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W Outflanks The Dems (again) W/recess Appointment  
User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2376 times:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/04/bush.ambassador.ap/index.html

Notwithstanding all the liberals getting into a frenzy in the thread linked below, W has outflanked the Dems by naming Sam Fox as the as US Ambassador to Belgium by means of a recess appointment. ROTFLMAO. For those of you who don't know Fox donated $50,000 to the Swift Boat group that is credited with helping sink Kerry's run for the Presidency. Kerry made it his mission to block Fox's Senate confirmation.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/1570786/

This means that Fox can serve until the end of W's term (actually about a week less). Pretty good "strategery" for the "village idiot".

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 72):
However, if someone from that group was up for a job in front of the Senate, and was known to have helped smear an opponent, I think he should get the same fate.

Better luck next time!

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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2355 times:

Let see the Ambassador to Belgium: not really all that important of a post to waste whatever capital that Bush as left, I wonder if Bush himself has throw in the towel on the remainder of his administration; this type of attitude will make it very difficult to get anything passed.

User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 1):
this type of attitude will make it very difficult to get anything passed.

Spot on!

Let's wait and see what happens with any legislation the "village idiot"* attempts to have passed!



*your words pope!


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
Let's wait and see what happens with any legislation the "village idiot"* attempts to have passed!

Of course, there's the sticking point.

Given the Dems majority in both houses now he can blame a stagnant government on the Dems to discredit them for the next election cycle.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21515 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 3):
Given the Dems majority in both houses now he can blame a stagnant government on the Dems to discredit them for the next election cycle.

Both the Dems and Bush can claim that the other is not willing to compromise and is thus holding up the government. With Bush's approval rating the way it is, he's fighting from behind on that one.

-Mir



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User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
Let's wait and see what happens with any legislation the "village idiot"* attempts to have passed!

Yeah because clearly the Democrats have been so bipartisan in there first three months of control.  Yeah sure

If the Clinton administration showed us anything is that this country works best when government stays out of the way. From a business perspective I can tell you that the best think that can happen is legislative gridlock. Budgets grow at inflation and no more pork gets added.


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7191 posts, RR: 86
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2332 times:
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Maybe that Yale degree was good for something!  confused   rotfl 

Kings to you Dubya!  yes 


User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
Kerry made it his mission to block Fox's Senate confirmation.

No way! Kerry wouldn't play politics with an appointment would he?

Not John Kerry.


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3499 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
Pretty good "strategery" for the "village idiot".

Truly as cunning a statesman as any. He sure showed them!  sarcastic 

Ever hear of John Bolton? Hell, Reagan made 243 recess appointments in his years in office alone.

Of course, if believing that this is some kind of slick strategy Bush slyly executed after a period of meticulous planning is going to make you feel better about the utterly dismal state of his presidency, ignore everything you just read.



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User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 8):
Reagan made 243 recess appointments in his years in office alone.

Yep and Clinton made 139. So the next time you guys want to tell me about the Democrats in Congress working WITH Republican Presidents, I don't want to hear it.

This is statistical proof that Democrats are obstructionists.


User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1996 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2304 times:
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Bush has lost all credibility. I could care less what scumbag backroom buddy he appoints to Belgium. He's already shown how much of an ass he is over the criticism of Pelosi's visit to Syria. Funny, he was all over her trip like stink on shit, but said absolutely nothing whatsoever about 3 Republicans visiting Syria.


It's been swell, but the swelling has gone down.
User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2304 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 8):
Ever hear of John Bolton? Hell, Reagan made 243 recess appointments in his years in office alone.

No who is John Bolton?  Yeah sure I've never heard of him before.  Yeah sure Please enlighten me with your brilliant political science analysis.  Yeah sure

Junior, I probably spent more time on the Hill than you've spent in college.


User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2057 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

As someone who helped Bush win the second term, Fox will have a very warm welcome in Belgium as ambassador.

I hope he'll enjoy his time.



Samson was a biblical tough guy, but his dad Samsonite was even more of a hard case.
User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3499 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 9):

Yep and Clinton made 139. So the next time you guys want to tell me about the Democrats in Congress working WITH Republican Presidents, I don't want to hear it.

That wasn't ment to infer that only Republicans make recess appointments. I was simply pointing out that they aren't particularly rare by using the highest count. We are after all, talking about politicians here.



