Cornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 56 Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1691 times:
Quoting Emrecan (Thread starter): Also I guess Hamilton will be ahead of Balonso.. Hamilton is a much better driver than Balonso.
Well I'm a big Hamilton fan from his performances in GP2 last year, but even he wouldn't think he was a better driver than Alonso.
And currently Alonso is the best driver in F1 - no contest.
But I'm thinking perhaps a Massa win on Sunday. I'm also thinking Renault will perform better too.
Malaysia is a much better guide of the season ahead than Australia. Malaysia has characteristics much more like the majority of F1 circuits than Melbourne. Whoever goes well this weekend should be in good shape for the rest of the year.
Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
Cornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 56 Reply 3, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1687 times:
Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 2): Well there we go. TC has been axed for next year. Could be interesting
Yes I'm pleased about that. Put's more skill emphasis on the driver as more mistakes will be punished. Could be more tricky for the new drivers though, as they won't be ble to overdrive and get away with it a la Kubica and Rosberg last year in future.
Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
Cornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 56 Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1680 times:
Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 6): Alonso is the best driver on the grid, for now. I dont think he has the raw pace to last though.
Ah but raw pace alone isn't enough. What Alonso has is quite incredible consistency. In that respect he is very like Schuey in his ability to nail quick lap after quick lap from the start to finish of the race. No one else has shown the ability to do that race after race.
How often do you see him make a mistake either? And his smoothness keeps the car from breaking down too.
In other words, like it or not - he is the complete package.
But I do think Hamilton could prove to show similar ability in time - I do hope so
Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
Bill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8320 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1680 times:
It will be another McLaren Ferrari fight. BMW and Renault might stir the pot a little, but I doubt it.
Quoting Emrecan (Reply 4):
Balonso is the best driver?????? Come on, he is the most lucky driver, that's all.....
How was it luck? You don't win two world championships by luck alone. Just face facts, Ferrari and Schumacher were outclassed by Renault and Alonso.
Quoting Cornish (Reply 3): Yes I'm pleased about that. Put's more skill emphasis on the driver as more mistakes will be punished. Could be more tricky for the new drivers though, as they won't be ble to overdrive and get away with it a la Kubica and Rosberg last year in future.
This will be good as it will separate the men from the boys. This is only possible due to the FIA introducing the common ECU which will have limited parameters for the teams to adjust.
Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 6): I dont think he has the raw pace to last though.
You don't need just raw pace. Raw pace the whole distance breaks the car. You've gotta think. Know when to push, when to ease off.
Kaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4125 posts, RR: 28 Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1675 times:
Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 6): Same and button will have the biggest advantage as he reportedly uses the lowest TC setting.
I've heard this as well... But i still dont think it will help jenson as Honda are turning out to be a real let down as always. I had high hopes for them this season but i dont think they'll ever manage to even challenge the front runners...
The season so far looks like the teams are listed as follows for speed...
1. Ferrari
2. Mclaren-Mercedes
3. BMW
4. Williams
5. Renault
I was surprised by how well Super Aguri did in Australia and I hope their performance continues. I like anthony davidson and i'd love to see the B team out perform their A team...
Whoever said "laughter is the best medicine" never had Gonorrhea
Emrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 914 posts, RR: 8 Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1673 times:
Bill142:
I think you haven't followed last 2 season and you are asking about his luck !
Cornish:
It is not because Balonso is not a Ferrari driver; if he was in Ferrari I would also not support him. I don't like the way he acts. By the way I want to add I never told him that he is a bad driver. I don't know if there is a possibility but if you check my last year's posts you can see I've also congragulated him .
Anyway I hope this year we will witness a great season Without the races the weekends were boring
Bill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8320 posts, RR: 9 Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1669 times:
Quoting Emrecan (Reply 10):
I think you haven't followed last 2 season and you are asking about his luck !
You're just trying to yank my chain right? Ferrari weren't even in the picture in 2005, if I remember correctly McLaren and Raikkonen were challenging for the title. In 2006, Renault clearly had the faster car at the beginning of the season. Ferrari caught up. If you call Schumacher's engine failure in Japan luck for Alonso, let me remind you of Alonso's engine failure in Italy which was lucky for Schumacher. Oh and what about in 2006 when Schumacher was lucky to collect a point in Hungary, despite not finishing the race, courtesy of Kubicas disqualification.
