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XP/Vista Compatibility Issues?  
User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1519 times:

My Laptop is dying, the DVD drive is poked and the USB Bus is having regular fits and seizures.

Buying a new Laptop means it will come with Vista on it and the rest of my organisation has only just caught up with me by installing XP.

They upgraded because powerpoint shows written by me wouldn't play correctly on pre-XP OS's.

So, question is, should I get a new laptop and get shot of Vista in favour of XP to reduce compatbility issues or is Vista fully Ok with earlier systems?

Does Vistas's version of word work OK on Win 95 and 98 machines too?

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User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

Why buy Vista when you can buy a Mac?

Signed,
Klaus

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Quoting Jafa39 (Thread starter):
So, question is, should I get a new laptop and get shot of Vista in favour of XP to reduce compatbility issues or is Vista fully Ok with earlier systems?

Does Vistas's version of word work OK on Win 95 and 98 machines too?

Unless your 'earlier system' is not more than 2 years old (I believe), you'd probably be better off buying a new system, since Vista is pretty hard on the graphics, etc.

As far as the new MS Office 2007, that is not included with Vista, you must purchase that separately (unless of course, you buy a new Vista-PC with Office 2007 pre-installed).

Word 2007 only works on Vista and XP (may be 2000, but I am not sure).


User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1507 times:

I bought a laptop just prior to the official launch of Vista. It had the Media Center Edition on it. I assume it may still be possible to find one that still has XP on it. If all else fails, back it up, format, and install XP on it. Keep the back up for when they get it right 5 years from now.


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User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1486 times:

Quoting N231YE (Reply 1):
Word 2007 only works on Vista and XP (may be 2000, but I am not sure).

But can I write word docs and they will be readable on win95/98 machine?


User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1485 times:

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 3):
But can I write word docs and they will be readable on win95/98 machine?

As long as you save the document in Word 95-2003 format (.doc), and not in Word 2007 (.docx).


User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

The biggest issue you are going to find is if you decide to run 64b and have nothing but 32b programs.

Funny how 64 has been around for a few years yet few programs are capable of it yet.


User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1461 times:

Quoting N231YE (Reply 4):
As long as you save the document in Word 95-2003 format (.doc), and not in Word 2007 (.docx).

I am very glad you told me that.....will save me a lot of angst if i have to have Vista

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 5):
The biggest issue you are going to find is if you decide to run 64b and have nothing but 32b programs.

Funny how 64 has been around for a few years yet few programs are capable of it yet.

Now that went WAAAAYYYYY over my head...dammit man...speak English!!!  Wink


User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1457 times:

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 6):
Now that went WAAAAYYYYY over my head...dammit man...speak English!!!

By the smile, I realised your just a smart arse, otherwise i would have had to gone all gates on you.
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User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days ago) and read 1434 times:

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 7):
I realised your just a smart arse,

Not that smart mate.... I really didn't have a clue what you were talking about.....any chance of a translation? doesn't have to be English, you can explain it in American if you like......


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1421 times:

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 6):
dammit man...speak English!!!

You're one to talk Jafa.  Wink

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 5):
The biggest issue you are going to find is if you decide to run 64b and have nothing but 32b programs.

32bit programs vs. 64bit programs. Don't worry about this one. Stick with the 32bit version of Vista if you go with it. I would tend to think that the 32bit version will be installed on mew laptops even if they provide 64bit hardware. The 64bit stuff should really be reserved for servers or high-end engineering workstations. There have been too many issues and lack of driver support for 64bit things in Vista to make it usable for most folsk. Any applications you by will almost always be 32bit applications to the point I don't believe they offer a 64bit version of Office 2007.

Also, if you can stick with Office2003 or OfficeXP do it. Microsoft has continued the dumbing down of their software and Office2007 menus are horrible. If someone has never used Office before they will like it but for those of us who have a clue about it we scream in anger every time we go to create a new file.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3402 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1400 times:

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 6):
I am very glad you told me that.....will save me a lot of angst if i have to have Vista

Just because you are getting a computer with Vista doesn't mean you need to use Office 2007. I just upgraded my computer to Vista and I just re-installed Office 2003 and it works perfectly fine. I won't update to Office 2007 until my school computers do because it isn't necessary right now.



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User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1385 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 9):
Also, if you can stick with Office2003 or OfficeXP do it.



Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 10):
Just because you are getting a computer with Vista doesn't mean you need to use Office 2007

Good advice, thanks heaps, I have an Office XP disc and will use that.


