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 I Need Help With Math
 Adopim88 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 2007 posts, RR: 9Posted Wed Apr 4 2007 00:53:18 UTC (9 years 1 month 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3156 times:

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 Graphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted Wed Apr 4 2007 01:05:39 UTC (9 years 1 month 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3144 times:

 41. I think 3/4ths, but I just kinda pulled that out my butt (wanna see it?).
 Airfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted Wed Apr 4 2007 01:07:06 UTC (9 years 1 month 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3141 times:

 If you post this in tech/ops I give it 5 minutes and you will have 3 responders with the correct answer. I used to know but it has been awhile and am too lazy to look it up.
 SpinalTap From New Zealand, joined Mar 2005, 441 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted Wed Apr 4 2007 01:15:58 UTC (9 years 1 month 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3125 times:

 First question: As the sphere fit perfectly inside the cylinder the length of the cylinder is equal to R Vcyl = pi*R^2*L = pi*R^2*R = pi*R^3 Vsp = 4/3*pi*R^3 Ratio = Vcyl/Vsphere = pi*R^3/(4/3*pi*R^3) = 1/(4/3) = 3/4 41. The question implies that it is the same for any polygons so I would take the simpliest the square as an example to figure this out. Consider two squares, square 1 and square 2 with lengths (of one side) L1 and L2 and areas of A1 and A2 respectively. Let L1 = 1 As we know A2 = 2*A1 we can work out L2 A2 = 2*(1*1) = 2 A2 = L2*L2 = L2^2 so L2 = sqrt(A2) = sqrt(2) Ratio of corresponding sides: L2/L1 = sqrt(2) Ratio of perimeters: (4*L2)/(4*L1) = sqrt(2) I think this is correct - someone correct me if I am wrong. 42. Volume of a cone = 1/3(Area of Base)(height) = 1/3*pi*r^2*h r = 10/2 = 5 V(large cone) = 1/3*pi*5^2*10 = 261.8 cm^3 (4sf) smaller cone At the top tip of the cone the diameter = 0 At the bottom of the cone the diameter = 10 cm The diameter increases linearly from the top tip of the cone to the bottom D = h (where h is the height from the top) so the height of the smaller cone = D = 4 cm so we have r = 2, h = 4 V(smaller cone) = 1/3*pi*2^2*4 = 16.76 cm^3 (4sf) Again someone correct me if I am wrong.[Edited 2007-04-04 01:19:07]
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 GQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted Wed Apr 4 2007 01:35:04 UTC (9 years 1 month 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3103 times:

 Agreeing with Spinaltap on the first one. The radius of the cylinder and the sphere are the same. So just find the volume of both. For the ratio (I'm sittin here with a cold so correct me if I'm wrong    ), just divide the volume of the cylinder by the volume of the sphere. That should give you your ratio...I think...
 Kmh1956 From Bermuda, joined Jun 2005, 3324 posts, RR: 6 Reply 5, posted Wed Apr 4 2007 01:35:41 UTC (9 years 1 month 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3103 times:

 You won't learn a blessed thing having other people do your work for you. I suggest you go back over your notes and your textbook and try to work it our yourself. If you get it wrong, so be it. Your teacher will at least know you made the effort but may be struggling. this may sound a bit harsh, but it's the truth.
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 CastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted Wed Apr 4 2007 01:42:46 UTC (9 years 1 month 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3093 times:

First of all, this is a test of intuitive thinking, not math, and I hope you will learn how to think like this as we do your homework for you.

#1: Ratio of volume of cylinder to volume of sphere:

Vol cylinder = (Pi)r^2(h) Note h = 2r (that's the whole purpose of this problem; noting this)
divided by
Vol sphere = 4/3 (Pi)r^3

= 2r divided by (4/3)r.

 Quoting SpinalTap (Reply 3): As the sphere fit perfectly inside the cylinder the length of the cylinder is equal to R

No, it's 2r. And I think you mean height, since length doesn't come into play with a cylinder.

Try the rest on yer own Adopim. Just find the formulae for volume/area calculations, and try to reason it out on your own.

