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Rove RNC E-mails Missing?  
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 998 times:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18084846/

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WASHINGTON - A lawyer for the Republican National Committee told congressional staff members yesterday that the RNC is missing at least four years' worth of e-mail from White House senior adviser Karl Rove that is being sought as part of investigations into the Bush administration, according to the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

As someone who has worked in technology this is EXTREMELY unlikely. Now if they say they lost ALL e-mail for this time period and don't have any backups, fine, but if they have backups, the e-mails are somewhere in the log files. they just need to get off their ass and play them to a backup server.

Also what was Rove doing USING an RNC account for to begin with? He should have een using his whitehouse e-mail instead of trying to subvert the rules on all mail/memos being preserved.

This is perposterous and yet another example of this administration breaking the rules ecause they feel like it.

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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 987 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Thread starter):
This is perposterous and yet another example of this administration breaking the rules ecause they feel like it.

Hardly. Sounds like more of the same fishing expiditions where no crime was committed, but the House leadership wants to go through the emails anyway to see IF they can drum up another bruhaha. The comparison to Watergate is bogus - at Watergate, there was indeed a crime being investigated.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 972 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 1):
where no crime was committed

If those e-mails don't turn up we will never know will we? I'm not saying there was a "crime" comitted. My points are as follows:
1) All White house staffers/personnel (with the possible exception of gardners, and kitchen staff) have an official e-mail address.
2) Why wasn't Rove using his 'official' e-mail?
2a) Why wasn't/isn't Rove (and all other white house personnel including POTUS) required to ONLY use his (their) Whithouse e-mail?
3) Why (of all organizations) is the RNC unable to recover his e-mails? I garantee you if I sent an E-mail to a stock brokers firm, it would be there and almost instantly available 5 years from now.


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3875 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 972 times:

As someone who has worked in technology this is EXTREMELY unlikely.


Either accidentally erased by the secretary or the dog ate it. Let me guess, 18 1/2 mins. worth of emails?  Wink


Rosemary Woods





Ain't I a stinker?
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 967 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 1):
no crime was committed

Oh, and once again, I'm not CONVINCED there was a crime... but... ummmm Why delete the e-mails if nothing was 'wrong'?


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 967 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 3):
Either accidentally erased by the secretary or the dog ate it. Let me guess, 18 1/2 mins. worth of emails?

I wonder how long it'll be before we hear this question again: "What did the president know and when did he know it?"

And I wonder when will John Dean, now a commentator for MSNBC, repeat his famous words, “There’s a cancer growing on the presidency”.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 962 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 2):
If those e-mails don't turn up we will never know will we?

Sounds like a fishing expedition to me.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 2):
1) All White house staffers/personnel (with the possible exception of gardners, and kitchen staff) have an official e-mail address.

And probably an account with Yahoo, Hotmail, Gmail, and a few others, just like me and probably you. I must have at least 6 email addresses, plus a few I never use.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 2):
2) Why wasn't Rove using his 'official' e-mail?

I'm sure he was using it, but maybe not for everything. So what?

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 2):
2a) Why wasn't/isn't Rove (and all other white house personnel including POTUS) required to ONLY use his (their) Whithouse e-mail?

I'm sure that the White House servers don't need to be filled with confirmation notes from Amazon.com, private emails with dirty Hillary jokes, and the usual spam. What are you after, a police state?

Speaking of Hillary jokes, heard a good one today (although it's probably a bit old).

After Chelsea returned from a date, Hillary asked her
if she had a good time.

Chelsea said she had a wonderful time and she thinks
she's in love.

Hillary said, "You didn't have sex, did you?"

Chelsea said, "Not according to Dad."


Quoting TedTAce (Reply 2):
3) Why (of all organizations) is the RNC unable to recover his e-mails? I garantee you if I sent an E-mail to a stock brokers firm, it would be there and almost instantly available 5 years from now.

If I knew it was likely that my email might eventually be searched for anything that might be used to embarass me - not in a criminal investigation (I know I have not done anything criminal), but a general fishing expedition, I'd also be deleting my old useless emails as well.

Stockbrokers and such businesses keep their records for very different reasons - to cover their asses in case a client attacks them.

I'm off to delete some email. later.


User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 957 times:

Check in his socks .. or maybe down his pants ..

This is such a obvious attempt to put another anchor on the administration its funny and sad. CFLAK nailed it ... its fishing and stirring the pot to keep it brewing.

