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Abolish Bilingual Education, Gingrich Urges  
User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

"WASHINGTON (AP) -- Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich equated bilingual education Saturday with "the language of living in a ghetto" and mocked requirements that ballots be printed in multiple languages.

"The government should quit mandating that various documents be printed in any one of 700 languages depending on who randomly shows up" to vote, said Gingrich, who is considering seeking the Republican presidential nomination in 2008. He made the comments in a speech to the National Federation of Republican Women."

I am 100% for this. This is america. Speak english or get out.

I understand the US is made up of different ethnicities, but everything should be done in 100% english.

More at: http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/...1/gingrich.bilingual.ap/index.html


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

While I wouldn't use quite the language, I must agree . . .

This is America. Wanna live here, speak English. There is no damn way I should hear "For English Press 1" when I use a phone.

OK, exceptions: Emergency numbers, medical calls. Otherwise . . . . that's it.

Ditto road signs, wanna navigate, learn to Habla.


Besides alllllll that: We graducate kids from school every day - ok, US Born and bred kids - that cannot use the English language properly . . . can't spell, can't speak, but we declare them "educated". Why do we want to complicate this with an additional language. Get the English right FIRST.


User currently offlineDuff44 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2626 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
This is America. Wanna live here, speak English. There is no damn way I should hear "For English Press 1" when I use a phone.

There's no way you should hear an automated voice when you pick up the phone, regardless what it says

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Ditto road signs, wanna navigate, learn to Habla.

Are there road signs in other languages in the US? I've never seen them if there are...

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Besides alllllll that: We graducate kids from school every day - ok, US Born and bred kids - that cannot use the English language properly . . . can't spell, can't speak, but we declare them "educated". Why do we want to complicate this with an additional language. Get the English right FIRST.

Leave the 'additional language' comment out, and I completely agree with that.



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User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2609 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Besides alllllll that: We graducate kids from school every day - ok, US Born and bred kids - that cannot use the English language properly . . . can't spell, can't speak, but we declare them "educated". Why do we want to complicate this with an additional language. Get the English right FIRST.

You're right about getting the English right first, however US students are already falling behind much of the worlds graduates (who almost all bilingual). The reality is that the world is more and more becoming a global market. Unilingual graduates will be the least desirable I'm afraid.

The whole ghetto comment by Newt is ridiculous.

Kris



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User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5366 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2606 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
This is America. Wanna live here, speak English.

But you forget, John, that that's never been the case, really. If you stepped into Little Italy or Chinatown or any other ethnic enclave in any major city in the US at the beginning of the 20th century, you'd be run out of town on a rail for even suggesting that. Most immigrants coming into the US in the mid 19th and early 20th centuries had little, if any knowledge of English and the solution then was multilingualism - important documents were often published in the language of the dominant minority of a city or enclave. The same scare tactics have come up time and time again - that somehow America will be mongrelized by unwashed hoardes speaking strange languages. Time and time again the same thing has happened - the use of the native language diminishes with each succeeding generation. Bilingual education has been around as long as there's been a United States - I'd go so far as to say I'm pretty certain Gingrich's Pennsylvania Dutch forebears benefitted from binlingual education without much complaint from them.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 2):
Are there road signs in other languages in the US? I've never seen them if there are...

Miami.

El Paso

Houston

Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 3):
You're right about getting the English right first, however US students are already falling behind much of the worlds graduates (who almost all bilingual). The reality is that the world is more and more becoming a global market. Unilingual graduates will be the least desirable I'm afraid.

The whole ghetto comment by Newt is ridiculous.

Which is why, amongst other reasons, we need to concentrate on English. A lot of our "graduates" can't speaktheir own language, much less make an attempt at another. . . .

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 4):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
This is America. Wanna live here, speak English.

But you forget, John, that that's never been the case, really

No I didn't forget.

I expect such when I'm in little Italy. I have NO inhibitions about learning a second language. Not at all.

