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Norfolk Southern's New F9 Locomotives  
User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7378 times:

Norfolk Southern released their new EMD F9 locomotives for their first run today. They're painted in the old Southern Railway's traditional black, white, & gold livery. I like the way they recessed the ditch lights. The bottom photo shows Southern's livery from 50 years ago.

http://67.15.20.45/images/images2/n/NS961-4270-Gallitzin,-PA-3-28-07-1.jpg.37522.jpg



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User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7373 times:

Wow, that's one beautiful locomotive. Would be nice to see it run by the former Nickel Plate Line (now owned by NS) that runs just south of my house.

User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7362 times:

Quoting N231YE (Reply 1):
Wow, that's one beautiful locomotive.

Under the hoods are modern prime movers, too. 16-cylinder, 2000hp roots blower EMD 16-645E engines.


User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1949 posts, RR: 31
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7353 times:

Stunning. What's the full story of these?

Great livery too (NS liveries in general...)



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7348 times:

Quoting N229NW (Reply 3):
What's the full story of these?

They were owned by Cruise America. NS bought them, stripped them, and started from scratch.

http://67.15.20.45/images/s/SLCC101-4ka.jpg.11654.jpg


User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7331 times:

Hope they sound insulated the cab-older carbody locomotives suck when it comes to cab noise. Es and Fs are nice looking but I sure wouldn't want to draw one in summertime in the South-you'd bake to death in one. Unlike the hood units such as the GP/SD series, their cabs had very poor airflow-especially at low speeds. At least on units like the GP-7, you could lash the cab door open and get a nice breeze. I've done that too many times.

A little bit of trivia-Southern had a set of Fs that they kept for office car specials. I don't recall exactly what became of that group but they were active as late as 1986.Personally I think the black and gray isn't so hot-they'd have done better to have repainted the locomotives in the Southern passenger colors of green, gold and gray or the Tuscan Red and gold of the office car sets.

Quoting N229NW (Reply 3):
Great livery too (NS liveries in general...)

They're better than they originally were. Seems to me that I recall that a number of NS (and former NS) engine and train men made unofficial modifications to the Thoroughbred for some time after the merger (ex-NW and SR folks).



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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7301 times:

Excellent Big grin

I love the F9's, such a great looking classic locomotive.

I'd kill for a ride behind one  Smile



Lee



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User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7293 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Thread starter):
Norfolk Southern released their new EMD F9 locomotives for their first run today.

"New" as in newly constructed or "new" as in "We found this F9 rusting somewhere so we immediately re-painted it and entered it into service as a one-off historic deal for all you train nuts so enjoy it you cheeky bastards"?  Confused



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User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7275 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 2):
Under the hoods are modern prime movers, too. 16-cylinder, 2000hp roots blower EMD 16-645E engines.

I thought the 710 is the more modern engine...


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7263 times:

Quoting AC773 (Reply 10):
Now for all the rest of you: my first post in this thread was rather poorly worded, but I'd still like to know: Is this a new, off-the-assembly-line locomotive, or just a repainted and redone classic hauler?

It's a rebuilt and repainted classic hauler  Smile

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 4):
NS bought them, stripped them, and started from scratch

Lee



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7243 times:

Quoting N231YE (Reply 9):
I thought the 710 is the more modern engine...

They wanted to use the same prime mover as found in all 500 of their GP38-2 locomotives. It makes maintenance easier.


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7229 times:

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 6):
I'd kill for a ride behind one

Your wish is perhaps granted?

http://www.wplives.org/FRRS_Home/Run...A_Locomotive/run_a_locomotive.html

I'll probably visit the museum in late May, would you like a report?


User currently offlineFlyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7221 times:

Great Locomotives, I love the F9! I like the paint they put on them, they should go to that for all engines, their current one has too much black.....


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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 7210 times:

It sounds like they rebuild the interiors from scratch, too. They reportedly have interiors similar to their SD70M locomotives.

http://67.15.20.45/images/n/NS_SD70M-2cabf.jpg.88726.jpg


User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 7199 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 13):
They wanted to use the same prime mover as found in all 500 of their GP38-2 locomotives. It makes maintenance easier.

That makes sense.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7187 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Thread starter):

Nice, but the old green, white, and gold Southern livery is better looking to me (As displayed on this E8 which is on display at the Southeastern Railway Museum up in Duluth):


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12250 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7175 times:
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Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 16):
They reportedly have interiors similar to their SD70M locomotives.

One thing I've never understood, why does the engineer sit sideways here in the US?

Compare to a similar Norwegian locomotive, the Di-3 (Norwegian type name) which is very similar on the outside:


Source: Norsk Jernbaneklubb

http://www.jernbane.net/upload4/IMGP5178.JPG
Source: Jernbane.net



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User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7168 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 19):

I am not sure, but I guess it probably dates to the days of steam locomotives. This was when engineers had that huge boiler in front so they had to look through small windows on either side.