Their was no crime committed in this .. If the administration did not like a attorney they can fire them. Even if its for political reasons ..period. The Dems are trying to get all this info so that they can build some kind of perjury trap .. transparent and ridiculous.

Once again Ted , your party proves that they lead by destroying the other side and empowering the federal government. They have no new ideas they have no leadership vision other than win power and let the government fix your problems.

The Democratic leadership is setting a serious precedence here that may well be used against them in the future. False accusations and strong arm tactics instead of political debate and coalition building.



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User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 941 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 6):
Sounds like a fishing expedition to me.



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 7):
This is such a obvious attempt to put another anchor on the administration its funny and sad. CFLAK nailed it ... its fishing and stirring the pot to keep it brewing.

Ok, so if there's been no crime, they should have nothing to worry about.

I mean, that's the excuse you guys (and I mean GOP, not necessarily the two of you) use to justify the NSA wiretaps right? If you're not doing anything wrong, then it wont effect you.

So I'm all for any and all investigations. If Rove, Cheney, et al are such great guys, they'll be ok!  Smile


User currently offlineMBMBOS From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 941 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 1):
Sounds like more of the same fishing expiditions where no crime was committed,

"Fishing expedition"????

There's clearly more here than a cum stain on a blue dress.

We have one dismissed federal prosecutor who was contacted and pressured by a congress woman and a senator. We have another federal prosecutor who was dismissed right at the time she began delving deeper into an illegal campaign contribution scheme. We have Alberto Gonzales caught lying about his participation in firing and hiring prosecutors. We have credible information from multiple sources that Karl Rove is directly involved in this.

The U.S. Congress has the right to subpoena and demand this information whether a crime has been committed or not.

This is a very serious issue, Cfalk, and not just business as usual. This is an administration that has demonstrated willful indifference to the rule of law. And this looks like another prime example.

Time to start opening those email messages!


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 937 times:

Oh please, allow me to trot out the well-worn statement used every time someone's civil liberties are at stake:

"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about."

Et tu, Karl?



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User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 929 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 10):
Oh please, allow me to trot out the well-worn statement used every time someone's civil liberties are at stake:

"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about."

Et tu, Karl?

Thanks, Westy  Wink


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 916 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 8):
Ok, so if there's been no crime, they should have nothing to worry about.

There's been no crime, nore even the threat of a crime. So why the invasive search?

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 8):
I mean, that's the excuse you guys (and I mean GOP, not necessarily the two of you) use to justify the NSA wiretaps right? If you're not doing anything wrong, then it wont effect you.

There is a big difference. The NSA attempts to catch relavant information from the airwaves. They are not coming into your home and planting bugs. And if you manage to bypass their net (by using an encrypted satellite phone, for example), you are off the hook. In the NSA case (as well as most police investigations), you are innocent unless by chance you are spotted doing something wrong. The NSA surveilance is no different than having security cameras in the bank, or even a cop on patrol on a street corner. It's there just in case.

But when you come into my office, remove my computer in order to search it, or take my records, that is invasive, and clearly a violation of search & siezure laws unless it is done with a warrant, which is issued with probable cause, meaning that the investigators should believe that there was PROBABLY a crime committed. In this case, nobody has been able to show that any crime has been committed, even probable.

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 9):
We have one dismissed federal prosecutor who was contacted and pressured by a congress woman and a senator.

So?

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 9):
We have another federal prosecutor who was dismissed right at the time she began delving deeper into an illegal campaign contribution scheme.

Of a Democrat, if I recall correctly.

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 9):
We have Alberto Gonzales caught lying about his participation in firing and hiring prosecutors.

Have you never made a mistake? I've said plenty of things which I thought were correct at the time and had forgotten about a conversation or a memo that had crossed my desk 2 years before. Frankly this whole issue is blown way out of proportion. If Gonzales said that an Attorney was fired because he wore pink ties and white socks, he'd be entirely within his rights. It's a scandal over a non-issue!

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 9):
We have credible information from multiple sources that Karl Rove is directly involved in this.

Ohhhh, the big evil Rove. He's been made out to be some kind of Dracula figure. Just listen to yourselves! I'm no fan of his, but Rove is just a guy trying to do his job - i.e. help the President with his agenda. His methods have been, shall we say, resourceful, to put it kindly, but AFAIK, nothing he has done is illegal in any way. He does fight dirty, but no dirtier than the Democrats.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 916 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 12):
There's been no crime, nore even the threat of a crime. So why the invasive search?