However, when I was 10-12-15-18 . . . even 205-30, I never heard "For English Press1" on the phone. I just assumed (and spare me the cliche,  laughing  ) that's what I would hear . . . . this IS America. What the hell else would I expect.

Now before I can talk to anyone, not only do I have to select English  redflag  I have to listen to thirty five message, Press 1, Press 5, press 3, Press 5#, and STILL I'm probably talking to the same agent.  irked 


I don't want to scare anyone, nor do I want their heritage destroyed. What I wanti is, immigrants to speak English.

Anyone ever use a phone in Germany???? Anyone ever for Ensglish press einze? Not a frackin' chance.

How about Australia, anyone ever get "For English Press 1"?  duck 

You get my point, I'm sure.


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5366 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
Anyone ever for Ensglish press einze? Not a frackin' chance.

FWIW though, Germany doesn't have the same historical tradition as the US - keep in mind that any sort of large-scale immigration into Western Europe has only been a phenomenon for the last 50 years - we've had to deal with it since almost Day 1. Our cultural history has always been one of acommodation towards new arrivals



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2583 times:

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 6):
Our cultural history has always been one of acommodation towards new arrivals

Yes,it has, and should be. However, there comes a time, when the line must be drawn.

When we start posting signed in SPANISH first = see Miami, then we've a problem. And I'm not talking about the signs at the local Spanish grocer . . . let him/her hang whatever they want. . .

When we see signed on Gov't buildings, on street corners, etc in a language other than English, first, we have a problem.

My daughter now wants to learn japanese, having spent the last month with a Japanese exvhange student at her house. I say go for it, as soon as you've give a decent go at English, press on.


User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2579 times:

Well after I heard this: "Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich equated bilingual education Saturday with "the language of living in a ghetto" I didn't really care to listen to what Mr. Gingrich said. What an ignorant statement.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
However, when I was 10-12-15-18 . . . even 205-30, I never heard "For English Press1" on the phone.

Well duh, Alexander Graham Bell spoke English.  silly 

Dave



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7405 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2576 times:
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Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 6):
Germany doesn't have the same historical tradition as the US - keep in mind that any sort of large-scale immigration into Western Europe has only been a phenomenon for the last 50 years - we've had to deal with it since almost Day 1. Our cultural history has always been one of acommodation towards new arrivals

Yes, but those are much smaller countries, and with mass emmigration of it's own citizens, the same is soon to come elsewhere. As more foreigner immigrants come to places like Britain, France, Germany, and Denmark, as the numbers go up, so will their demands for the host country to asimilate to their culture. For example, last year, some representatives of muslims locales in Britain were demanding Sha'ria law for muslim citizens, saying it was justification that muslims should not have to be subject to a law system they don't recongnise. And if that were to happen, society would explode into chaos. And the same could be said in the Mid east, where many motorway signs are both in Arabic and English. But that's mainly becuase alot of these Arab/Gulf states are business metropolis'. I'm sure many hardline religeous leaders may not like that, as many Americans wouldn, like to see spanish translations below the English signage.



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User currently offlineJ_Hallgren From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

When I'm having trouble reading the labels on food products because they have English and Spanish all mixed together, that's when I definitely agree! My parents came to US from Sweden back in the 1920's-40's and had to learn English to survive here, so why can't folks now? This dual language thing has to end!


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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3829 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

Are there road signs in other languages in the US? I've never seen them if there are...




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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7405 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2569 times:
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Quoting J_Hallgren (Reply 10):
My parents came to US from Sweden back in the 1920's-40's and had to learn English to survive here, so why can't folks now?

Reluctance to do so could be one reason. This past December in Seattle, there over 50 people killed due to fire and smoke inhalation due to partly in fact they couldn't read warning the labels on gas cookers, space heaters and charcoal grills. They lit them off indoors to keep warm and died, burned out apartments in buildings. Had they been able to read warning labels, they may have in fact avoided death or injury.



