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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12241 posts, RR: 35
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1299 times:
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Microsoft on Wednesday took the wraps off its Xbox 360 Elite, a new version of its video game console expected to hit stores at the end of April. The new version of the Xbox 360 will cost $479.99, still cheaper than Sony’s PlayStation 3.

The Xbox 360 Elite, widely rumored over the past several days on gaming sites, is an upgraded version of the original Xbox 360, featuring a black exterior, 120GB hard disk drive, High Definition Multimedia Interface (HDMI) port and high definition video cable. It also includes a matching wireless controller and Xbox Live headset.


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Looks like it'll have a few nice extras, such as included HDMI cable rather than having to spend $50 on one.

Personally though, I still think I'd want a PS3. Never liked Xbox and since I have a PS2, I'd like to be able to play my old games as well. I also like the PS3 controller better than the big bulky Xbox 360 controller.


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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1290 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Thread starter):
such as included HDMI cable rather than having to spend $50 on one.

No one should ever spend $50 on a $8 cable.



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1285 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 1):
No one should ever spend $50 on a $8 cable.

*looks at £300 cable on desk* - really? Quality often costs.

I agree that you shouldnt be ripped off on stuff, but you shouldnt hold your comment as a blanket statement.


User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1283 times:

Interesting move by Microsoft. For the critics and those on the fence who doubted the system's abilities due to a "small" hard drive and no HDMI, Microsoft has offered an option. Existing units are by no means obsolete since this appears to be another SKU to add to the Xbox line, and its interesting since they seem to be trying to turn the console market into something akin to the iPod market: Multiple models with the same or nearly the same capabilities aimed at different groups based on usage and demand for additional features.

At first I was surprised that Microsoft did not include an internal HD-DVD drive, figuring they had a good opportunity to undercut Sony. Of the course the development of the Xbox Live Marketplace and the larger hard drive does firmly establish Microsoft in skipping physical media and going for digital distribution of high-def content. The system's ability to function with Windows Media services will prove valuable in this regard.

Cool offer, but out of my price range and I really don't need those features.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1278 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 2):
*looks at £300 cable on desk* - really? Quality often costs.

No, HDMI is a digital standard. The signal is either on, or it is off. You don't need super fancy shielding, you don't need gold plating, you don't need all these extras. That stuff mattered for analog, but not at all for digital - that's the chief benefit of digital over analog. If it's a 300 pound HDMI cable you have on your desk, I think you will be surprised to find that the quality of your picture is absolutely identical with a 4 pound HDMI cable from Amazon. Sell the cable to some poor schmoe that doesn't know better.  Wink



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6575 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1272 times:
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Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 2):
*looks at £300 cable on desk* - really? Quality often costs

Actually you loose more signal in the connector than in the actual cable. There are "standard" signal losses in connectors. So yes.. your £300 cable most likley has the very simmilar loss values (port-to-port) than the $8 cable mentioned before.

Ugh and dont even get me started on Surge Protectors!!!

Quoting AC320 (Reply 3):
Multiple models with the same or nearly the same capabilities aimed at different groups based on usage and demand for additional features

The weird thing is that in a product introduction you generally introduce your "premium" variations early to catch the early adopters. The elite version is a too little too lete in my book. Xbox fans already have an Xbox and few will trash it and buy a new one. Then again Bill Gates is sitting in a pile of money and i am not.

[Edited 2007-03-28 16:13:26]


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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1268 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
No, HDMI is a digital standard. The signal is either on, or it is off. You don't need super fancy shielding, you don't need gold plating, you don't need all these extras.

Theres still a signal that can be degraded, interfered with and generally made crap - and by doing so it can degrade the performance of the data being transmitted because a retransmit has to occur which can cause problems, especially if many retransmits are being demanded, resulting in an overall loss of bandwidth on the cable. Loss of bandwidth means less useful information can be transmitted, meaning either lower framerates or (if the hardware supports it) higher on the fly compression.

Believe me, its no different to any other digital signal and its not magic thats perfectly perfect all the time.

Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
If it's a 300 pound HDMI cable you have on your desk, I think you will be surprised to find that the quality of your picture is absolutely identical with a 4 pound HDMI cable from Amazon.

Its not mine, but it is a HDMI cable and its worth every penny of the £300 it cost (its professional grade).


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1255 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 6):
Theres still a signal that can be degraded, interfered with and generally made crap

How long is your cable? A mile? If it's from your wall to your TV, it's not nearly long enough for degradation to have any effect.

The whole idea of digital is that you don't lose the information in the signal even when the signal is degraded. Therefore, you don't need to put a fortress around the signal. *Let it degrade!* It won't affect its interpretation.

It's like this: If I say "God Bless the Queen and all the ships at sea," does it matter if I say it loudly or quietly, or in a studio, or in a noisy subway station? No. The sentence is the same no matter what. That's what digital does for you - even if the signal is noisy, the information remains the same. But hey, it's your money.