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User currently offlineRJdxer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2286 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
With Bush's approval rating the way it is, he's fighting from behind on that one.

But he doesn't have anymore elections to win, the democrats do.

Quoting PA110 (Reply 10):
but said absolutely nothing whatsoever about 3 Republicans visiting Syria.

3 Republican Speakers of the House visited Syria during President Bushes 2 terms in office? And here I thought Denny Hastert was just a large man!


User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2280 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 13):
That wasn't ment to infer that only Republicans make recess appointments. I was simply pointing out that they aren't particularly rare by using the highest count. We are after all, talking about politicians here.

I didn't mean to imply that you might have been one of those that are all about the bi-partisanship of Democrats. You just gave me some statistical proof.


User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2276 times:

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 9):
This is statistical proof that Democrats are obstructionists.

Please say the other half. Please. You're smarter than this.

We need cooperation in DC and this sort of position only fosters separation. Regardless of which party is in power, the other party does what it can to undermine the other. If you keep thinking this way, then so will they.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

Hahahahaha! Bush made a phunney! Yesterday he criticizes Congress for recessing, today he makes a recess appointment.


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User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

Well politics in DC as usual.

Given his track record, the people the President appointed to positions, or on the other side of that coin the lack of replacing those who show incompetence at their positions, it's hard to believe some still think this President has credibility on the matter.

Quoting RJdxer (Reply 14):
But he doesn't have anymore elections to win, the democrats do.

True, he may not personally have more to win, but what he does will reflect upon future elections. Many moderate, or independent voters may vote Democratic because of the fall outs of this administration.

Dave



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3499 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2253 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 17):
Hahahahaha! Bush made a phunney! Yesterday he criticizes Congress for recessing, today he makes a recess appointment.

To say nothing of lambasting Pelosi's "photo op" in Syria only days after McCain's tightly-guarded stroll through Baghdad provided an example of the "improvements" in Iraq that nobody is talking about. Most of us can tell they're all playing the same game; it'd be nice if they'd respect our intelligence every once in awhile.



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User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2251 times:

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 16):
Regardless of which party is in power, the other party does what it can to undermine the other. If you keep thinking this way, then so will they.

Here's the thing CastleIsland, and we have the stats to prove it:

Under Reagan with a Democrat lead Congress, 243 Recess Appointments, in 8 years.

Under George Bush with a Democrat lead Congress, 77 in 4 years. (Thats a pace of 154 over 8 years)

Under Bill Clinton with a Republican lead Congress, 139

George W. Bush with a Republican majority for most of his Presidency still had to use this 106 times over 6 years.

So what do the numbers tell us? When Democrats are in power they always ask for bipartisanship, and according to these numbers they get it. When Republicans are in power that call for bipartisanship goes out the window and the numbers show it.

It was easier for Bill Clinton to get who he wanted in position under a Republican Congress than three Republican Presidents could even when Republicans had a slim majority. Why is that do you think?


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2244 times:

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 20):
Under Reagan with a Democrat lead Congress, 243 Recess Appointments, in 8 years.

If I remember right a couple of years the Republicans controlled the US Senate during the Reagan administration, and that's the advise and consent part of Congress.


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3829 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2244 times:

It happens all the time. The previous president did it as well. Ambassadors are political appointees.


Clinton appoints first openly gay ambassador

June 4, 1999

WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, June 4) -- President Bill Clinton Friday used his recess appointment privilege to name James Hormel as ambassador to Luxembourg. Clinton's move was in direct defiance of the Senate's GOP leadership who have refused to confirm Hormel because he is openly gay.


http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/06/04/hormel/



Ain't I a stinker?
User currently offlineMaidensGator From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 8):
Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
Pretty good "strategery" for the "village idiot".

Truly as cunning a statesman as any. He sure showed them!

This whole thing is just a pissing contest between Kerry and Bush over what really is an insignificant appointment (no offense to Belgium). Bush wins the pissing contest... What a waste of time all around...

Quoting Rara (Reply 12):
As someone who helped Bush win the second term, Fox will have a very warm welcome in Belgium as ambassador.

I hope he'll enjoy his time.

I'm sure he will....