Here are some stats for you
2005:
Alonso:
Wins 7
Podiums 15
Retirements 1
DNS 1
Worst Result 11th
Total Points 133
Raikkonen:
Wins 7
Podiums 12
Retirements 2
DNS 1
Worst Result 11th
Total Points 112
Daylight
Schumacher:
Wins 1
Podiums 5
Retirements 6
Worst result 10th
Total Points 62
2006:
Alonso:
Wins 7
Podiums 14
Retirements 2
Worst Result 5th
Total Points 134
Schumacher:
Wins 7
Podiums 12
Retirements 2 (3 failed to finish Hungarian GP but still scored points)
Worst Result 8th (classified as a points scorer courtesy of Kubicas disqualification)
Total Points 121
Now, if you think that was just "luck" you're kidding yourself.
Emrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 914 posts, RR: 8 Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1664 times:
Bill142:
Really I don't want to argue about this. I just told what I think and it is true. In 2006 Schumi made stupid mistakes in Monaco and Hungary. In 2005 Balonso got the title because Kimi had stupid failures. You cannot reject this, check what has happened to Kimi in 2005.
We will see at the end of this season, what Balonso will do. Hamilton is 10 times better than Balonso. Just wait, in next 4-5 races it will be clear
Bill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8320 posts, RR: 9 Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1662 times:
Quoting Emrecan (Reply 12):
Really I don't want to argue about this. I just told what I think and it is true. In 2006 Schumi made stupid mistakes in Monaco and Hungary. In 2005 Balonso got the title because Kimi had stupid failures. You cannot reject this, check what has happened to Kimi in 2005.
That dosn't mean he was lucky. Renault had their act togeather, McLaren didn't. That's clear, even to blind Freddy.
Cornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 56 Reply 17, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1654 times:
Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 9): I was surprised by how well Super Aguri did in Australia and I hope their performance continues.
Not as surprising as it may first appear. As Button pointed out (rather embarassingly for Honda thanks to the claims it was a different car) when asked about their performance relative to his, that he wasn't surprised because he put that car on Pole Position in Melbourne last year.......
And it went very well in the latter part of last season.
Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 9): and i'd love to see the B team out perform their A team...
on a similar note it will be interesting to see how Williams performs against Toyota in Malaysia. Rosberg actually had one of the drives of the race in Oz - but wasn't noticed by everybody. If he goes well again it will be a big embarassment for Toyota.
As opposed to Schuey's questionable driving ethics, his deliberate stop in Monaco Qualifying last year, or Kimi's monosyballic utterings to TV. Alonso isn't that bad.
Quoting Bill142 (Reply 11): let me remind you of Alonso's engine failure in Italy which was lucky for Schumacher.
And that follwed the laughable disqualification in qualifying when he was alleged to have blocked Massa even though he was miles in front.
Or mass dampers banned purely after Ferrari and McLaren protested after they couldn't make theirs work so well......such a fundamental change to have to make to the car midseason.
Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
Bill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8320 posts, RR: 9 Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1649 times:
Quoting Cornish (Reply 17):
And that follwed the laughable disqualification in qualifying when he was alleged to have blocked Massa even though he was miles in front.
Or mass dampers banned purely after Ferrari and McLaren protested after they couldn't make theirs work so well......such a fundamental change to have to make to the car midseason.
Legoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3301 posts, RR: 44 Reply 19, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1646 times:
Quoting Emrecan (Reply 10): It is not because Balonso is not a Ferrari driver; if he was in Ferrari I would also not support him. I don't like the way he acts.
The same could be said about Schumacher. His antics caused up roar at most races. Alonso is a great driver and has rarely ever made mistakes over the past 2 grandprix season's. He has earned his two championship titles. He won last year despite all that crap Ferrari threw at him such as 'holding' Massa up during Monza Qualifying. There is no way Alonso is just lucky.
Quoting Emrecan (Reply 12): in 2006 Schumi made stupid mistakes in Monaco and Hungary.
Exactly To me this suggests Schumacher acted WORSE than Alonso We are all entitled to our opinions however.
Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 9): I was surprised by how well Super Aguri did in Australia and I hope their performance continues. I like anthony davidson and i'd love to see the B team out perform their A team...
Me too, I think Super Aguri will be beating Honda for the next few races.
Quoting Bill142 (Reply 8): It will be another McLaren Ferrari fight. BMW and Renault might stir the pot a little, but I doubt it.
My thoughts as well but I still sadily see Ferrari winning
[Edited 2007-04-02 14:42:56]
Can you say 'Beer Can' without sounding like a Jamaican saying 'Bacon'?