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 6):
its professional grade

That's what all the boxes say in order to get people to waste their money on them. Salespeople will say "you just spent $3000 on a TV, and you're going to use that crappy surge protector and that crappy cable on it?" It's a racket, man.

[Edited 2007-03-28 16:55:07]


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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1250 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
Yeah sure How long is your cable? A mile? If it's from your wall to your TV, it's not nearly long enough for degradation to have any effect.

Running it next to other cables? Anywhere near internal power lines? Using very *very* high resolutions?

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):

The whole idea of digital is that you don't lose the information in the signal even when the signal is degraded. Therefore, you don't need to put a fortress around the signal. *Let it degrade!* It won't affect its interpretation.

Yeah, if only it was that simple - all sorts of other tasks would be sooooo trivial, like ethernet cable runs for one. No more worrying about sharpness of bends, twists or turns, no more worrying about running it next to other cables, no more worrying about cable length and attenuation, no more worrying about termination, no more worrying about cross talk!

Yeah, sounds like paradise - pity its not real, it would be very handy.

Just because its digital doesnt make it magically immune to signal degredation.

Quoting D L X (Reply 7):
That's what all the boxes say in order to get people to waste their money on them. Salespeople will say "you just spent $3000 on a TV, and you're going to use that crappy surge protector and that crappy cable on it?" It's a racket, man.

Said like a person thats never needed professional grade equipment....

There are plenty of reasons to buy an expensive cable where a cheap cable also exists.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12241 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1248 times:
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Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 8):
There are plenty of reasons to buy an expensive cable where a cheap cable also exists.

However, I don't think video games fit in this category  Smile



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1239 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 9):
However, I don't think video games fit in this category Smile

No, I was just taking issue with the base arguement  Wink Yeah its a slow afternoon.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1237 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 8):
Running it next to other cables? Anywhere near internal power lines? Using very *very* high resolutions?

Okay, instead of me making assumptions, I'l open my mind to reasons why you use such an expensive cable. (Although, we're getting WAY off topic I suppose.) What is a *very* high resolution? If it's more than 1080p, I'm not sure how it's relevant to a discussion about XBOX 360.

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 8):
Yeah, if only it was that simple - all sorts of other tasks would be sooooo trivial, like ethernet cable runs for one. No more worrying about sharpness of bends, twists or turns, no more worrying about running it next to other cables, no more worrying about cable length and attenuation, no more worrying about termination, no more worrying about cross talk!

I too know about those things. Those things are serious concerns with Ethernet, but no Ethernet cable is worth $300 either unless it's very long. I'm not suggesting you just plug 8 bare wires together to make your HDMI connection.

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 8):
Just because its digital doesnt make it magically immune to signal degredation.

I agree, but the amount of degradation necessary to ruin an HD signal is a lot more than what you'd get with a cheap cable. (And, yes, I have a cheap cable on my 1080p system at home, and it's great.)

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 8):
Said like a person thats never needed professional grade equipment....

You don't need "professional grade equipment" for your home theater and video game system.



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1229 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 11):
What is a *very* high resolution? If it's more than 1080p, I'm not sure how it's relevant to a discussion about XBOX 360.

No, its not very relevent to an XBOX360, I was jsut taking issue with your generalisation about cost and quality.

A *very* high resolution would be in the realms of 4320p and higher, at high bitrates per frame.

Quoting D L X (Reply 11):

I agree, but the amount of degradation necessary to ruin an HD signal is a lot more than what you'd get with a cheap cable.

You would be surprised, while we were setting up a friends HD setup, a tightly coiled cable resulted in a framerate loss - uncoiling the cable and it went away. He went out and bought a higher quality cable, coiled it up and it worked no problem.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1225 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 12):
He went out and bought a higher quality cable, coiled it up and it worked no problem.

If that's the case, couldn't he have saved his money by simply uncoiling the cable? (Or, using an appropriately lengthed cable?)



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6575 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1181 times:
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Seem like most people agree that MS has shot itself on the foot with this one.


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User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1175 times:

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 14):
Seem like most people agree that MS has shot itself on the foot with this one.

Who? People here? The media? The silly little fanboys who want the latest and greatest then whine when they can't afford or some other imagined slight? It's an additional optional console offering for those who want it, nothing more. If they suddenly said the original X360 was obsolete, un-supported, or would not be able to play new games specially designed for the Elite, then they'd not only shoot themselves in the foot but the head too. Sony modified and updated the PS2 as well, ethernet adapters, the slimline versions etc..

We have here optional upgrades and changes for those who want them, need them, or to lure new customers in.

Looks like Sony is also prepping a revision to the PS3:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/2007...;_ylt=AlP2mLZPnv8EesLI94_8okkjtBAF

An odd change since the PS3's drive is user-replaceable

We got ourselves a true console arms race.