The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 23):
I don't think he, Pope, MDorbust and RJxdxer are any smarter than that, on an emoitional level. They're so worried about covering up for Republicans, no matter what they do, or how they do it, that they can't use the brain that God gave them to think through the situation on partisian politics. I really don't. They're incapable of coming out of their partisian shell, even for a minute, and analyzing something without bias. It's not in their makeup.

You know Falcon, I keep trying to listen to Pep when he says that you are an upstanding guy.. But all I see from you is  redflag . I don't know what the hell he sees in you, because you are full of it.

If you were with us at the BHM meet you would know just how partisan I am. Ask N1120A about it. I talked with him about my votes that year.

Perhaps if you could for one second rectify your anal cranial inversion you might remember that I am the guy who posted the complete Republic/Democrat/Independant list of corrupt polititians before last years elections.

I am absolutely sick of the garbage you spread in any thread regarding politics Falcon. Read my post chowderhead. Where did I type a single word positive about the Republican party. You know what, don't even bother. You aren't worth the waste of time anymore.

Fall off into oblivion for all I care.


25 CastleIsland : That both sides are obstructionists, and statistically, over the past 27 years, the Dems have been more so. That doesn't change the fact that both si
26 UALPHLCS : Fair enough. I disagree, with you, but you're reasons are the most cogent and least partisan of anything I've seen from those who lean left on airlin
27 MaidensGator : It depends what day it is which party I dislike more.... I am proud that as a registered voter for more than 30 years, I've never belonged to a polit
28 Falcon84 : Calling like I see them, my friend. All I ever see of you on here is defending Republicans against Democrats. I don't see anything else. Again, as I'
29 Yellowstone : Why are you equating the President getting his way with bipartisanship? These statistics don't necessarily show that Democrats are more partisan than
30 TedTAce : Dude, my problem here is you make it sound like W is some kind of brilliant strategist. KKKarl Rove told him he could do it so he did, thumbing his n
31 MaidensGator : Actually, he's only thumbing his nose at John Kerry, but you've got a valid point... And both parties look more like that every day...
32 Post contains links Cfalk : Believe it or not, The public's approval rating of Congress is even lower than Bush's! CONGRESS – Favorable Job Rating Fox/Opinion Dynamics: 30% Ga
33 Post contains links RJdxer : He didn't. You, in your own little world of personal rage against the President, evidently missed the sarcasm. I did not criticize her going there. S
34 Yellowstone : Please quote where it says this.
35 Post contains images FXramper : ...oh John. You get back to AUS quick. I owe you a weiner! Bring Pelosi back from Syria too with that cooperation koolaid.
36 Post contains images CastleIsland : There is an important distinction to be drawn between trying to stop legislation that one feels their constituency would not agree with, and just pla
37 Post contains links Falcon84 : I named them-in another thread. Here's the thread: http://airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/1573291/ Here's where I named them, with a
38 B777-700 : Ouch, that's devestating to your world view RJ. Don't worry, look around and I'm sure someone will tell you what to say.
39 Post contains links RJdxer : Well I'm in this thread. As usual you are light on sourcing. If I'm going to bring something from another thread to this one, I quote the link up fro
40 Zippyjet : W has sent the mentally challanged (formerly referred to as retarded) back by 50 years.
41 Post contains links and images AirTranTUS : Well, if you look past the FOX poll, you will notice the Gallup poll is lower. Maybe you shouldn't cry bullsh!t every time you see the words "FOX New
42 B777-700 : And you confirm it...over and over. I notice how you have absolutly no explanation for anything Falcon posted, instead you just concentrate on insult
43 UALPHLCS : Agreed... which is why it makes me upset that the Democrats in Congress have been playing this obstructionist game to qualified judges and the like f
44 Itsjustme : Pretty freaking sad if this is Bush's best move to uh, "out flank" the Democrats. He appoints a crony as US Ambassador to Belgium? That's it? That's h
45 Cfalk : Article II of the Constitution says the president has the power to: - make treaties with other countries (with consent of the Senate), - appoint amba
46 AeroWesty : Quite. It now means Republicans will have first dibs on all the best chocolate. BTW, did anyone else notice that after Bush criticized Congress for g