BA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 16 Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1615 times:
Oh it is nice to see Emrecan again with the Balonso is lucky argument - it seems a while since I had this argument all last season with you.
Nobody was worse than Schumacher for dirty tactics, nobody. Alonso has skill and he doesn't particularly play dirty.
As for the race, I don't know - the result could be anything. I still think a lot of the teams true performance is an unknown quantity, so, I'll just sit back and enjoy the race on Sunday morning.
Sudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4127 posts, RR: 6 Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1588 times:
Although I would prefer dry conditions to actually have something to compare with from last race. Just to see if things are to follow a pattern in regards to the pace of the cars/drivers.
Aim for the sky!
Sudden
When in doubt, flat out!
25 Kaddyuk: Raikkonen admits to Engine troubles Source: http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=38823 Seems that Raikkonen might be driving his car too hard
26 Sudden: Again? Last race he didn't go faster then he needed, so that would not be the case. The story about Mclaren we have already discussed so not much mor
27 Kaddyuk: How do you know that he didnt go faster than needed? But the items that do matter:- 1. Ferarris are known to be rock solid cars with fantastic reliab
28 Sudden: Honestly I don't personally know, but that's what we have been able to read at least. How much of it that is actually true is another story though. A
29 EMA747: I hope poor old Button has a better race this time. I also wonder how the BMWs will go as they looked quite good in Oz. It would be nice to see a McLa
30 BA757: On the flip side, it would be great for F1... Adam
31 Bill142: The car had a water leak. His engine was running hot towards the end of the race, so the potential that it was damaged is quite high. The heat in Mal
32 BA757: Of course, that would be what I was getting at! Adam
33 Nosedive: Bias for 1,000, Alex. Darkhorse, Williams? Interesting comments from the Toyota Camp: "That's because in winter testing we run in lower temperatures
34 Waterpolodan: I can't wait for this weekend, especially if it rains. I can't remember the last time there was a boring wet race, probably because I'm a Schumacher f
35 Legoguy: If it does rain this weekend, it will bring mayhem and great entertainment Remember 2001 when it rained. The race was turned upside down with mistakes
36 Kaddyuk: Me too... they're one of the last of a rare breed of constructors (Not car manufacturer backed). I personally hope they can win a championship in the
37 Bill142: Spyker have lodged a protest against STR. I assume it is about the car essentially being the same as the RBR car. However I thought the FIA originally
38 Waterpolodan: I'm following the live timing on the formula 1 website, there are 15 minutes left in the first practice session, and there are already some obvious tr
39 Bill142: Alonso finished two tenths behind Massa, so the gap wasn't that big. Currently in session 2 Massa is still fastest with Rosberg 2nd and Raikkonen 3rd.
40 Legoguy: Felipe Massa predictably set the pace in his dominant Ferrari, but hitting a whopping 84. 2kph in the speed-limited pit lane cost the Brazilian 4,800
41 Sudden: Nothing to say about these times as they are pretty useless when trying to determine who is fast or not. I hope that SA will keep on going strong thi
42 Jamesbuk: How? Last race he had to start at the back because of a gear box failure. Rgds --James--[Edited 2007-04-06 13:12:36]
43 Legoguy: 84km is an extremely high speed to be driving at in the pitlane!! (speed limit is 60 kph) Thats quite a large mistake to make!