As kmh1956 said: "You won't learn a blessed thing having other people do your work for you. I suggest you go back over your notes and your textbook and try to work it our yourself. If you get it wrong, so be it. Your teacher will at least know you made the effort but may be struggling. this may sound a bit harsh, but it's the truth."

Edited to acknowledge her sage advice.

[Edited 2007-04-04 01:50:19]

 Walter747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1440 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted Wed Apr 4 2007 01:50:01 UTC (9 years 1 month 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3084 times:

 43. Volume = pi * radius 2 * height 3.14 * 22 * 10 Volume = 125.6cm3
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 GAIsweetGAI From Norway, joined Jul 2006, 938 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted Wed Apr 4 2007 02:24:32 UTC (9 years 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3057 times:

 Quoting SpinalTap (Reply 3): First question: As the sphere fit perfectly inside the cylinder the length of the cylinder is equal to R Vcyl = pi*R^2*L = pi*R^2*R = pi*R^3 Vsp = 4/3*pi*R^3 Ratio = Vcyl/Vsphere = pi*R^3/(4/3*pi*R^3) = 1/(4/3) = 3/4

We only know that L>2R (slight mistake there I think- I may be wrong- meaning that Vcyl=2*pi*r^3) so we can only say that Ratio>3/2.

Again, I may be wrong in my numbers.
If I'm wrong and SpinalTap is right, this gives Ratio>3/4.

Re 42: what 2 pieces are they talking about? (I know, this may be taking things a bit far, but if it's not specified, you can interpret the text in whatever way you want)

edit: I think my number for the ratio is right: it makes more sense than SpinalTap's, because the ratio calculated thus is bigger than 1 since the cylinder is bigger than the sphere.

[Edited 2007-04-04 02:27:42]

[Edited 2007-04-04 02:27:56]

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 Duff44 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted Wed Apr 4 2007 02:45:54 UTC (9 years 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3040 times:

My    (answers might agree... just seeing if I can still do this shit )

The first one

Volume of a sphere: (4/3) * PI * r^3
Volume of a cylinder: PI * r^2 * h

 Quoting SpinalTap (Reply 3):First question: As the sphere fit perfectly inside the cylinder the length of the cylinder is equal to R

In this case, h = 2r, so the cylinder volume is: 2 * PI * r^3

Cylinder/sphere = 2 / (4/3) = 1.5 or 3/2

41

I'll use two right triangles to be different from SpinalTap

A1 = L1 * L1 * (1/2)
A2 = L2 * L2 * (1/2)

A2/A1 = 2 , so (simplified): 2 = (L2^2 / L1^2) ==> L2/L1 = sqrt(2) ~ 1.4142...

Perimeter = L + L + sqrt(2) * L

Since the ratio of the side lengths is the same for all 3 sides, the perimeter also has a ration of sqrt(2) / 1

42

Cone volume = (1/3) * PI * r^2 * h

Upper: r = 2, h = 4
Full: r = 5, h = 10

Vol upper cone = 16.755161
Vol full cone = 261.799388

Vol lower segment = Vol full cone - Vol upper cone = 245.044227

Now go do your own homework....

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 SpinalTap From New Zealand, joined Mar 2005, 441 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted Wed Apr 4 2007 02:47:01 UTC (9 years 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3039 times:

 Quoting GAIsweetGAI (Reply 8):Again, I may be wrong in my numbers. If I'm wrong and SpinalTap is right, this gives Ratio>3/4.

No your right on this one, the cylinder has to be bigger than the sphere!, I should have thought about the physical reality of my result.

I am too use to dealing with diameters. For some reason mathematician prefer radii, engineers prefer diameters.

If I was doing the problem myself I would naturally used diameters rather than radii.
Vcyl = pi()/4*D^2*L= pi()/4*D^3
Vsph = pi()/6*D^3

Vcyl/Vsph = [pi()/4*D^3]/[pi()/6*D^3] = 6/4=3/2

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 CastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted Wed Apr 4 2007 02:59:28 UTC (9 years 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

 Quoting GAIsweetGAI (Reply 8):We only know that L>2R (slight mistake there I think- I may be wrong- meaning that Vcyl=2*pi*r^3) so we can only say that Ratio>3/2.