47 Pope : Difference is that the POTUS can carry out his constitutional duties from anywhere in the world. He could be lying in bed in Tahiti and still fully e
48 RJdxer : When you can come up with something besides "I know you are but what am I" get back to me. In the meantime how about actually reading the posts.
49 UALPHLCS : Coming from you that's hysterical. B777-700 that's all you do! Rolling smiley faces and insults. I've never seen you refute anything someone else has
50 Jaysit : The village idiot didn't come up with this so don't cream in your panties along with your fellow gwb groupies. This is something that everyone from s
51 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Time for a 3rd party. -R
52 Post contains links Pope : Ahhh. This from the man who started the thread on the nomination being blocked with the words: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read
53 Jaysit : What is the big deal here? This is classic Congressional and Presidential politics. Clinton did this on several occasions, and this is not the first t
54 Post contains images B777-700 : When you say something that causes me to actually take you seriously, I promise to let you know. Have been. You never addressed this... It was just m
55 UALPHLCS : What a way to show us you don't care. BTW I'm sorry to pull you off the beach. Since you said this in another thread: "Actually, I took a neat little
56 Post contains images B777-700 : Uh, I'm back. You think I'd waste my time arguing with you if I was still down there?
57 UALPHLCS : How long where you down there?
58 B777-700 : About a day and a half... Again with more baseless insults instead of addressing the issue. What do you think of the Republican delegation visiting S
59 Post contains images OU812 : ?img border=0 src="http://www.airliners.net/discussions/graphics/smilies/rotfl.gif" width="39" height="15" border=0>? I see Falcon84 is up to his usu
60 Post contains links Baroque : I wonder if the Bush supporters ever think of the effect this type of appointment makes on the "host" nation. So far our new Mr Ambassador appears to
61 Post contains images TedTAce : The apologists think that Bush thinks. This is the first mistake. Bush thinks like Homer Simpson 'what is going to help me and my friends now', with
62 Post contains images WellHung :
63 Post contains images B777-700 : Oh no! He's the embassador of Belgium! You're in for it now! In your face Democrats! You're funny!
64 Itsjustme : Yeah, and isn't that a comforting thought. Bush can continue to fuck up the country without even being on American soil.
65 Post contains links and images OU812 : More blind anger from the far left. We'll leave the f-ing up to Pelosi & the pussycats. Thank you! http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/S...&subContras
66 AirCop : What a bargain this guy Fox will be. According to what I just read in the Washington Post, having a recess appointment to be an ambassador means no pa
67 Post contains links and images RJdxer : From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Fox Fox founded Harbour Group Industries, a multi-billion dollar investment firm Somehow I think he
68 Itsjustme : The far left? Me??? Are you fucking kidding me? Do yourself a favor and do some background on someone before making ridiculous assumptions about them
69 AeroWesty : So you're endorsing the idea of a shadow presidency in Congress then?
70 RJdxer : No, I'm saying that if they have someone better than Ambassador Fox for the job they should speak up. As Chuckie Schumer did when his boy got the ax
71 AeroWesty : First they have to find out if he's qualified or not.
72 RJdxer : What qualifies you to be an Ambassador? How many Ambassadors in the past have had those qualifications and how many have been supporters being reward
73 Post contains images ArniePie : Hey hey, Belgium is an important country, where else would you get those nice chocolates and fine diamonds from? Also the capital of the EU and NATO
74 UALPHLCS : The Most Gratuitous Use of the Word "Belgium" in a Serious Screenplay. I always thought it was an award.
75 Post contains images Falcon84 : Why? They do not nominate anyone, RJ. The President does. Congress' role is OVERSIGHT in this instance, and most in Congress didn't think he was wort
76 AeroWesty : You're not even addressing the point. Now you're going off on a tangent that the confirmation process itself is a hoax, after criticizing those invol
77 Falcon84 : I can't even reply to Mr. Van Halen anymore. We're talking about an ambassadorship appointment, and, true to form, he brings up Nancy Pelosi's trip to
78 Yellowstone : My take on the situation: - It's sad that ambassadorships are now just rewards for partisan cronies, but that's politics these days. - Mr. Fox should
79 UALPHLCS : Please tell me when was an ambassadorship ANYTHING but a reward for partisan cronies? Plum Ambassadorships have been given as perks since the Washing