44 Sudden: I bet he did press the speedlimiter, but that it was incorrectly adjusted. Why would any driver go through the pitlane without using the limiter anyw
45 Legoguy: If thats the case then it's Ferrari's slip up. Another scenario could be that Massa just pressed the button slightly too late and was already within
46 Sudden: True, but they were maybe simulating a race pitstop. But ok, it happened, and even if it was due to Massa, I dont think his wallet felt very empty af
47 Duff44: Every season has one race that is a complete clusterf*ck due to weather or some other factor. That race in 2001 was one of the stranger ones... yeah
48 Jamesbuk: But then I saw Coulthard do a smiliar thing at silverstone 3 years back, went flying in, almost hit the wall and locked a tyre to try and slow down a
49 Kaddyuk: Sucks to be Massa, but can I become a steward...!! They're going to be partying this weekend!! Haha! He's lucky they affected his wallet and not his
50 Legoguy: No however the officials will be having a great weekend All in the name of great entertainment Coulthard is not a great example of a consistant drive
51 Sudden: Damn right on that one! But give him some credit, he is very consistent with not letting go of F1. Aim for the sky! Sudden
53 Sudden: LOL! What was I thinking. Early rise and shine here in Holland tomorrow, as the quali begins at 07.30. Aim for the sky! Sudden
54 Jamesbuk: Earlier for me, im up at 0630 to watch it True but what i mean is that its not just massa being inconsistent, im saying that other drivers do it aswe
55 Legoguy: Ahhh yes, true, but it's Massa who's challenging for the championship this year and not Coulthard We all thought Massa had become consistant towards
56 Jamesbuk: Its on ITV3 they got some kids programs on ITV1 at that time. Yeh i didnt know either, ill probably just go bed at 1 and have a kip till 6 and then h
57 Waterpolodan: Well, it seems like you just don't want to like Hamilton regardless of what he achieves... you say you don't want him to be successful, and then you
58 Kaddyuk: I think alonso is brilliant. He's a consistantly fast driver. He has driven amazingly underneath percieved pressures me and you cant even begin to fa
59 Bill142: They're showing qualifying here at 2am and the race at 10:40pm. I'm two hours ahead of KL.. go figure. I'm the Kaddy when it comes to Hamilton. He nee
60 Waterpolodan: Guess Fernando is suffering from the same inconsistency- Fernando Alonso is the first driver in Malaysia to get caught speeding in the pitlane. The M
61 9MMAR: Oh my gosh! Just finished watching the qualifying session. Alonso, who has been leading since the beginning was knocked out by Massa at the very last
62 9MMAR: Glad to see the KLIA banner in the circuit. Also AirAsia.com sticker at AT&T William cars, at the back of the Lenovo sticker. Great Malaysian particip
63 Emrecan: Great qual. results from Ferrari and Mercedes. Bravo Massa !!! I guess Hamilton is a bit heavier than the others but we will see tomorrow. I hope tomo
64 9MMAR: I also think the BMW Sauber cars and drivers have been doing very well in front of the home crowd. They are HUGE in Malaysia. I was in Kuala Lumpur la
65 Sudden: I t will show tomorrow if Mclaren was on a light fuel load today. And Renault, What is going on here, really! An interesting point in Q2 was that they
66 9MMAR: Guys, this news was in the local daily today. Check it out. A MUST read! Schuey and Alonso missed by Ferrari and Renault The Star Malaysia TOP teams F
67 Bill142: Kimi will loose his engine half way through the race. Alonso will dispose of Massa easily and Hamilton will make a rookie mistake. By the sounds of th
68 Legoguy: 1.4 km/h and 3.3 km/h do not really compare to being 24.2 km/h Sadly Renault have no chance this year. Flavio isn't help things by criticizing his dr
69 Nosedive: And Lewis isn't like Michael Andretti compared to Senna...
70 9MMAR: Do you guys remember the massive trophies which depicted the Sepang Curcuit's Main Tower from the previous GPs? Now they have came out with a new desi
71 Bill142: But it's the SA07 now. That would be in breach of the rules
72 Sudden: Yeah, they are not allowed to use last years car, so that rules out this option. Aim for the sky! Sudden
73 BlueElephant: My Predictions..... Massa will make a mistake somewhere...and go down to third, Kimi will lose his engine....and Hamilton will get third behind Massa.
74 Legoguy: Ouch to Honda then. The car is fast in a straight line as they are appearing close to the top at the speed traps. The cornering grip is terrible howe
75 Bill142: Honda can use their car from last year. Look back to 2003 when McLaren raced their 2002 car for the whole season, just with almost every section of t
76 Sudden: Might be, but that means that they will have to do the crash tests and the certification to be able to compete with it, and when that is done, and if
77 Bill142: ahh yes.. true. Engine change for Barrichello. Not that it will make much difference for him. http://www.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/0704
78 Bill142: Here you go. Unfortunately the saftey fence gets in the way of every shot. Might have to see how I can score a photographers entry for next year lol.
79 9MMAR: The Petronas Malaysian GP is now started! Massa only held the pole position for about 3 seconds. He was overtook by Alonso and Hamilton at the very fi
80 9MMAR: Massa just crashed while trying to overtake Hamilton. Oh my god! That might caused him several seconds. He's in 5th place now.