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User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5366 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2563 times:

Quoting J_Hallgren (Reply 10):
English to survive here, so why can't folks now?

Again, the trend is that as immigrant cultures settle that the use of their native tongue will decline. The problem with immigration from Spanish-speaking cultures is that it's been a generation-spanning migration and it's still in the somewhat early stages. Again, people are learning but it usually takes a generation or two to see pronounced effects.



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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

Well, once when I was in the 6th grade. I went to a public middle school in Los Angeles (Westwood, if your familiar with the area).

While I was in the advanced classes, some of the regular classes were divided into 30 minute periods(normally 1 hour) so they could teach in Spanish to the Hispanic (Read: Mexican) students and the other 30 minutes to the English speaking students.

I'm sure that hellhole has only gotten worst because they are now busing in more kids on "Opportunity Transfers" from poorer,crime-riddled neighborhoods about 25miles to the Southeast.

 boggled 

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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2551 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 14):
While I was in the advanced classes, some of the regular classes were divided into 30 minute periods(normally 1 hour) so they could teach in Spanish to the Hispanic (Read: Mexican) students and the other 30 minutes to the English speaking students.

 redflag  irked 

Nonsense.

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 13):
The problem with immigration from Spanish-speaking cultures is that it's been a generation-spanning migration and it's still in the somewhat early stages. Again, people are learning but it usually takes a generation or two to see pronounced effects.

Well, hell, we've got muti-generatios of Spanish (read: Mexican) populations here. Not a first generation or second . . . . don't you think is's about time???

I do. About twety years ago.


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2548 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 15):
Nonsense.

Why is it nonsense?



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User currently offlineTIA From Albania, joined Mar 2006, 524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2544 times:

While I wouldn't expect all immigrants to learn English since I'm quite aware that it is much, much harder for older people to learn a new language, there is absoutely no excuse for school kids to not know English. There is no case for bilingual education. If anything, it slows down the integration of young immigrants in the US. Yes I know that when people first arrive in the US they might not know English and that they would have an extremely hard time being put in a classroom where they don't understand anything. But I bet that it would be a lot more beneficial to them if they struggled the first few months in such a setting and learned English than being taught in their native tongue and still not knowing English a year later. Young people can pick up a new language quite easily if the environment around them dictates so. And I know this for a fact since I was in that position once.

User currently offlineJ_Hallgren From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 12):
there over 50 people killed due to fire and smoke inhalation due to partly in fact they couldn't read warning the labels

That's just common sense to not use those things indoors...like not trying to cross an interstate highway on foot at night, etc....so learning English is critical if one wants to be here and function...just like if I went to live in Sweden, I'd try and learn their language, even though I'd be able to get by without it.



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User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5366 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2537 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 15):
Well, hell, we've got muti-generatios of Spanish (read: Mexican) populations here. Not a first generation or second . . . . don't you think is's about time???

That's precisely the problem though, Pep. You have a pretty continuous stream coming through, same as with Germans in the 19th century. You have multiple generations and odds are your younger generations born in the country are fluent and your older generations can read/converse in English at a functional better or level. Your fresh in the country migrant fruit picker, however, is of course not going to have the same level of English. I feel like I'm not making myself clear due to the late hour and exhaustion on my part from working on a paper all night last night and then having to drive to CAE today, but basically what I'm trying to say is that you can't look at all immigrants as a monolithic group - you can't say "well there have been Mexicans in this country for multiple generations, they should all know English to the point of being fully conversent." The problem with that line of thought is that as it's a continuous stream within the last few decades, you'll have the family who has been in the country for multiple generations and has mastery of the English language but you're still going to have the new immigrant who has yet to acquire the language or is working to do so. Given time that new immigrant will pick up and master the language - that's what I mean to say. With that, I'm going to get reacquainted with my bed so that I'm semi-coherent tomorrow!