User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6575 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1170 times:
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Quoting AC320 (Reply 15):
The silly little fanboys

I would think that this is the majority of the market... So i wouldnt want to piss them off...

Point being that the Xbox is trying to play catch-up with the PS3. Things would have been much more interesting if the had included a HD-DVD drive.



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6575 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1162 times:
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Quoting AC320 (Reply 15):
Who? People here? The media? The silly little fanboys who want the latest and greatest then whine when they can't afford or some other imagined slight?

Oh.. these guys too

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3158284



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User currently offlineAC320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1159 times:

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 16):
Point being that the Xbox is trying to play catch-up with the PS3. Things would have been much more interesting if the had included a HD-DVD drive.

Considering they favour digital distribution of HD content, such an add-in would simply add to the cost of the system and its likely to not be used by a significant percentage of the user base. Since the future of the final format winner and especially HD-DVD is in doubt, it's wise to sit this one out as the discs are not required for the core purpose of the unit: Games.

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 16):
ing to play catch-up with the PS3

Let's not toss this term around. People modify their offerings to compete with new offerings from their competitors. A vocal group demanded a larger HD and HDMI, they delivered. PS3 now looks too boost its HD. PS2 introduced ethernet capabilities when the Xbox got popular. Move and counter-move with hardware revisions is nothing new or generally inferior about doing this. Good luck future-proofing consumer electronics.

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 17):
Oh.. these guys too

Just more of the same old. If the features are not a value for you don't buy it. I've seen equal amounts of joy and enthusiasm on other boards and such. It's all relative, and gamers are a fickle bunch: If it has everything you want for the price you love it, if it doesn't you despise it with every fibre of your being.


User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6575 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1156 times:
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Quoting AC320 (Reply 18):
Move and counter-move with hardware revisions is nothing new or generally inferior about doing this. Good luck future-proofing consumer electronics

I am not saying it is - just he fact that it pisses people off. and like you say: " and gamers are a fickle bunch: If it has everything you want for the price you love it, if it doesn't you despise it with every fibre of your being.
." -

Perception IS reality, and to many the Elite it is percieved as a catch up.

Quoting AC320 (Reply 18):
Considering they favour digital distribution of HD content, such an add-in would simply add to the cost of the system and its likely to not be used by a significant percentage of the user base.

I agree with you - BUT - for a few more dollars you can get a PS3 WITH a blu-ray player already in it. So which one becomes a better deal?

Quoting AC320 (Reply 18):
PS3 now looks too boost its HD.

Ya it would be inetersting how they price it. It always has been replaceble really..



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12241 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1154 times:
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I don't own a PS3 nor an XBOX 360, but if I was to (not that it would ever happen) buy an XBOX 360, it would be the Elite version. Black just looks better  Smile So in my case it would be a welcomed upgrade.


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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6575 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1154 times:
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Quoting AC320 (Reply 18):
PS2 introduced ethernet capabilities when the Xbox got popular.

And how succesfull were they? Again - an afterthought - just like the Elite



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Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1148 times:

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 19):
So which one becomes a better deal?

Depends if you use it and if it wins the format war. Blu-Ray looks strong, but the future of the high-def disc era is cloudy. Let's not forget it mostly comes down to who has the games you like, for the better value argument.

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 21):
And how succesfull were they? Again - an afterthought - just like the Elite

Difference in utility of the new features, my friend. PS2' did not have the network integrity or infrastructure of Live. For the Elite version a high-def media maniac will appreciate the large herd drive and HDMI. I'm sure streaming high-def content from a Windows Media or vista computer to the X360 is only a software update away. Of course the only feature they really should have included was a/b/g/n wireless, since its geared more as a high-def media box the wireless would have a huge value-add feature. for gaming though, wireless interference will drive you nuts.


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Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1144 times:
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Quoting AC320 (Reply 22):
Depends if you use it and if it wins the format war.

Thing is Sony is creating the market for Blu-Ray. Most likely you will use it once you have it. You wont buy the PS3 exclusivly for the blu-ray.. but people would pay few more bucks to get it in a "its only $xx more" mentality.

Quoting AC320 (Reply 22):
Let's not forget it mostly comes down to who has the games you like, for the better value argument.

True

Quoting AC320 (Reply 22):
high-def media maniac

Didnt MS rencently critizied Sony for not keeping focused on gaming?



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Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1140 times:

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 23):
Didnt MS rencently critizied Sony for not keeping focused on gaming?

Marketing is fun isn't it?

"Our competitor has the wrong idea. We do the samething, but we do it better. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain"


25 Post contains images BoeingFever777 : LMAO... One of the blindest said statements ever to be said. Please...
26 Jush : No cable in the world for home use can be worth 300 pound. In no way. Or is it made from pure diamand with gold platinum and my sperm? Regds jush
27 Klaus : As with any other digital connection any signal quality issues are completely irrelevant as long as the quality is just slightly on the "good" side.
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