81 Mika: Looks like a good race so far, personally i just hope that the gap between Hamilton and Alonso wont grow to much until Kimi can overtake Hamilton. Go
82 Bill142: Alonso is running just under 1 second a lap faster then Hamilton. Raikkonen is clearly faster then Hamilton. Although they do seem to be swapping lapt
83 Andz: I would say so, he was obviously peeved at losing pole and being relegated by Alonso and the "upstart" so he went in too hot and paid the price.
84 9MMAR: 13 laps before finishing Rosberg car got some problem and he was out. Poor guy, poor AirAsia on their first race in front of the home crowd. Rosberg w
85 Bill142: Alonso is in control. Hamilton is hemmoraging time to Raikkonen, his saving grace might be the fact that laps are running out, however the is still en
86 Andz: Alonso wins Hamilton second what a drive!
87 Bill142: Alonso get his and McLarens first win of the season! Hamilton gets one step closer to the top of the podium, with Raikkonen unable to catch finishing
88 9MMAR: It's the finish line. 1. Alonso 2. Hamilton 3. Raikkonen 4. Heidfeld 5. Massa 6. Fishichella 7. Trulli 8. Kovailanen Congratulation to Alonso on his s
89 Legoguy: Fantastic!!! First win for McLaren after a baron spell, and it happens to be a 1 - 2! Great strategic race by McLaren, although the credit has to go t
90 Emrecan: Great result for McLaren.. Cangs. to Balonso ( ) and Hamilton. Ferrari had a dissappointing result. It was good to see Massa fighting with Hamilton bu
91 Sudden: This is the thing that worries me about this driver, he just throws everything in there, and all of it just gets screwed up. Aim for the sky! Sudden
92 Legoguy: Fingers crossed for the end of the season. Renault wern't too bad. At least they got points today from both drivers. I was slightly worried that he m
93 Bill142: Kimi ran out of laps. Yes Hamilton kept it together and didn't give away time unnecessarily , but the real test would have been to see if Lewis could
94 Legoguy: You mean like he did for the first half of the race
96 BA757: Well it was for sure a great race. Hamilton impressed again, Alonso, more or less had it easy really once he got passed Massa, but none the less, stil
97 Kaddyuk: More experience? Massa has been racing in F1 long enough now to be able to fight for position... I dont think this is true. Massa and Kimi are treate
98 Emrecan: Kaddyuk: We saw Massa's experience(!) today. He pushed and he was out. Also it is very clear that he is under pressure becuse of Kimi. Kimi is more po
99 Bill142: Massa is quick, but he is just unrefined. He clearly took a step forward last season and he need to continue to build on that. They're starting to so
100 Emrecan: Bill142: 'Kimi was given more opportunities to win at McLaren. Massa has only been with Ferrari in a racing role for one season, he hasn't had the sam
101 Sudden: We are looking at two totally different drivers here. Massa, Hot tempered and without patient. Very fast when given the chance to be so. This made him
102 LTU932: I don't think experience has anything to do with Massa's problems in Sepang. First, he botches the start and allows Alonso to gain an excellent lead
103 Bill142: Worst thing they did was sack Dave Richards. Watch Prodive clean them up next year.
104 BA757: Quite so - I never really could understand the logic behind sacking him. Adam
105 Bill142: Just in case anyone is interested. I'm sure BA757 would be, but is probably like me and has no hope in hell of getting it http://jobsearch.monster.co.
106 Sudden: I only sign up if I can go along to all the races. (Yeah right, like I would get it anyway ) Aim for the sky! Sudden
107 Kaddyuk: For fellipes first 3 years in F1 he was racing for Sauber and to be honest, performed on a level plain compared to Kimi's first season at sauber... K
108 Cornish: Well a late return to this thread by me after a deliberate avoidance of the computer during the holiday weekend's glorious weather. Very interesting r
109 Kaddyuk: Unless Honda can sign Ross Brawn... http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=38931
110 Sudden: I do not know Massa one bit, to be frankly honest, but I would think that he feels intimidated by Kimi. Kimi, in my mind has the potenital to have no
111 BA757: In a couple of years I may just have enough experience. Having said that, the pay isn't fantastic. I shouldn't imagine £40k will get you too far in
112 Bill142: Think of the building you would be working in Schuey wouldn't have let it happen, and Brawn would have probably gotten the second step of the podium
113 Emrecan: Kaddyuk (Reply 107) You are saying the same thing I said much before...
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To me this suggests Schumacher acted WORSE than Alonso 
We are all entitled to our opinions however.
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