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User currently offlineFiatstilojtd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2537 times:

Here in Austria it is confusing.....on one side the government tries more and more to force Turks, former yugoslavian etc. to learn German (there are many children who were born here but cannot speak a single german word when they start school - most of the times very old fashioned thinking parents prohibit that)....however on the other hand side we offer more and more services (Government-Webpages, Driving School etc.) in foreign languages (for example in Turkish Language)....so why should they learn German when they can have every important information etc. they need in their own Language.

User currently offlineMelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1592 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
How about Australia, anyone ever get "For English Press 1"?

Not yet. However, most, if not all government departments will publish copies of their information in other languages, the main 'other languages' here would be Vietnamese, Chinese(Mandarin & Cantonese) Arabic, Farsi, Hindi(this is rarely a problem here as most Indians/Pakastanis who come here are highly qualified & are fluent in English). Just look up the website of any State/Federal govenment department here & you'll see this. Also there is a Telephone translating service where people who speak a lanuage other than English are able to contact government departments & translate on their behalf (I used to get quite a few of these calls at work).

All road signs are in English, although in areas with large immigrant populations (Springvale here in MEL comes to mind, with a large Vietnamese population) may have local directional signs in the language of the main immigrant population of the area, also many of the shops may be in a forigen language. Up to the late 80's, it was quite commmon to see shop signs in the inner suburbs here in Greek & Italian (Melbourne has the largest Greek-born population outside of Greece), now if you drive down Springvale Rd Springvale or Victoria Street in Richmond, you could be mistaken for driving through Saigon, for all the shopfronts written in Vietnamese.

It would be a boring place without immigration. (We'd proably still be eating pork pies with spotted dick for dessert)



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User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3353 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2496 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
Anyone ever use a phone in Germany????

I think there will be a fair amount of persons making calls in Germany. 

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
Anyone ever for Ensglish press einze? Not a frackin' chance.

Don't suppose you have made a lot of calls to Der Heimat then? Try for instance the DHL-hotline where if I am not mistaken you will get the "For English press one".



edited for spelling

[Edited 2007-04-01 12:00:47]


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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3702 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 2481 times:
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Quoting Flyingbronco05 (Thread starter):
"WASHINGTON (AP) -- Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich equated bilingual education Saturday with "the language of living in a ghetto" and mocked requirements that ballots be printed in multiple languages.

"The government should quit mandating that various documents be printed in any one of 700 languages depending on who randomly shows up" to vote, said Gingrich, who is considering seeking the Republican presidential nomination in 2008. He made the comments in a speech to the National Federation of Republican Women."

I am 100% for this. This is america. Speak english or get out.

I understand the US is made up of different ethnicities, but everything should be done in 100% english.

Most intelligent thing that Newt has ever said. I wish I could add him to my respected users list. Que the Liberal response. Perhaps instead of Spanish we could bring up the old California plan to teach kids Ebonics in schools? Don't you think that's a good idea? Educate an entire state to speak slang and sound lick jackasses.



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User currently offlineDisruptivehair From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 days ago) and read 2480 times:

Quoting TIA (Reply 17):
While I wouldn't expect all immigrants to learn English since I'm quite aware that it is much, much harder for older people to learn a new language, there is absoutely no excuse for school kids to not know English. There is no case for bilingual education. If anything, it slows down the integration of young immigrants in the US. Yes I know that when people first arrive in the US they might not know English and that they would have an extremely hard time being put in a classroom where they don't understand anything. But I bet that it would be a lot more beneficial to them if they struggled the first few months in such a setting and learned English than being taught in their native tongue and still not knowing English a year later. Young people can pick up a new language quite easily if the environment around them dictates so. And I know this for a fact since I was in that position once.

I completely agree. As adults get older, they lose the ability to acquire a new language to fluency. Some linguists think that even the teens is too late to start for some people. I first started studying foreign languages at 14 and I now speak four languages, but each was harder than the last to learn.