What do they have to hide? They should welcome a clean bill of health if that's what it is, as the logic goes.



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 914 times:

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 7):
your party

What is "my party" Mr. Flamebait wiseguy?


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 911 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 13):
What do they have to hide? They should welcome a clean bill of health if that's what it is, as the logic goes.

You know perfectly well that they will not get a clean bill of health. The result will be one of two things: 1) "We found something juicy to embarass the President with", or 2) "We haven't found anything, so he's obviously hiding something and we'll keep looking until he's out of office"

This is politics Westy. Politics at its basest level.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 905 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 15):
This is politics Westy. Politics at its basest level.

Sort of like the unauthorized wiretapping? Oh, now I get it. Thank you, Cfalk for enlightening me today.



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 897 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 16):
Sort of like the unauthorized wiretapping? Oh, now I get it. Thank you, Cfalk for enlightening me today.

I can't help it if you can't understand the logic. But then again, logic has never been a strong point for those on the left.  Wink


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 892 times:

Maybe they should ask Hillary to come by and tell them where she found the Rose Law Firm billing records. Apparently the White House is known for stuff disappearing and then suddenly reappearing.

User currently offlineDrDeke From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 884 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 6):

And probably an account with Yahoo, Hotmail, Gmail, and a few others, just like me and probably you. I must have at least 6 email addresses, plus a few I never use.

Oh give me a break. The poor babies; all that work to figure out which email account to use. I am a lowly civil servant bureaucrat, about one pay grade below the garbage man, and even _I_ know that I have to conduct official business through my official email account. Sheesh.

DrDeke



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 884 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 17):
But then again, logic has never been a strong point for those on the left.

I went to logic school the day Gingrich sent Hastert to Colombia.  Wink



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User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 869 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 12):
Ohhhh, the big evil Rove. He's been made out to be some kind of Dracula figure.

No, that's Cheney  Wink

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 12):
but Rove is just a guy trying to do his job - i.e. help the President with his agenda.

By destroying people's personal lives and using people, Charles. Karma is bound to bite him in the ass. In this life or the afterlife.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 12):
He does fight dirty, but no dirtier than the Democrats.

Really? When Bob Dole ran for president against Clinton, I dont recall any Democrats coming out and calling him a coward and accusing him of faking his injuries. Where were the people at the Democratic convention with purple heart band aids?



Rove is a disgusting pig.


User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 858 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 21):
Really? When Bob Dole ran for president against Clinton, I dont recall any Democrats coming out and calling him a coward and accusing him of faking his injuries. Where were the people at the Democratic convention with purple heart band aids?

Gee, maybe that's because Dole has a well documented injury that plagues him to this day. You ever wonder why he doesn't use his right arm?


User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 855 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 8):
So I'm all for any and all investigations. If Rove, Cheney, et al are such great guys, they'll be ok!

I basically agree with this ... the problem is that the accusations are usually announced at press conference or followed by one post haste. The Democrats have know agenda so to insure their political power they smear the other side and embroil them in legal battles. Thats all just my opinion

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 14):
What is "my party" Mr. Flamebait wiseguy?

Last time I checked their are only 2 viable parties .... If you choose neither then it does not matter I guess.

If you are not a Democrat then why do you care if Carl Rove orchestrated the firing of US Attorneys.? Or is just Flaimbait wise guy stuff... ?



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 841 times:

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 23):
If you choose neither then it does not matter I guess.

No, it's called being smarter then the rest of the sheep (that was flamebait)

I am against all things hypocritical. The right seems to have it in spades these days, though if you read carefully you'll see I have taken shots at the left too.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 23):
if Carl Rove orchestrated the firing of US Attorneys.?

Did I say I did? Where? I missed that statment. All I said was I though it suspicious they were deleted, and the fact the RNC is saying they can't recover HIS e-mails for that period is  redflag .


25 B777-700 : You missed the point pope, good job.
26 Cfalk : No YOU missed the point. Dole was a member of the Greatest Generation. Kerry stabbed his fellow military veterans in the back. They were not on the s
27 Post contains images B777-700 : He's faking. You actually believe that? Really, how's his face healing up? Disagree. The GOP and morso this administration are doing a fine job screw
28 AsstChiefMark : Their dirty tricks and low-blow, underhanded politics make them out to be evil. How much further do they have to go before they're truly Satan's henc
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