 Quoting Duff44 (Reply 9):In this case, h = 2r, so the cylinder volume is: 2 * PI * r^3 Cylinder/sphere = 2 / (4/3) = 1.5 or 3/2

 Quoting SpinalTap (Reply 10):No your right on this one, the cylinder has to be bigger than the sphere!, I should have thought about the physical reality of my result. I am too use to dealing with diameters. For some reason mathematician prefer radii, engineers prefer diameters. If I was doing the problem myself I would naturally used diameters rather than radii. Vcyl = pi()/4*D^2*L= pi()/4*D^3 Vsph = pi()/6*D^3 Vcyl/Vsph = [pi()/4*D^3]/[pi()/6*D^3] = 6/4=3/2

Or you could have all just read my post #6.

 Vikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 12073 posts, RR: 24 Reply 12, posted Wed Apr 4 2007 04:13:37 UTC (9 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

 Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 11):Or you could have all just read my post #6.

And miss getting a share of the credit?? Methinks not

 Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 2):If you post this in tech/ops I give it 5 minutes and you will have 3 responders with the correct answer.

Maybe. But a lot of people in Tech/Ops (myself included) would not just type out the answers. Maybe give a formula or two, or a hint, but not the answer.

Of course, it's just an online forum, but I think Kelly said it best:

 Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 5):You won't learn a blessed thing having other people do your work for you. I suggest you go back over your notes and your textbook and try to work it our yourself. If you get it wrong, so be it. Your teacher will at least know you made the effort but may be struggling. this may sound a bit harsh, but it's the truth.

~Vik

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 Duff44 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted Wed Apr 4 2007 04:24:27 UTC (9 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2986 times:

 Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 11):Or you could have all just read my post #6.

Never hurts to have a second (or in this case, multiple) set of eyes look at it

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 CastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted Wed Apr 4 2007 04:33:02 UTC (9 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2981 times:

 Quoting Duff44 (Reply 13):Never hurts to have a second (or in this case, multiple) set of eyes look at it

Not when it comes to my answer, which is truth!

 Adopim88 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 2007 posts, RR: 9 Reply 15, posted Wed Apr 4 2007 05:47:44 UTC (9 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

 Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 5): You won't learn a blessed thing having other people do your work for you I suggest you go back over your notes and your textbook and try to work it our yourself. If you get it wrong, so be it. Your teacher will at least know you made the effort but may be struggling

I don't think you understood my request. I wanted someone to help me to understand them (hence why I asked for an explanation). If I had just wanted answers I would have asked for just the answers (or looked them up in the back of the book). I know that giving the answer doesn't help to learn, but giving the answer and a valid explanation can. See, I'm going to school to be a teacher and I understand completely your point, which does make sense. I don't care if I get a few wrong on these assignments, I just can't figure out how to go about them and I want to understand how. I did look through the book and my notes a dozen times at least. And was still stuck. That's when you should ask for help. No one should ever be afraid (or discouraged) to ask for help when they need it.

 Quoting Duff44 (Reply 13): Never hurts to have a second (or in this case, multiple) set of eyes look at it

I thought you hit that right on the nose.

I appreciate your help very much so. Thank you!

[Edited 2007-04-04 05:50:21]

[Edited 2007-04-04 06:07:35]

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 KaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12323 posts, RR: 32 Reply 16, posted Wed Apr 4 2007 14:56:33 UTC (9 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2911 times: AIRLINERS.NET CREWFORUM MODERATOR

 Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 5):You won't learn a blessed thing having other people do your work for you. I suggest you go back over your notes and your textbook and try to work it our yourself. If you get it wrong, so be it. Your teacher will at least know you made the effort but may be struggling. this may sound a bit harsh, but it's the truth.

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 Vikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 12073 posts, RR: 24 Reply 17, posted Wed Apr 4 2007 15:24:33 UTC (9 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2900 times:

 Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 16):Quoting Kmh1956 (Reply 5): You won't learn a blessed thing having other people do your work for you. I suggest you go back over your notes and your textbook and try to work it our yourself. If you get it wrong, so be it. Your teacher will at least know you made the effort but may be struggling. this may sound a bit harsh, but it's the truth. You have never asked for help in your whole life?

