Rineanna From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 881 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2091 times:
Here you go, hope this solves your conundrum!:
Quote: Most Catholics think that Vatican II did away with the requirement of not eating meat on any Friday of the year. Most think it is now just Ash Wednesday and the Fridays of Lent that we cannot eat meat.
This is what the new Code of Canon Law brought out in 1983 says about the matter:
Abstinence from meat, or from some other food as determined by the Episcopal Conference, is to be observed on all Fridays, unless a solemnity should fall on a Friday. Abstinence and fasting are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.
Canon Law still requires that Catholics not eat meat on Fridays!
Of course, most Episcopal Conferences have determined that, instead of abstaining from meat, Catholics may perform an act of penance of their choosing. But, do you ever remember to abstain from a particular food or do some other penance on Fridays? And, at any rate, the main rule is still to abstain from meat on Fridays, the performance of another penance instead is an optional alternative.
It's very interesting to note that the National Conference of Catholic Bishops (the United States' Episcopal Conference) is currently debating whether to rescind the determination and require all Catholics to abstain from meat on all Fridays of the year. The Bishops are considering that a return to meatless Fridays for all Catholics would be of benefit because:
It is an expression of one's Catholicity; and
In reparation for the grave sin of abortion.
JetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3104 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2069 times:
Also take note Mirrodie that it's not only chicken, We aren't supposed to eat any meat products at all. And be thankful we are in todays world, because I remember hearing stories when I was in Catholic School about how this used to be a year round thing, not just Lent.
Kalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2027 times:
All this time I was eating chicken because I thought chicken is poultry and not considered red meat.
I feel bad. After all back in the days, you couldn't eat meat at all during Lent (not only on Fridays), hence Mardi Gras. And even more, as JetsGo said, year round. I'm grateful, though. It is all part of the humility. I may not have the zeal like other devout Catholics, but I understand why we do it. It's not always about me.
And by the way, I can take a Catholic joke once or twice and I can laugh at them, but after awhile, it just gets irritating folks.
Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who set the planets in motion.
Alfa75 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 616 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2027 times:
I too went to Catholic school for junior high and high school and I never got a more lucid explanation about the subject until I found the following passage in a book that I am currently reading.
It is quite interesting, the book is "Cod: a Biography of the Fish That Changed the World" by Mark Kurlansky.
And I quote,
"Catholicism gave the Basques their great opportunity. The medieval church imposed fast days on which sexual intercourse and the eating of flesh were forbidden, but the eating of 'cold' foods was permitted. Because fish came from water, it was deemed cold, as were waterfowl and whale, but meat was considered hot food. The Basques were already selling whale meat to Catholics on 'lean days,' which, since Friday was the day of Christ's crucifixion, included all Fridays, the forty days of Lent, and various other days of note on the religious calendar. In total meat was forbidden for almost half the days of the year, and those lean days eventually became salt cod days. Cod became almost a religious icon--a mythological crusader for Christian observance."
I believe it was the Second Vatican council in the mid sixties that changed the requirement from every Friday to only those that occur during Lent as well as Ash Wednesday. If I find proof of the matter I will post it here.
(Edited for spelling errors, I hope there are no more!!)
Mirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7456 posts, RR: 61
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1985 times:
Quoting WellHung (Reply 3): Because all the legs, thighs and breasts are on a priest's lap?
that was just wrong. But I laughed.
Quoting Kalakaua (Reply 8): All this time I was eating chicken because I thought chicken is poultry and not considered red meat.
Well, you finally caught on. AFAIK, chicken is poultry. Meat is meat. Since when is poultry considered meat?
I only posted the question regarding chicken thinking you'd have caught on early. In the 2nd post, yes, all that Vatican jargon is all good and nice, but I just fail to see how chicken is meat. Poultry is poultry, meat is meat and fish is fish.
Get it? When did this ridiculous chicken is meat conspiracy begin?