80 Post contains images Yellowstone : Well, yeah, but when Ben Franklin is your partisan crony, such actions are a little more forgivable.
81 Post contains images Halls120 : As if the Congress had any intention of cooperating with Bush, and vice versa. We're in for an 18 month long political equivalent of a steel cage mat
82 Post contains images RJdxer : But they are free to suggest to the President someone they feel is deserving. It happens all the time with nominees for Judicial appointments and U.S
83 AeroWesty : What I asked was whether you were endorsing a shadow presidency. My question had nothing to do specifically with the ambassadorship. You're now under
84 RJdxer : Swift Boat $$ Contiributer Get's Paid Back reply 35 Quoting RJdxer (Reply 34): Then the matter of the U.S. attorneys is solved. Perhaps you weren't p
85 Post contains images AeroWesty : So pointing out that Bush made a phunney is ridicule of an A.net member? That doesn't even fit the context of your complaint--"not having an answer".
86 RJdxer : I don't believe in hitting the SD button. Most everyone here has paid to play and as such should be given wide lattitude to express their opinion as
87 Post contains images Baroque : What a devilish selective quoter you are Ted. Glad to be of assistance though.
88 Post contains links and images OU812 : That's your opinion. Under Bush, I & a vast % of the population have prospered quite handsomely in both real estate & in the stock market. For you to
89 Post contains images Falcon84 : Substitute "vast" for "a small percentage", and you might have it right, Van Halen. You have the never to call anyone else "partisan and ignorant"? P
90 MaidensGator : What about Belgian Waffles?? And I'm not sure but don't Brussels Sprouts come from there too?? Not true, it was only held up in the Foreign Relations
91 Post contains images JGPH1A : The fine diamonds come from South Africa and Russia. They are just sold in Antwerp The capital of the EU and NATO were put where the fewest people wo
92 Post contains links Halls120 : The following excerpt from an April 5, 2007, editorial in the Washington Post provides a clear answer to your question. SImply put, in ths instance,
93 MaidensGator : Thanks for that link. This editorial is all the more indicative of Pelosi's cluelessness coming as it does from the Washington Post. If the Post is c
94 Post contains links AirportSeven : Yeah Pope, it's funny whenever the Bush administration avoids congressional oversight in its quest for a unitary and unchecked Executive branch. And t
95 Post contains links and images Falcon84 : Welcome to my RU list, friend. That was an excellent post. And Pope?
96 Blackbird : Airport Seven, I'd have to agree to a lot of what you said. People like Pope don't get that Bush's clever end run tactics, and screwing the Democrats
97 Halls120 : And you think that Presidents before Bush didn't use executive privilege to advance their agendas? That presidents after Bush won't do the same? They
98 Post contains links RJdxer : Section 2. The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which sha
99 MaidensGator : You're conveniently overlooking the Constitution of the United States when you imply the appointment was illegal. Article 2, Section 2, Paragraph 3 r
100 Itsjustme : You mean like seeking an end to the war in Iraq and stopping Bush from politicizing the judicial branch? Are those the relevant issues you're speakin
101 JetBlueGuy2006 : How? She will be up for reelection in 2008 when a new pres is voted for and if reelected will be sworn in at about the same time. Both Terms end in 2
102 MaidensGator : The war, yes. I don't pretend to know the answer, but it's somewhere in between where the Democrats in Congress and Bush have staked out their respec
103 Post contains images L-188 : Better ones come from Canada and Arkansas The only problem is that Bush isn't a threat to anybody, and certainly to the Constitution of the US. I thi
104 Post contains images Halls120 : Couldn't agree more. I work in the Department of Justice. While the the AG and his cronies completely botched the USA removal, the accusation that th
105 L-188 : Ha, look at all the left wingers that Clinton put in, Ginsberg being probably one of the bust examples of somebody who lets her political views set h
106 MaidensGator : Election day is the same for both. The new President will be sworn in on January 20, 2009. The new Congress will go into Session approximately two we
107 Itsjustme : I'm not disputing the fact that it's been done by members of both parties. What I am saying is, it needs to come to a stop. That being said, I have t
108 Halls120 : The problem is that many debates on Anet revolve around the idea that Bush is the only person to have abused the power of the executive office. He is
109 Post contains images Falcon84 : Ah, so the Dems are BOTH Nazi's and Communists, eh, L-188. Actually, if you look at it politically, liberals are closer to communism, and conservativ