You're missing the point.

From the thread starter, it sounded like she wanted us to do the problems for her (which, I may point out, is exactly what ended up happening). Some of us may not think that that is a good way to help.

If we were wrong about that, then so be it, but hey, we're not mind readers

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 KaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12323 posts, RR: 32 Reply 18, posted Wed Apr 4 2007 15:50:11 UTC (9 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2889 times: AIRLINERS.NET CREWFORUM MODERATOR

 Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 17):You're missing the point. From the thread starter, it sounded like she wanted us to do the problems for her (which, I may point out, is exactly what ended up happening). Some of us may not think that that is a good way to help.

Actually I told her to post. I had helped her with some of the problems, but on these, I was also stuck (haven't had college algebra since spring 2006). Figured someone on here would know how, and then be able to explain it

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 Adopim88 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 2007 posts, RR: 9 Reply 19, posted Wed Apr 4 2007 20:34:52 UTC (9 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 2844 times:

 Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 17):From the thread starter, it sounded like she wanted us to do the problems for her (which, I may point out, is exactly what ended up happening). Some of us may not think that that is a good way to help.

If all I cared about was getting the right answer I would have found someone and copied from them (granted if that's all I cared about I wouldn't have taken the extra time because generally speaking I would be lazy). Or for #41 I could have looked up the answer in the back of the book (the odd numbered answers are listed there; the answer listed for #41 was "sqrt2 :1" by the way) I wanted to see how others would go about figuring out the problems, as I had no idea. Please understand, I want to understand the material, which is why I asked for help.

Thank you all for your help!

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 Vikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 12073 posts, RR: 24 Reply 20, posted Wed Apr 4 2007 20:42:42 UTC (9 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 2836 times:

 Quoting Adopim88 (Reply 19):If all I cared about was getting the right answer I would have found someone and copied from them (granted if that's all I cared about I wouldn't have taken the extra time because generally speaking I would be lazy). Or for #41 I could have looked up the answer in the back of the book (the odd numbered answers are listed there; the answer listed for #41 was "sqrt2 :1" by the way) I wanted to see how others would go about figuring out the problems, as I had no idea. Please understand, I want to understand the material, which is why I asked for help.

Oh, I do understand. Wasn't being critical of you - just trying to explain that from the thread-starter, it sounded (to me) like you were just looking for the answers.

No big deal

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 YooYoo From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 6057 posts, RR: 38 Reply 21, posted Wed Apr 4 2007 20:48:13 UTC (9 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 2832 times:

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 Adopim88 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 2007 posts, RR: 9 Reply 22, posted Wed Apr 4 2007 21:04:33 UTC (9 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 2825 times:

 Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 20):Oh, I do understand. Wasn't being critical of you - just trying to explain that from the thread-starter, it sounded (to me) like you were just looking for the answers. No big deal

Not a big deal at all. I just wanted to make sure you didn't think I was trying to simply get answers and that you knew I was trying to understand the material in question. Thank you though.   Being a teacher-in-training I do appreciate what you were saying though.

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 YWG From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 1148 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted Wed Apr 4 2007 21:16:08 UTC (9 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 2818 times:

 If these questions are for a university/college assignment, you may want to think twice about posting next time. I once posted a question or two up on non-ave. only to received an e-mail from a prof. stating that I was "cheating" and guilty of academic dishonesty. But because I submitted the assignment minus the question and took a 1 mark penalty for a 100 mark assignment and still signed my honesty declaration, he could do nothing so I got away with it. It just so happens when you google a question, anything from a.net forums that matches shows up fon the top of the list. Just a heads up  YWG p.s. I still got an A on the assignment and an A overall in the course
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 Adopim88 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 2007 posts, RR: 9 Reply 24, posted Wed Apr 4 2007 21:38:42 UTC (9 years 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 2812 times:

I'm not worried. My prof would not consider my questioning to be cheating, he would look at it as asking for help (seeing as he would look it up). For each unit we have a group of assignments. These assignments are worth only 5 points and are handed in the day of the quiz (which was today). No worries. Thank you for your concern though   much appreciated.

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