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Is It Possible To Get A Road Legal Tank?  
User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hi guys and girls,

Well i was having a conversation with someone earlier about tanks and them being road legal, is it possible? I mean like could i in theory buy a tank, get the turret gun taken off and disarmed and drive it down the road? I think that'd be the best big boy toy.

Rgds --James--


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User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The better option is to keep the gun. Nobody will ask if it's legal then.


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User currently offlineAjd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I think in the UK they are actually road legal, if you get one that'll actually fit on the road. I remember seeing a program a while back on TV about a guy who drove a bright yellow tank around London!

User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1803 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Trouble with tank is that the weight tends to damage the asphalt on the road.
That is not considering the danger of accidentally running over a car, or 25 other cars if you're drunk.



rolf
User currently offlineDon81603 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 1185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Short answer, no. Not without some serious modifications. Before you can legally drive any vehicle, it must pass a safety inspection, and since a tank has no steering box, headlights, tail lights, signals, rear view mirrors, exhaust system, seat belts, etc it would fail. On top of that, I'm pretty sure it would be too wide for normal streets, and the GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) would most definately require more than a regular driver's licence.


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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Course it is! Someone's done it.

http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article...l?in_article_id=20852&in_page_id=2

No doubt there might be a bit more of an issue of you tried it with a 50 ton Chieftain, though...



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User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1803 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

wow that is something

[Edited 2007-04-14 01:12:19]


rolf
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Don81603 (Reply 4):
since a tank has no steering box, headlights, tail lights, signals, rear view mirrors, exhaust system, seat belts, etc it would fail.

BUZZZZZZ

That is incorrect.

M1A1 Abrams is equipped with headlights, taillights, rear view mirrors, exhaust system, seat belts, better brakes than anything on the road (or off).

Leopards are similarly equipped.

Neither has turn signals IIRC.

The problem stems from the vehicles height, weight and width. It would be uncoool to have to drive all over town with a Wide Load/Oversize Load sign strapped to the front and rear of the tank, and having to obtain permits each time you wanna use it.

Just think of the effect on road rage though:



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User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Current Army Regulations for releasing US tanks to institutions require that they can not be driven. The drive shafts are cut. Even the West Point Museum can't get a tank or Bradley with an intact drive shaft. I know our Arms Curator has looked into it.

There are a few Sherman Tanks that were sold to Israel, South American Counties and the like that have made their way back to the US for restoration in private hands. But those are very few and far between and are not street legal because even with rubber shoes on the treads they tear up the road.


User currently offlineSv2008 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

It might be possible in the UK with some modification. Lights, mirrors that kind of thing,,,,,,,,,,,,,I'm sure I've seen a light tank on the road here.

User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

While not a tank, I have seen foreign makes of APC's advertised for sale in novelty catalogs before...


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User currently offlineOli80 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I seem to remember topgear doing a segment about this in the early to mid nineties. They said you could pick one up for as little as £1000 at the time. Sketchy on the details, but i'm sure they claimed it was possible.

User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Is this in your plans?



User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

What about our current interstate system? The interstates were built from Eisenhower's concept of having a road system that would help facilitate military movements in the event of a possible war at home. The interstates should be able to withstand heavy transport vehicles like tanks in such an event.

-R


User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 13):
What about our current interstate system? The interstates were built from Eisenhower's concept of having a road system that would help facilitate military movements in the event of a possible war at home. The interstates should be able to withstand heavy transport vehicles like tanks in such an event.

If the US was invaded and we needed the tanks on the highway tearing up the roads would probably fall on our list of priorities.

Until such time however, tanks have to stay off the road.

Don't you guys remember that maniac who stole a tank from the Armory in San Diego 10 years ago or so? See reply 12 That was an M-60 tank weight about 40 some tons, not even an Abrams which weighs in at 60 tons. Look at the video and the size of that thing on the road.

[Edited 2007-04-14 04:22:50]

User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 14):
Don't you guys remember that maniac who stole a tank from the Armory in San Diego 10 years ago or so? That was an M-60 tank weight about 40 some tons, not even an Abrams which weighs in at 60 tons. Look at the video and the size of that thing on the road.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYL00...9oMH8

Ummmm... Reply #12.


User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 8):
There are a few Sherman Tanks that were sold to Israel, South American Counties and the like that have made their way back to the US for restoration in private hands. But those are very few and far between and are not street legal because even with rubber shoes on the treads they tear up the road.

My uncle used to have one in south Florida. The turret was removed but it was still a lot of fun to drive. Of course we kept it in the 'glades so there weren't many issues about road legal, etc. I don't know what happened to it, I'll have to ask him the next time I see him.

Quoting Don81603 (Reply 4):
Before you can legally drive any vehicle, it must pass a safety inspection, and since a tank has no steering box, headlights, tail lights, signals, rear view mirrors, exhaust system, seat belts, etc it would fail.

Not in many US states. We have no inspections here for example.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
Neither has turn signals IIRC.

