8 in high school, and had colleges asking for me. Seperating from the DEP
80 Falstaff : There was recently an article in the Detroit Free Press stating that. The article also said that most of the Michiganders to die in the war were whit
81 Superfly : Calm down dude. No one is banning anyone from signing up. Yes we do have ROTC in our schools as well. You need to keep in mind that may view on this
82 FRAspotter : I am in college right now and working for my bachelors in Political Science. Once I graduate, I will enlist in the Army. My parents keep on telling me
83 Post contains links Venus6971 : Go to www.military.com and ask questions like that, they have a bunch of old farts like me that can answer your questions in the discussions forum.
84 TZ757300 : Yup, all it is is a matter of paperwork. My guy I know just finished college couple months ago and was in the National Guard since high school and he
85 TheCol : Yeah, that's pretty much the norm now. Personally, I think it's a good opportunity for people to be exposed more to the CF. If they don't want to sig
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