We had bilingual education in my high school; those kids started high school speaking Spanish and ended it speaking Spanish. Oddly enough kids from places like Romania, Poland, and Brazil weren't included in bilingual education classes in my school since they didn't speak Spanish either. They became fluent in English within months and integrated completely. It was frustrating watching them screw over those Hispanic kids in bilingual education classes. It may sound tough, but just throw kids in the deep end. They almost always swim.


25 777236ER : Perhaps you should learn yourself before you start preaching to others?
26 Falcon84 : Had that been the attitude of people, say, back in the late 1800's, and early 1900's, we wouldn't be the nation we are today. As was mentioned above,
27 Post contains images AirTran737 :
28 Falcon84 : All you're doing, friend, is showning your own abhorence for others who are different than you; your ignorance and arrogance. Left to those like you,
29 Jetjack74 : It is common sense for most of us. But as in some cases, some in the Somali community(which Seattle has an ever-growing East-African population), som
30 AirTran737 : They are completely free to speak their languages, but they need to learn ours, and use it as their everyday means of communication. This has nothing
31 Post contains links MD11Engineer : It has been proven that the younger children are, the easier it is for them to learn languages, so the argument learn English first and a foreign lang
32 LH423 : Nice. It was a pretty slander-free thread until you came. I am a liberal and I don't support bilingual education. Wanna retract that statement? While
33 PLANAR : Ever used a phone in India? English is not even our close language, infact the language of our rulers, whom the whole country once hated with passion
34 AirTran737 : Well I just returned from a three day vacation imposed by the Moderators, I have to ruffle a few feathers. I don't think that I was to harsh, but it'
35 Blackbird : Is Gingrich running for President?
36 Disruptivehair : Probably.
37 Falcon84 : Oh, I think it does, because there's still far too many Americans who just don't WANT immigrants, and they're using this issue to bash them on. The o
38 AirTran737 : I have no problems with the immigrants at all. My girlfriend's parents came here from Vietnam in early 1981 and damn near lost their lives doing so.
39 AirCop : Another problem with this idea, is when the treaty was signed with Mexico regarding California, it specific states that Spanish would be one of the of
40 Copaair737 : They should learn English. When my ancestors came over off the boat from Italy, it was sink or swim. Either learn English, or sink. Needless to say, t
41 Post contains images N174UA : Couldn't agree more. I appreciate the diversity that others add to the country, but if I moved to a non-English speaking country, the silent expectat
42 Falcon84 : Then we've found common ground, because I agree. I don't agree with the attitude that is on those shirts, as I can hope you'll understand, because I
43 Disruptivehair : The UK has absorbed hundreds of thousands of eastern European migrants since 2004, when the EU gained 10 new member states. The same debate is raging
44 Yellowstone : My 2 cents/.22 pesos - If you want to be a citizen, or even just a resident alien, in the US, you should learn to speak English. To me, this seems lik
45 Post contains images OzGlobal : i) Tend to agree, there must be a universal first language in any country. ii) However, the Americans who hold this conviction most vehemently tend t
46 Gemuser : In Oz we have the Adult Migrant Education Program which is available free to all immigrants from non english speaking countries. It is basically "Eng
47 OzGlobal : I'm going to need a 'bilingual education' just to pronounce his name.....
48 RichPhitzwell : I wish my school had a mandatory second language taught. Knowing a second language would be highly beneficial for anyone. Hell, If I had a choice I wo
49 Blackbird : I think Gingrich is a dangerous man if he gets into the White House. One of the things he wants to do is pretty much control and regulate the internet
50 Aeroboy904 : Good point: the number of towns, cities, and states in the U.S. with foreign names or derivatives: Some that come to my mind: FRENCH Boise Detroit Sa
51 Falcon84 : On most things, I tend to disagree with that assessment. Newt is probably a bit too conservative for me, but he's smart, and he sees the big picture
