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Germany's ICE Trains And Lufthansa  
User currently offlineAlitalia777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 494 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 months 20 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

Hey all,
I was looking at flights going to STR and noticed that the portion from FRA-STR is actually FRA-ZWS--the Stuttgart train station. Can anyone tell me a little bit about the ICE trains? I know a little bit about them, but on this specific route, are they newer or older generations of ICE? Are they high speed? Are there many stops? How is the connection from Lufthansa to ICE? Would I need to recheck in? Thank you all!


-Alitalia777

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User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 17 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

I've been on the ICE as an exchange student in Germany. They aren't the greatest thing as they're crowded and the snack buggie is full of smokers, but it works for a cheap alternative to flying. It works better as a group as there are no forms of entertainment to speak of. The German countryside gets a little boring rather quickly. When I was on it, I went as a group and it was fun trying to run through it while going at 160 mph (roughly). Almost costed me a punch in the face by a German businessman, but it was rather fun for an eight hour train ride to Berlin from Stuttgart. On the ICE, there are few stops and I'm not sure how new they are. You'd best ask a German member on the forum for more information. I believe all the announcements are in German from what I remember and I don't know if you speak German like I do, but you may be able to get the jist of things if you are aware of your surroundings.

User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 41
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 13 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 1):
They aren't the greatest thing as they're crowded and the snack buggie is full of smokers, but it works for a cheap alternative to flying.

IVN trains piss me off. When taking an ICN from Basel to Freiburg Manneheim to Basel in 2002using the interrail pass I had to pay an extra 8 euros! Pissed me off because on that segment the ICE train actually don't go any faster than 160km/h!

I have the impression that there are far less high speed tracks in Germany than France . However I must say the interior of the ICE is extremely beautiful and the ICE are very comfortable. Far more than the Swiss ICN

Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 1):
but it was rather fun for an eight hour train ride to Berlin from Stuttgart

See its a rip off. its meant to be a high speed train but I doubt a train circulatin at 300 km/h takes 8 hours to get from Stuttgart to berlin.

Quoting Alitalia777 (Thread starter):
I know a little bit about them, but on this specific route, are they newer or older generations of ICE? Are they high speed?

Yes the very first ones are indeed high speed . I guess you mean this one

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/ICE1_Schellenberg.jpg

This is the newer one


Here you have more info
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InterCityExpress

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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8667 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 13 hours ago) and read 2305 times:

Quoting Alitalia777 (Thread starter):
Can anyone tell me a little bit about the ICE trains?

Sure!

Quoting Alitalia777 (Thread starter):
I know a little bit about them, but on this specific route, are they newer or older generations of ICE?

I looked up the train numbers for the AIRail services to Stuttgart, and my source tells me that they're all operated by ICE1 trainsets. Chances are however good that you'll get a refurbished one, which is quite a bit nicer than the old battered version even though it doesn't have in-seat audio anymore (see below).

Quoting Alitalia777 (Thread starter):
Are they high speed?

Yes, but it depends on the track. In your case, the part between FRA (the airport station) and Mannheim (only stop before Stuttgart) is limited to 200 km/h and the part between Mannheim and Stuttgart is for 250 km/h.

Quoting Alitalia777 (Thread starter):
Are there many stops?

See above, just Mannheim, and I think that if there's a stop at Frankfurt's central station on the route of your train, it will be before it gets to the airport.

Quoting Alitalia777 (Thread starter):
How is the connection from Lufthansa to ICE?

You check everything in to Stuttgart and receive your baggage there at the station, IIRC there's an "AIRail centre" at the station that handles such matters. At FRA, you walk to the station for long distance trains which is adjacent to T1, but still a bit of a walk away.

Quoting Alitalia777 (Thread starter):
Would I need to recheck in?

no

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Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 1):
They aren't the greatest thing

Surely they aren't, the greatest thing in transportation has a delta wing and four Olympus engines!

Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 1):
they're crowded

That depends entirely on the day and time you're travelling, but as an LH passenger you'll have a reserved seat anyway.

Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 1):
the snack buggie is full of smokers

They at least used to be, and that's why I hardly ever go there. Additionally, the prices are ridiculous for what you get.

Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 1):
there are no forms of entertainment to speak of.

True mostly, but a) he won't miss it on the short trip from FRA to Stuttgart and b) there are many ICEs with some in-seat audio entertainment. However, DB gave up on the system because people prefer their own MP3 and/or DVD players by far, so they say. The cost *may* have been a part of the decision as well.

Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 1):
The German countryside gets a little boring rather quickly.

Harrumph!

Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 1):
it was rather fun for an eight hour train ride to Berlin from Stuttgart.

That right there is your problem, eight hours can easily get boring on everything! I've done Mannheim to Hamburg and back and Mannheim to Berlin and back in one day so far, at the ends of those days I definitely had enough of trains for the time being.

Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 1):
all the announcements are in German

Basically, yes, but they introduced "English" announcements for the football world cup... along the lines of "Sank yoo for trevvelink wiss Doitsche Bahn, goot bi!"

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Quoting RootsAir (Reply 2):
on that segment the ICE train actually don't go any faster than 160km/h!

But they're working on the line so it'll be suitable for 250 km/h mostly.

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 2):
there are far less high speed tracks in Germany than France

Sort of, you have to factor in that we don't have one centre where everything can converge but we have Hamburg, Berlin, Hannover, Cologne plus the Ruhr area NE of it, Leipzig/Dresden, Frankfurt, Mannheim/Stuttgart and Munich; not to mention all the smaller towns that absolutely, definitely have to have an ICE station! We also don't have the same favourable geography as France and the country was divided until 1990. All in all, a lot has been done and a lot will be done.