User currently offlineFlyKev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1368 times:
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This link is the most helpful thing going for XP to Vista switchers.
http://www.iexbeta.com/wiki/index.ph..._Vista_Software_Compatibility_List
The site also does hardware.
If its listed as working, your in luck.

Kev.



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User currently offlineTom12 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 1078 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1366 times:

Had the same problem. So i installed office 2003 onto my laptop (Running Vista) and it all works fine.

Tom



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3402 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1344 times:

Also note that there is a compatibility Pack that you can download to read Office 2007 files on 2003 but in an Office still running XP but it is unlikely that your IT dept has it installed on the systems.


Engineers Rule The World!!!!!
User currently offlineCivjetfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 20 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 1329 times:

I can't get Cobol 85 to work with vista for class AAAGGGHHH someone help me. I am a computer wiz but i can't figure it out. getting a dynamic link library error for no reason. any thoughts.

User currently offlineRammstein From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 1327 times:

Quoting Civjetfan (Reply 15):
Cobol 85 ... any thoughts

Yes.  eek   ill   vomit 


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9536 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 11 hours ago) and read 1309 times:

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 11):
I have an Office XP disc and will use that.

I'm using Office XP on Vista - no problems.


User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 8 hours ago) and read 1298 times:

Quoting Jafa39 (Thread starter):
Buying a new Laptop means it will come with Vista on it and the rest of my organisation has only just caught up with me by installing XP.

No, XP is still available. We're still selling ~ 95% XP in our business with HP PCs and laptops. The word is that it could be tough to get starting around September though.

Quoting Jafa39 (Thread starter):
Does Vistas's version of word work OK on Win 95 and 98 machines too?

There is no "Vista" version of Word/Office. Office 2007 works equally well on Vista or XP.

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 3):
But can I write word docs and they will be readable on win95/98 machine?

As long as you use the old format rather than the new .xml based format, yes. If you get really fancy with what you do, you may lose some features but it's not an issue for many.

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 5):
The biggest issue you are going to find is if you decide to run 64b and have nothing but 32b programs. Funny how 64 has been around for a few years yet few programs are capable of it yet.

It's very good for highly compute intensive applications like simulations and 3D drafting. 32 bit programs will run fine, the major issues we've run into with 64 bit are mostly driver related.

Vista problems also revolve around drivers but include the 32 bit version. It's really not a Vista problem so much as Vista making the warts of poor software development practices very apparent by enforcing a much more rigorous set of requirements regarding what an application and/or driver may access and how it can do it. It's pretty painful now but in the long run will be a good thing.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21496 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 7 hours ago) and read 1293 times:

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 18):
It's really not a Vista problem so much as Vista making the warts of poor software development practices very apparent by enforcing a much more rigorous set of requirements regarding what an application and/or driver may access and how it can do it. It's pretty painful now but in the long run will be a good thing.

It is a Vista problem. Microsoft simply can't get their self-made messes under control. Hard to believe, but some train wrecks actually come in sequential iterations...!

For comparison, check out the upcoming MacOS X 10.5 Leopard: The same system will run on either 32 or 64 bit machines on both PowerPC and Intel, you can continue to use existing 32 bit drivers and applications and new applications and drivers can be universal as well as the system itself: They simply run in the best available mode without the user noticing (except speed and RAM utilization beyond 4GB). And of course it's still safer than Windows is. (You still can run Windows under MacOS if you absolutely want, of course.)

Some people actually can do it properly, but not Microsoft - despite all their resources and experience.

There is nothing fundamental about the Vista 32/64 bit mess, it's just sheer incompetence at work.

And things like that make me furious as a developer.  yuck   gnasher 


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9536 posts, RR: 42
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1266 times:

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 18):
Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 5):
The biggest issue you are going to find is if you decide to run 64b and have nothing but 32b programs. Funny how 64 has been around for a few years yet few programs are capable of it yet.

It's very good for highly compute intensive applications like simulations and 3D drafting. 32 bit programs will run fine

I think the issue is that the 64-bit version won't run 16-bit applications. As there are still some around, that's one of the reasons the average home user should stick to the 32-bit version.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 19):
It is a Vista problem. Microsoft simply can't get their self-made messes under control.

No, BHMBAGLOCK is right - he was talking about 3rd party drivers. Vista is stricter about drivers, meaning the quality of the drivers from 3rd parties has to be better and not break the rules. Dodgy drivers apparently cause a large percentage of PC problems.


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3402 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1260 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 19):
Some people actually can do it properly, but not Microsoft - despite all their resources and experience.