52 Post contains images Asturias : Who was the lingual mastermind who translated 'caution' into 'prohibido'? Prohibido means forbidden or prohibitided (obviously). That sign should hav
53 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : - this is TWO different things. One is the point that whomever wishes to participate in US-American politics needs to understand English, while the o
54 102IAHexpress : This is true. But just to clairify Houston does not have any street signs in Spanish, but we do have many street signs in Vietnamese, mostly in SW Ho
55 Cadet985 : When my great grandparents came to the US in the 1890s-1900s, they were FORCED to learn at least a little English. Marc
56 TransIsland : I never thought I'd agree with Gingrich! While I am pro-immigration, I do think that immigrants ought to adopt the ways of the host society. Similarly
57 ME AVN FAN : sure, but what do you mean by that ?? do you mean that they should forget their original language and culture ? do you mean that retaining some knowl
58 Post contains images PLANAR :
59 TransIsland : Don't be such a sissy. No, I don't want Haitians in the Bahamas (I wasn't talking about Hispanics in the US, but the same is true for them) to abando
60 Post contains links LH423 : I believe the 'caution' was meant for English speakers to let them know that there are often runners crossing the road at that point. The 'prohibido'
61 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : - THIS indeed is to be the most normal way in the world, and actually IS the way of most people - - I remember Miami as a Spanish speaking city, lega
62 ME AVN FAN : - Most Swiss Cantons offer language courses for foreigners. Depending on location such courses are for German, French or Italian. And if foreigners m
63 LH423 : Americans need to realize that Miami is a lost cause. Spanish, in most parts of Miami, is the lingua franca. Exactly my point. Americans want immigra
64 Disruptivehair : I speak French and I understand people from Haiti just fine; the accent is strong but it IS French. What they speak in Louisiana OTOH is not French.
65 OzGlobal : Because illegal immigration is a pillar of your economy: below award pay for jobs no one else wants. The economic arrangements you have chosen profit
66 Post contains images Baroque : Come on now, a standing pork pie far excels those offal trays that pass for a pie in Aus! Maybe someone else has commented, but the rest of the Engli
67 ME AVN FAN : I understand those Louisiana people also if they speak Cajun-French as French it is whenever a bit peculiar, not least as they do NOT use the "double
68 CastleIsland : It is interesting to note that the US was founded on the concept of freedom, and many members here apparently interpret that to mean "well, just the f
69 Falcon84 : God but that cartoon is sweet in its irony, isn't it?
70 Post contains images Carmenlu15 : I just don't get why you guys are so afraid of learning another language... be it Spanish, German, Swahili or whatever. And to think that part of the
71 JJJ : For a country so often talking about freedom (economic and otherwise) it's curious to hear some of the comments here. Yes, inmigrants should learn Eng
72 Post contains images Mir : While I agree that the state of English fluency in this country is appalling, there's no reason that we can't teach our kids to speak English AND ano
73 Post contains images Asturias : Hehe puede ser. Yes, this is what I thought.. but there are many Latin American colloquial phrases not familiar with me, so I just wanted to make sur
74 Andrej : Hello all, I usually do not respond in these forums, however I am 100% behind this idea. Mind you I came to this country (USA) when I was 13. I could
75 Asturias : Yeah, and if you move to Belgium or Switzerland? What then smartypants? There are two languages in the USA. Not just one. Spanish is a minority langu
76 Cadet985 : I admire you. When I graduated high school in 2003, there was a student from Russia in my class, who I knew had been in the states since he was 5 yea
77 Post contains links and images ME AVN FAN : Switzerland ? very easy ! he can look on the language map where exactly he will be and then learn the appropriate official language ! here it is : an
78 ME AVN FAN : - this is a strange statement. So many US-American Anglos talk about people who according to them refuse to learn English, but except in Miami and th
79 Disruptivehair : You're telling ME I have to choose? *I* choose to pay more for items and kick out the illegals. Unfortunately, I don't get a choice. Me, choose. WHAT