110 RJdxer : Did you vote in the last election? Then you excercised your control over who your leaders would be. If they didn't get elected then the other side ex
111 Post contains images L-188 : Agree completely. I didn't say that. Actually I have a real problem with conservatives who don't practive conservitisim. You know the funny part is t
112 Itsjustme : Will they be fired mid term? After receiving excellent performance reviews? While investigating Democrats for possible political corruption? If so, t
113 AirportSeven : We all know that other Presidents have claimed executive privilege and that future presidents will as well. My argument is that Bush has gone to that
114 RJdxer : I still don't understand what you see as wrong. The U.S. attorney serve. and have always served, at the Presidents leisure. It's as simple as that. T
115 Halls120 : I recognize that the concept of recess appointments are grounded in the days when Congress took long recesses, and the idea of a recess appointment w
116 Itsjustme : I fully understand this. Not true. I have no problem with PotUS having the ability to fire and hire US Attorneys. What I do have a problem with is hi
117 Halls120 : Sorry, but all presidential appointees serve at the pleasure of the president. They aren't entitled to a four - or eight - year "no cut" contract. Mo
118 DrDeke : How, exactly, does an act that attempts to diminish the power of the executive "smack of fascism"? DrDeke
119 Itsjustme : You're right, I stand corrected. I don't think you're giving the Dems enough credit. You don't think they would've smelled something regardless of no
120 Halls120 : Sure, the democrats would have raised a ruckus. But where the current fourth floor crowd went wrong is by trying to dress up the dismissals as perfor
121 Blackbird : RJdxer and MaidensGator, Yes: To the letter of the law (but certainly not the spirit) Dubya Bush is not technically violating the law. However, the i
122 RJdxer : Every President has that power. It comes with the job. It doesn't make any difference if they were or weren't. If the President didn't think they wer
123 Itsjustme : Apples and oranges. How about if it was learned after their firings that those let go were in the process of building a case to divulge illegal activ
124 Halls120 : I don't believe anyone was fired because they were looking at republican corruption. In at least one case, the USA was fired because he allegedly was
125 UALPHLCS : Oh please. Who won in November again? Oh that's right the Democrats. And what are they doing now? Endless investigations of every piece of naval lint
126 Post contains links RJdxer : Still legal, still not wrong. According to this article the attorney in question was investigating the democrats. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933
127 DrDeke : The only reason given for not approving him immediately was because he financially supported a political group that Kerry did not like. So the messag
128 RJdxer : Did or did not Sen Kerry oppose Mr. Fox for ambassodor because he financially supported the swift boat 527 group? Did Sen. Kerry name any other reaso
129 DrDeke : Be that as it may, Falcon was not the person who accused a major American political party of being either Nazis or Communists in the first place. Nob
130 DrDeke : You continue to dodge (or miss, but I doubt that) the point. Senator Kerry has no power to censor Mr. Fox in any way, nor, to my knowledge, has he at
131 Post contains images UALPHLCS : Hey, if you want me to accurate and correct L-188 I'll call the Democrats Stalinist... I have no problem with that. L-188 the term you were searching
132 Post contains images DrDeke : I am aware of that. I don't see a need to be condescending ("civics lesson"), although I suppose it would be a civics lesson for many people, so, ok.
133 DrDeke : My problem was with you accusing Falcon of "exaggerating," when it was L-188 who exaggerated, and Falcon was calling him out on it. DrDeke
134 Post contains links RJdxer : Evidently he has since it took a recess appointment to have Mr. Fox be the Ambassador to Belgium, all because Sen. Kerry objected to whom Ambassador
135 Post contains images Falcon84 : Gee, that's what I said. Way to make something out of nothing.
136 Itsjustme : Regardless of what it 'smacks of', it is perfectly legal. So, by your own argument with regard to the firing of the US attorneys, if it's legal then
137 RJdxer : Where I have said or intoned that I think it is illegal? What I said was that is just goes to show how petty Sen. Kerry is. If he had been confirmed
138 AirportSeven : I always kind of figured that Senate confirmation was another example of checks and balances in action, a way to ensure that elected officials other
139 Post contains images Itsjustme : You haven't. But you have intoned, however, that just because something is legal, automatically makes it right.