Kinda like the GP9, although its a diesel-electric:

http://67.15.20.45/images/images2/s/SP_3005_with_151_Santa_Clara_May71RP.jpg.88147.jpg

http://67.15.20.45/images/c/Cab_3769.jpg.58257.jpg

Source: www.RailPictures.net

But this is just a guess, so I may be wrong.

[Edited 2007-03-29 21:12:38]

User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7156 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 19):
why does the engineer sit sideways here in the US?

Just a guess but maybe so they can travel in forward and reverse with out turning around


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7153 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 19):
One thing I've never understood, why does the engineer sit sideways here in the US?

Each railroad specifies their choice of controls: Traditional control stands vs. desk controls vs. hybrid controls. Here is the same make and model of locomotive with different controls:


CANADIAN PACIFIC
http://67.15.20.45/images/images2/c/CP8717Cab.jpg.62680.jpg


UNION PACIFIC
http://67.15.20.45/images/images2/i/IMG_5698.jpg.91663.jpg


BURLINGTON NORTHERN SANTA FE
http://67.15.20.45/images/b/bnsf_gevo_cab.jpg.58202.jpg


User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7128 times:

Quoting N231YE (Reply 1):
Would be nice to see it run by the former Nickel Plate Line (now owned by NS) that runs just south of my house.

My Mom worked for NP. I've got a book with some pictures in it around here somewhere. If I can find it I"ll scan a couple and post them.


User currently offlineScooter01 From Norway, joined Nov 2006, 1204 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7100 times:
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Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 19):
Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 16):


Compare to a similar Norwegian locomotive, the Di-3 (Norwegian type name) which is very similar on the outside:

The picture of the Di-3 really takes me back. It is from the Oslo East station with its long, wooden platform, before they put the railroad in a tunnel under the city and renamed it to Oslo Centrral.

As you might notice, the Di-3 is double-ended and the roof is more rounded to fit through European Standard tunnels and it has 6-wheel trucks. They were built in Sweden by NOHAB. The power is still all GM.

Most of the Di-3s were scrapped, 2 or 3 of them still are used for emergency services as no other locomotive seems to have their capabilities, and I understand 4 of them were sent to Kosovo to help rebuild their rail-system.

Scooter



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7070 times:

Here's a collection of the past two days' photos. Today, the trio of F locos and special GP38-2 hauled a charter train from Altoona, PA to the Master's Tournament in Augusta, GA. The train includes 15 former Norfolk & Western coaches and a special NS boxcar as a baggage car (full of golf clubs?).

http://www.railpictures.net/showphotos.php?road_number=NS%204270

Here's a teaser...

http://67.15.20.45/images/images2/n/NS_OCS_951_NS_4270_Mifflin_Pa_03-29-07.jpg.84010.jpg

[Edited 2007-03-30 03:35:29]

User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12250 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7049 times:
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Quoting Scooter01 (Reply 24):
Most of the Di-3s were scrapped, 2 or 3 of them still are used for emergency services as no other locomotive seems to have their capabilities, and I understand 4 of them were sent to Kosovo to help rebuild their rail-system.

Here's a nice link with pics and info about them.

Norsk Jernbaneklubb

Status Di3?
Di3 i Kosovo
Hvor mange Di3 er det igjen?



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7037 times:

I found a video of the train en route to the Masters.

http://www.larduskey.com/Movies/trains/NS951LN.mov


25 Post contains links and images AsstChiefMark : Street running in Augusta, Georgia.
26 Post contains links Scooter01 : The Swedes also used an all electric locomotive with the "bulldog nose" look - the RAPID http://www.gm-gruppen.no/images/rapid.jpg http://hem.bredband
27 N229NW : Thanks. (And keep the pictures coming!) I like all the black in the regular NS livery, and the stripes. For some reason it really works for me, espec
28 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : How about a video? Unrelated bonus shot from a couple days ago:
29 KaiGywer : Interesting concept with the flashing headlights. Is that normal on all trains over here?
30 Post contains images N231YE : As far as I know, yes. From what my father has stated (when working around active railroads), the lights flash when the train is moving, and are stea
31 AsstChiefMark : Normally, they're both steady burn. Some railroads program them to start alternating when the horn or bell is activated. Some use oscillating Mars or
32 Post contains links and images AsstChiefMark : Rounding the bend at Cornwell, South Carolina. More street running in Augusta, Georgia.
33 LASOctoberB6 : besides AMTKs Genesis P40s, that is my favorite engine the EMD F9. i never knew that engine was from the fifties till about 6 months ago when i was f
34 AsstChiefMark : On the internet. I've been monitoring the usual railfan sites. Mark
35 LASOctoberB6 : oh, i do that too...did Amtrak ever have F9s?
36 Post contains links and images AsstChiefMark : No F9's that I recall, but they had a few F7, E8, and E9 versions.
37 Post contains images KaiGywer : Good idea
38 ATAIndy : I agree, but I think the black in more NS style.
39 LASOctoberB6 : green and white just dont go together, green and black is more like it...!
40 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : But, those are Burlington Northern's colors!
41 57AZ : That depends. Locomotives that are used in commercial service are required to have the ditch lights. However, railroads can be exempted from installi
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