80 Mham001 : The most telling thing is his specific issue with ballots in other languages. Supposedly, a person needs to have citizenship to vote. Becoming a citiz
81 OzGlobal : Certainly. That's what democracies are for, isn't it. I stand by my comment. The US citizen is more attached to cheap commodities than they are to th
82 Andrej : Hello Asturias, I respect your opinion. Unfortinately we are not talking about Belgium or Swizterland. I have no problems with people in Harlem, Pert
83 LH423 : And this demonstrates another point. Americans cannot (or will not) distinguish between 'immigration' and 'illegal immigration'. At no point did I me
84 Asturias : I agree with this completely. Nobody should refuse to learn to speak the language(s) of a country. Sometimes though, there is more than one language
85 LHMARK : I'm curious. It's not that I disagree with the importance of learning an adopted country's language, but how many of you have seriously tried to learn
86 Post contains images Andrej : Hello LHMARK, I consider myself lucky. When I was 3 years old, my parents moved to Prague (then Czechoslovakia) and I picked up Czech language really
87 CastleIsland : Very true. I would like to see people who come to the US try to learn English, but we have no official language here. The anger/vehemence expressed h
88 Blackbird : Gingrich did state something, which essentially amounted to wanting to spy on people online and regulate the internet. While the goal he said was to p
89 Disruptivehair : Don't talk to me like I'm in charge. I'm not. I hate it when Europeans do that. I didn't say anything about legal immigrants, but nice work reading s
90 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : - you may not exactly love it, but the states of Florida, Texas and California, looking at demographics, will have at least 50% of the population bei
91 OzGlobal : i) Never said you were in charge. That's your interpretation. ii) You have expressed a strong opinion on what should happen with respect to control o
92 Disruptivehair : Um....do I have to remind you that I LIVED in Texas for 25 years? You visited a few times...the last time 10 years ago...and all of a sudden you know
93 Disruptivehair : Mmm...no. You spoke to me as if *I* had the power to change anything, telling me what I HAD to do. Don't backpedal and tell me it's my fault for 'int
94 ME AVN FAN : I never knew more about your state than you do ! Outsiders however, who only visit a place a few times many years apart will notice differences which
95 Disruptivehair : Believe me, I NOTICED that people around me spoke Spanish. It never escaped my attention. *shrug* Most Texan Anglos are first-generation Texans anywa
96 Post contains links Disruptivehair : The language tests are extremely easy; they seem to be written at a level that an 8 year-old could understand. You can be exempted from the language
97 JJJ : There's the point, inmigrants should learn English out of necessity or own will, not because the government has a certain language policy about a lan
98 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : yes, but towards foreigners behave as if their ancestors had been fighting with Sam Houston - THAT indeed is a major problem. Those children who are
99 Disruptivehair : I disagree. When my husband and I get to Texas, we'll again be taxpayers...and I don't want to pay my taxes so the state can throw more money down th
100 Banco : Hmm. I should have thought that of all languages, English is the one least in need of governmental support just about anywhere, let alone the US.
101 Disruptivehair : *shrug* That's stupid, but it's something that people have to accept about the culture. First-gen Texans are often fiercely proud of the state...and
102 JJJ : Show that to your politicians, vote for whoever is against that. There are other citizens who will do otherwise. When they can form a critical mass j
103 Disruptivehair : Well, they're stupid. This isn't about critical masses, this is about the state being required to provide a service at our expense for the betterment
104 JJJ : I don't live in TX, or anywhere in the US for that matter. Here schooling is done in one of the two official languages in this area, as per parents c
105 Disruptivehair : I don't know where you live...the flag says Spain so I'm trying to think where there'd be two official languages...I'm thinking maybe in the Barcelon
106 ME AVN FAN : A) here we are in the question, HOW the BIlingual education is to be organized and who is to pay for what. There are many different solutions, many d