Forum moderator 2001-2010; He's a pedantic, pontificating, pretentious bastard, a belligerent old fart, a worthless st
Actually, you may eat anything you choose. No one is forcing you to abstain from anything, If you have to be forced your "gift" is of no value since it isn't a gift. The fasting and abstinence laws today are nothing but a relic of the old days anyway. The distinction between meat (red or white) and fish is what is important here. Meat lives on land and fish in water. Chickens live on land, ergo, they are meat.
Those of us who keep these "recommendations" do so simply to remind ourselves of the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross for our sins. They are hardly payment for anything, but like a small child's homemade gift to Mom or Dad on their birthdays, just an offering of our love. To gripe and complain about something so trivial seems pretty petty when we consider why we are asked to sacrifice, and no, I am not saying you are doing so.
If you really want to sacrifice, try following Kosher dietary restrictions.
By the way, I went to Catholic grade school, high school, university, and seminary for graduate school -- a total of 21 years. When I was ordained at 27 my father asked me, "Are you finally going to go to work now?" In a month I turn 60 so I've been at it awhile.
N231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1916 times:
This thread reminds me of the "tizzy" from last year: St. Patrick's day, when eating corned beef is the tradition, fell on a Friday (lent: no meat). I asked my church's Pasteur, who said that as long as the only meat I ate was corned beef, that would be fine.
Delta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1869 times:
Its rules like not being able to eat chicken on Fridays during Lent made me an Episcopalian. LOL J/K. I was raised Catholic and have a deep respect for the Roman Catholic Church. I have to say Anglicanism is better though!
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12932 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days ago) and read 1814 times:
You know it's strange, I never actually knew that. I was born and raised a Catholic and my parents (who are now in Rome!) are staunchly Catholic, but we never abstained from meat on a Friday - except of course for Good Friday! You learn a new thing every day.
My concerns are about Hell. The previous Pope suggested that Hell doesn't exist and now, the new (well, new-ish) Pope says there is a place of pain and torment (and I'm assuming he doesn't mean East Enders). So, is there a Hell? I do wish they'd make their mind up.
Delta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1800 times:
Quote: My concerns are about Hell. The previous Pope suggested that Hell doesn't exist and now, the new (well, new-ish) Pope says there is a place of pain and torment (and I'm assuming he doesn't mean East Enders). So, is there a Hell? I do wish they'd make their mind up.
I feel that Hell is a dark remoteness from the Almighty Father rather than a place of pain and torment. Most mainline churches believe this also.
StarCruiser From United States of America, joined May 2004, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1750 times:
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 17): You know it's strange, I never actually knew that. I was born and raised a Catholic and my parents (who are now in Rome!) are staunchly Catholic, but we never abstained from meat on a Friday - except of course for Good Friday! You learn a new thing every day.
Perhaps all of us Americans should have made clear we were discusing the customs for the USA. The pope dispensed all European Catholics of Friday abstinence during WWII due to the difficulty of getting meat. If it happened to arrive on Friday people had to eat it then or it might go bad. After the war it is my understanding that the practice of abstinence was never reinstituted (Europeans, correct me if I am wrong). In the USA we were never dispensed as it was easier to obtain meat here. Actually it was much harder to obtain fish then rather than meat. Remember those horrendous fish sticks? Yuuk!
In my earlier comment when I said that fowl and land animals were all considered as meat for the purposes of abstinence, I was not speaking of biological categories. Jews make similar distinctions when speaking of both clean and unclean fish and animals. Shellfish and fish without scales are unclean and fish with scales are clean. Yet all come from the sea. We now know that those particular unclean fish tended to go bad very quickly and made people ill or caused their deaths. As late as the kidnapping of the Jews from an Air France flight from TLV-ATH-ORY some years ago the Jews were held at the airport in Entebee, Uganda. Those who refused to eat unclean food and ate mostly fruits and vegetables remained healthy while those who ate pork and other unclean foods became very ill.
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31792 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1736 times:
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 17): I was born and raised a Catholic and my parents (who are now in Rome!) are staunchly Catholic, but we never abstained from meat on a Friday - except of course for Good Friday
Same Here Roman Catholic Family.Total Fast on Good Friday & other Fridays during lent Including Ash Wednesday & Maundy Thursday No meat.