140 Post contains images RJdxer : 1. The Ambassador to Belgium is an important diplomatic position? 2. In this case only one other elected official got to have his say in whether the
141 Post contains images Itsjustme : Thanks. I was just getting over seeing a woman at the topless pool at Ceasars in Vegas who was 80 if she was day. Legal or not...THAT was just wrong.
142 Halls120 : And this is the problem with the Senate, and it just doesn't apply to ambassadorial nominations. There have been treaties the US has signed, but cann
143 AirportSeven : Relatively speaking, probably not as important as Deputy Commissioner of the Social Security Administration or Director of Oversight at the Office of
144 UALPHLCS : Actually you put party labels on it, which I totally disagree with. Republican's are not closer to Nazism. Republican's are far from Nazism. Democrat
145 Post contains links RJdxer : Neither one are high level cabinet posts. Those are the kind of important positions I speak of. But he did appear before the Senate foreign relations
146 DrDeke : RJdxer: It's quite clear to me that you simply dislike John Kerry and are angry that he Does that mean we also all agree that the Democrats are far fr
147 UALPHLCS : This isn't clear enough?
148 Post contains images DrDeke : Well, it's not exactly as clear as your statement about the Republicans. Fair and balanced, fair and balanced... Also, that bit about RJdxer was not
149 UALPHLCS : It's not meant to be. Republicans especially this administration are accused of inching toward fascism. Typical rhetorical tactic but nothing could b
150 B777-700 : Ok, show us.
151 Cfalk : Just consider the latest budgets coming out of the House. Huge spending increases accompanied by the largest tax increase in history. Say goodbye to
152 UALPHLCS : Two words: Universal Healthcare
153 Halls120 : Good point. I plan on getting as much elective medical care accomplished as I can in time to beat the expected downfall of the American medical care
154 Post contains images B777-700 : What country do you live in? Universal healthcare would be a good thing. Try again?
155 UALPHLCS : You didn't ask if it was a good thing or not. You asked to be shown Socialist policies of Democrats. Try Again?
156 Post contains images B777-700 : That's not an example. That's something the government should be doing for it's citizens instead of wasting billions on a BS war. I'll take the healt
157 Cfalk : Saying it's lousy does not make it so (although clearly it worked on you). We are at full employment. The budget deficit is coming under control (unl
158 Halls120 : Why is it the obligation of the government to provide free medical care for all citizens?
159 B777-700 : Never said it was an obligation. I said it's something they should be doing instead of this BS war. Taking care of Americans first. We're the richest
160 Halls120 : OK, so why is free health care "something they should be doing."
161 B777-700 : I answered that..
162 UALPHLCS : That's not the issue. It is an example. Whether you agree with it or not, whether you personally want it or not. Socialism is a theory or system of s
163 Halls120 : Government doesn't provide free housing for all citizens. Government doesn't provide free clothing for all citizens. Government doesn't provide free
164 UALPHLCS : Halls120, I appreciate what you're saying and agree. But what has B777-700s comments have to do with this anyway? He asked for and example of a Social
165 Post contains images B777-700 : Oh my God, dude. If you only knew the irony in that statement! Again, you missed my point entirely! The GOP has inched towards Nazism.
166 UALPHLCS : Show us. With real examples.
167 B777-700 : Two words: NSA wiretaps.
168 UALPHLCS : Where you personally wiretapped? Wire taps of terrorism suspects is akin to Nazism? Terrorists calling from outside the US being recorded is Nazi lik
169 B777-700 : That's not the issue. It is an example. Whether you agree with it or not, whether you personally want it or not.
170 UALPHLCS : Very good. It only took you a little over two hours to completely ignore my post except for one sentence. Should we expect a full answer later tonigh
171 B777-700 : I had a meeting. Unlike you, I don't have the spare time to be timing people for how long they take to reply. Again, I dont have to put a lot of effo
172 UALPHLCS : Is that what you did? Oh my! How on earth did I miss that? Gee, your a whiz with cut and paste. Note sarcasm Can you cut and paste an original though
173 B777-700 : Ok... Done and done. You're a hypocrite. I'm well aware of that. They do represent the party tho, and have cause it to shift towards Nazism. You coul
174 UALPHLCS : With logic clear only to you. Proof that you don't read what I write. Your creditbility is shot. Do yourself a favor and stop, you're embarassing you
175 TedTAce : If I was a mod I'd lock this thread and give a vacation to some of you. This is embarrasing.
176 B777-700 : With logic clear only to you. Agreed.
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