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 2):
See its a rip off. its meant to be a high speed train but I doubt a train circulatin at 300 km/h takes 8 hours to get from Stuttgart to berlin.

It's only on high speed track between Stuttgart and Mannheim, Fulda (where the jurassic and terribly slow line from Frankfurt joins the Hannover-Würzburg HSL) and Hannover and then Wolfsburg and suburban Berlin. The rest is for 200 km/h at most, especially the dead-end station in Frankfurt costs endless amounts of time but cannot be changed without digging up half of the city. In Paris, the dead-end stations are actually the terminal stations for the TGV lines - in Germany, they often are not.

And why is it a "rip-off"? Compared to booking air travel with its security fees, fuel surcharges, airport taxes and nose picking mites, DB is pretty fair and honest.

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 2):
Yes the very first ones are indeed high speed .

They're all high speed, from 230 km/h (ICE-T) to 300 km/h (ICE3).

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 2):
This is the newer one

Yes, it's an ICE3 which goes up to 300 km/h on the newest high speed lines.

[Edited 2007-04-13 10:24:46]


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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 41
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 3):

True mostly, but a) he won't miss it on the short trip from FRA to Stuttgart and b) there are many ICEs with some in-seat audio entertainment. However, DB gave up on the system because people prefer their own MP3 and/or DVD players by far, so they say. The cost *may* have been a part of the decision as well.

I remeber some had PTV's !

Quoting Aloges (Reply 3):
And why is it a "rip-off"? Compared to booking air travel with its security fees, fuel surcharges, airport taxes and nose picking mites, DB is pretty fair and honest.

Well the rip-off I mean is they state the ICE goes at high speed whereas most segments are limited to 200 km/h. that's the rip off

Quoting Aloges (Reply 3):
Yes, it's an ICE3 which goes up to 300 km/h on the newest high speed lines.

I took it however from ZRH to Schaffhausen....this train the continued to STR

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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9096 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 11 hours ago) and read 2254 times:

Some questions have been answered already.

Smoking is banned in the snack section of the trains.

All ICE trains are high speed, it depends on the route they travel. Between STR and FRA, both the 1st and the 3rd generation are in service.

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 4):
Well the rip-off I mean is they state the ICE goes at high speed whereas most segments are limited to 200 km/h. that's the rip o

what do you consider a "rip-off" in this case? You pay actuallyless per kilometer on segments that do not allow top speeds. The highest fares are between FRA and CGN where they added a surcharge if you actually use the train between these 2 points only.

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 4):
I took it however from ZRH to Schaffhausen....this train the continued to STR

That has been most liekly the Italian version

Quoting LHboyatDTW (Reply 1):
. I believe all the announcements are in German from what I remember a

announcements are always in German and in English. The English version can be real funny, when "ze puurr guys haff no pracktiz speaking" but it is usually acceptable. Going to Holland, all announcements are in Dutch, German and in English.



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8667 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 10 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 4):
I took it however from ZRH to Schaffhausen....this train the continued to STR

First, I meant to say that the ICE3 can reach 300 on the new lines, of course it doesn't run solely on them. Second, what you were on was probably an ICE-T which looks very similar to the ICE3 but has a top speed of 230, tilts and was built to use existing (and in some cases upgraded) tracks so as to facilitate higher speeds without having to build new HSLs.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 5):
That has been most liekly the Italian version

AFAIK, the "Pendolino" doesn't serve Stuttgart anymore. They've been replaced by the ICE-T.



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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 41
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 9 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 5):
what do you consider a "rip-off" in this case?

well sorry ! I just meant it the french way In french you also sayyou are riped off when what something is annoinced isn't what you get. They say high speed train and you get 200km /h. Plus they charge you an extra 8 Euros with a railpass ticket for going the same speed as if you didn't take the ICE !

sorry if some people didn't understand what i mean... no use to make a big hassle either !!

Quoting Aloges (Reply 6):
AFAIK, the "Pendolino" doesn't serve Stuttgart anymore

I don't like the cisalpino vey much. Their chemical toilets always seem to leak out and give the train a nasty douer when you are inside !

Quoting Aloges (Reply 6):
ICE-T which looks very similar to the ICE3 but has a top speed of 230, tilts and was built to use existin

a bit like the pendolino's concept


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User currently offlineAlitalia777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2102 times:

Well I'll be living in Reutlingen (in der nahe von Stuttgart) for 6 months, and then I have no idea where I'll be the other 6, since I'll be doing a co-op (internship). The flight deal that included the train has since disappeared and has been replaced with an actual flight to Stuttgart. Hopefully the former deal will come back since I would prefer to spend less money, but if not, I'm sure that there'll be other opportunities to ride ICE. I hope I enjoy Germany, although I'm sure that I will!!


-Alitalia777


User currently offlineBritish767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 284 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2096 times:

My experience of the ICE has always been very good! I've been on it about 3 or 4 times (return) from Frankfurt Hauptbahnhof to Kassel Wilhelmshöhe. They've always been very comfortable, very quick (perhaps the speed restriction is not so low on this track), and on time. The only problem I've ever had is somebody sitting in my seat, but if you just tell them it's pre-reserved for you then they have to move.

Even though the annoucement are made in German, it's still easy to get use and all pretty self-explantory.

[Edited 2007-04-15 20:12:09]

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