107 Disruptivehair : Texas isn't Switzerland. Multi-language instruction is not necessary nor do I think it's even a good idea for us. You guys can do what you want.
108 ME AVN FAN : beside the point, that "period" is a strange word for "point" or "full-stop", there is no room for this word in an ongoing discussion. - A) there may
109 Disruptivehair : Possible, but not likely. Offering instruction in Spanish won't get us closer to that. The US has no shortage of people who speak other languages, pa
110 ME AVN FAN : I am quite sure that these three languages would be quite helpful when looking for a job in the London area
111 Disruptivehair : Nobody has beaten a path to my door yet; besides, I have no interest in living in London.
112 Yellowstone : Another thing to keep in mind, regarding bilingualism, is that many of these Latino immigrants may not be fully fluent in Spanish, either (limited voc
113 JJJ : Close to BCN area, on a different autonomous community with slightly different rules than Catalonia. On the issue of tradition, Spanish has been cont
114 ME AVN FAN : I do NOT believe that it is good to reduce the demands. The challenge is a major thing in learning, and to have it interesting another. Quite to the
115 Disruptivehair : Yes, I'm aware of it. We were required to take a year of Texas history, and one of my good friends is a Texian. Her family has been in Texas longer t
116 JJJ : Again it's a matter of choice. Everyone's aware of that yet some people will inevitably choose a different path. But the case of Spanish in the US is
117 Derico : Just learn the language of the country you wish to reside in, period. It is fine to speak it badly at it as long as you make the effort, but don't sta
118 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : and ? I mean does it matter to you if people in an elevator speak languages you do not understand ? For me, people in an elevator wherever can talks
119 Jaysit : How does one say "DIVORCE" in Spanish? Or Vietnamese? And how does one say "lying, cheating, whoring fat flabby right-wing Christian-phony hypocrite"
120 Mham001 : Nobody in this thread has advocated penalizing legal immigrants. There are innumerable ESL programs all over the place, public and private sponsored.
121 Jaysit : Actually you are only half right. While bilingual education has been banned by many states (including Massachusetts that started the trend), there ar
122 Disruptivehair : Depends who you ask, really. My aunt and cousin are both public school teachers in Texas and they think NCLB has been a disaster.
123 Jaysit : I think it puts a LOT of pressure on teachers in schools because federal funding of schools at the district level is only guaranteed if performance o
124 Yellowstone : The biggest problem with it is that it requires 100% of students to score "proficient" or above on standardized testing by 2014, or else they start p
125 LH423 : Actually, if you go back and read my original post, I don't advocate bilingual education. I believe all students should be taught in English in the U
126 Lehpron : I nth the motion. I agree there should be one language for communication and whatnot, people that want to be here should learn the majority language,
127 ME AVN FAN : in THIS case, I would be in favour to have THIS just in the official language(s) of the place. I do NOT speak here about any particular country but a
128 Disruptivehair : They object to a system that teaches kids to take/pass a test instead of teaching kids how to think. I think it's a terrible idea and I don't know a
129 Banco : What difference would that make? An "official" language merely means that all legal documents and so forth would have to be in English, and since the
130 Disruptivehair : Well, it might go some way towards ending this debate, which has been raging in the US for years. It's one of the Republicans' pet issues. Just make
131 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : - possibly NOT official in strictly legal terms but English is defacto THE national language of the USA. The advantage of having English as THE OFFIC
132 Kmh1956 : Why? It's not even the original language of the country.
133 Post contains images BlueElephant : I Live in the United States and I must say...having traveled extensively outside of the US, we are falling behind. There are many countries where it
134 Jaysit : Hark, all ye defenders of the pug nosed pig-man, one Newton Gingrich. Said pig-man has apologized for his piggish remark. On YouTube. A pat on the hea
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