They must be doing something right because if OSX is a better system and there is several reasons justifying that it is then why are most of the software manufacturers making their products for Windows and not for the Mac. Windows must be doing something right if nearly all the computers in the world run it.

Also a smart Windows user can make it run just as well and stable as OSX any day of the week. Sure there are programs that crashe every now and then but it is a minor inconvenience compared to getting the BSOD every time there was and error in Windows 95/98/ME. Also usually when there is a forced shut down of an application its usually the fault of the software and not the OS.



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User currently offlineJafa39 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1241 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 20):
Dodgy drivers apparently cause a large percentage of PC problems.

Not to mention traffic accidents!  Wink


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9536 posts, RR: 42
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1212 times:

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 22):
Not to mention traffic accidents!

I can't believe I set myself up for that one. I'm useless!


User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1188 times:

You can still get some laptops with XP.

Dell have some, and Overstock.com have a few.


25 Post contains images Klaus : I was talking about the fact that Microsoft is incapable of producing a single, consistent and functional operating system for both 32 and 64 bit ope
26 StarAC17 : Very Well and I'm all for competition and will force Microsoft to further improve Vista (which runs very well on my PC) through Service Packs, additi
27 Klaus : That was true to some extent in earlier times, but that's been long ago. Nowadays MacOS X is at least as customizable as Windows is - the kernel of t
28 RichPhitzwell : So Klaus, what you are saying then is: Am I understanding you correctly?
29 Post contains images Jafa39 : Which is the same arguement people use to praise Firefox over IE.....fickle bunch you geeks, like a bunch of Hormonal girls.....either you're "IN" or
30 Post contains images Klaus : For most people who actually tried, that does indeed seem to be the tenor...
31 Post contains images David L : Maybe but it's largely due to poor driver design - they'll work with the current version of the OS but the guidelines are ignored so they won't neces
32 Post contains images Klaus : That still would not justify a completely separate 64 bit version of the OS which is widely incompatible with the 32 bit variant while others manage
33 Post contains images David L : Pretty big advantages for many users, e.g. NASA's real-time telemetry. They used them for years while nothing else could compete. Programming the OS
34 Dan2002 : I used an OSX machine almost every day for 2 years, and came home to my XP machine, and in the end, I remember having more problems with things on OS
35 Klaus : There's no doubt that the Amiga had a good run on its special advantages, but it did little for the overall development of computers as we know them
36 David L : Helped largely by Commodore's managment restraining their R & D people. It wasn't the OS or technical philosophy that held the Amiga back.
37 Klaus : Indeed - a tragic management failure if there ever was one. I think that one is still up for debate - especially regarding the operating system as fa
38 Dan2002 : A plethora of USB power failures (more than one machine), random shutdowns, keyboards and mice that didn't work worth a damn, and a program crash her
39 Post contains images Klaus : What in the world were you plugging into the Macs to short them out? All these symptoms are entirely consistent with that. You can damage any compute
40 Post contains images AC773 : Actually, the only Windows program that's ever crashed on me has been iTunes.
41 Post contains images Tmatt95 : Not really the best advert for a Mac To try and keep the thread on topic, I have found all the programs I have tried, work well under Vista but then
42 Post contains images Klaus :
43 Dan2002 : We never plugged anything into the USB ports except for the occasional thumb drive or camera. Alot of times we would boot up the computers and just h
44 StarAC17 : I disagree, I customize my systems so I can select the hardwarer that goes in it. I can choose the Motherboard, HDD size and brand, RAM, the case and
45 Klaus : Since Macs generally work just fine with USB (and I've seen no such failures among the Mac users I know), I'd take a closer look at both what you wer
46 Post contains images Tmatt95 : How has a topic with the title "XP/Vista Compatibility Issues?" turned into a Mac thread?
47 Jafa39 : Because Klaus is here........
48 Post contains images Klaus : Nonsense. I've primarily dealt with topical or related points above, popular expectations notwithstanding.
49 Dan2002 : Well the room did have carpet, but I dont think that was an issue.
50 Klaus : It's usually a combination of carpet, soles, electrical grid installation and a few other factors.
51 StarAC17 : Its both this and the issue at hand had been taken care of rather quickly and now its a reasonably civilized PC vs Mac thread. I may be jinxing it bu
52 Post contains images Dougloid : Vista's starting to look like ultimate Dog Waste. If I'm going to buy another computer any time soon it'll be either a *shudder* Mac or else it'll be
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