Hand signals work just fine. I think you're also missing brake lights but any asshole who tailgates an Abrams and runs into the back of it gets what he deserves IMO.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
The problem stems from the vehicles height, weight and width. It would be uncoool to have to drive all over town with a Wide Load/Oversize Load sign strapped to the front and rear of the tank, and having to obtain permits each time you wanna use it.

Come home to AL where an annual permit can be yours for about $125. Only valid during daylight hours M-F and daylight to noon on Saturday though. No Sunday drivers in tanks though, it just wouldn't be proper.



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User currently offlineWestJetYQQ From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2987 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Don81603 (Reply 4):
Before you can legally drive any vehicle, it must pass a safety inspection, and since a tank has no steering box, headlights, tail lights, signals, rear view mirrors, exhaust system, seat belts, etc it would fail. On top of that, I'm pretty sure it would be too wide for normal streets, and the GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) would most definately require more than a regular driver's licence.

Come on, Those aren't that hard to get!  Wink



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hmmm. Just shows the efflux of time. By about 1945, we were rather relieved in Newcastle upon Tyne that Vickers products would no longer be trundling down the roads on test. Those who have had tanks trundling around, will not likely be yearning for them to come back. Armoured cars remained common as part of the traffic for some time post war, no real idea when they "thinned out". Probably some still around.

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 14):
M-60 tank weight about 40 some tons

60 Tons:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m60.htm

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 14):
Abrams which weighs in at 60 tons

61 to 70 Tons (72 Tons Combat Loaded):
http://www.army.mil/fact_files_site/abrams/index.html

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 16):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
Neither has turn signals IIRC.

Hand signals work just fine. I think you're also missing brake lights but any asshole who tailgates an Abrams and runs into the back of it gets what he deserves IMO.

Abrams and Patton tanks have brake lights also. Speaking of tailgating: When we first got the Abrams in Germany back in the day, many, many television warnings to our Germans Civilian drivers there who tailgate as a hobby I think. Do NOT tailgate this tank, the exhaust will melt your car. I've seen it. Watched the paint on a Benz simply bubble. Abrams exhaust at Tactical Idle is about 1200F. It is a Turbine Jet engine afterall  silly   Wow!

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 16):
No Sunday drivers in tanks though, it just wouldn't be proper.

 rotfl 


User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1803 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 12):

what if the tank handn't been stuck... would they have called in the army to stop it?



rolf
User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 19):
Abrams exhaust at Tactical Idle is about 1200F. It is a Turbine Jet engine afterall silly

Awesome! Just curious about how the inherent high rpm of a turbine is stepped down to usable levels - I note the 'hydrokinetic transmission' but wonder if there is a cutout diagram or explanation link that you might know of. The sands of Arabia must have been murder on those turbines !


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Comorin (Reply 21):
Just curious about how the inherent high rpm of a turbine is stepped down to usable levels

The transmission is the size of a Volkswagen Beetle. The engine you could fit in your bathtub.

Quoting Comorin (Reply 21):
The sands of Arabia must have been murder on those turbines !

Talcum Powder and Turbines don't mix. Yup, the sand was/is a problem.

Don't have a link for a transmission cut out. But if you can get your hands on one of the Technical Manuals you'd be in business.


User currently offlineFoppishbum From Taiwan, joined Mar 2006, 807 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

My mom said the only car I would be safe in is a tank. . . I got into too many car accidents and surprisingly none of 'em is my fault.

It'd be sweet if I can drive a tank to school. . ."What?? You failed me? Oops, I think I just lightly bumped into your car, professor. But no worries, my car is fine."  silly 





cheers,
foppish bum



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User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 22):
Don't have a link for a transmission cut out. But if you can get your hands on one of the Technical Manuals you'd be in business.

Thanks! I'll spend a little more time Googling - hope it's not classified!

Bt the way, those tanks (1200F) would be great for clearing the snow off your driveway in ANC!


25 Post contains links ANCFlyer : http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m1.htm A couple of pictures of Eng/Trans package here.
26 Comorin : Tank you very much!
27 Baroque : Just for accuracy, talcum powder would not be much of a problem, Mohs hardness of 1. The most common mineral in desert sands is quartz, Mohs hardness
28 Miamiair : All you would need is the bumber sticker: "Horn Broke, Watch For Finger!"
29 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Don't recognize analogy when you see it apparently.
30 Baroque : Analogues work better if they are accurate.
31 ANCFlyer : A simple explanation of how fine the sand is in Iraq and Saudi and Kuwait, as opposed to say, Ft. Hood or Ft. Irwin where the Army trained before Des
32 Galapagapop : There used to be a company out in Las Vegas where you could rent out those extremly light assualt vehicles, no treads but instead tires, but they had
33 Baroque : Useful approach, that. If it is wrong, pointing that out is an irrelevance. Did you ever wonder how the bad mistake was made to assume that the fines
34 Baroque : Would have read "Useful approach, that. If it is wrong, declare it to be an irrelevance". If I had not stuffed up the editing.
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