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A Question For Cops RE: Street Signs  
User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1564 times:

When you are about to go around a curve, and you see those yellow diamond-shaped signs that show the arrow in the shape of the curve in the road and below it a small rectangular sign with a speed on it, is that a legally enforceable speed limit for the curve, or is it only a suggestion to the driver of how much they ought to slow down to take the curve safely?


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1560 times:

Suggested speed for the section of road marked with the "curve" signs. That's Alaska Law.

Interesting to note: In other parts of the country I've seen such signs recommending a curve be driven at XX mph. You can usually take it a bit faster.

Don't try that in Alaska. If the sign says "recommend 25mph" it's accurate as hell.


User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1554 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Interesting to note: In other parts of the country I've seen such signs recommending a curve be driven at XX mph. You can usually take it a bit faster.

There's a small flyover ramp off of an expressway that has a suggested speed of 25 mph. It was always fun to try to keep my speed over 40 on the way over it, which was entirely doable if there wasn't someone slowing down in front of you.



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User currently offlineFutureUALpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1540 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Suggested speed for the section of road marked with the "curve" signs. That's Alaska Law.

That is the law in California too...white signs are the enforced limits, yellow is the reccomended.



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User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1539 times:

Here's some, uh, "sign language" for you: Diamond shaped means the sign is a warning of some type. In this case, a curve in the roadway ahead. Yellow signs indicate some type of hazard exists. Speeds posted on yellow, rectangular shaped signs are suggested speeds only and, technically are not used for enforcement purposes. Probably more information than you wanted.

User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1519 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Suggested speed for the section of road marked with the "curve" signs. That's Alaska Law.

Same thing in TX.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Don't try that in Alaska. If the sign says "recommend 25mph" it's accurate as hell.

In Tx cities these signs are generally meaningless. In the country, it's deadly to ignore them.


User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1486 times:

Same in Ohio but if you crash while exceeding that speed you can be charged with reckless opp

User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1458 times:

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 2):
There's a small flyover ramp off of an expressway that has a suggested speed of 25 mph. It was always fun to try to keep my speed over 40 on the way over it,



Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 4):
Speeds posted on yellow, rectangular shaped signs are suggested speeds only a

Still useful when an idiot crashes going faster than the suggested safe speed, to make your case for an unsafe speed citation, or whatever violation (reckless, manslaughter).


User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1445 times:

Quoting FutureUALpilot (Reply 3):
That is the law in California too...white signs are the enforced limits, yellow is the reccomended.

Actually in California, IIRC, even the white sign isn't necessarially enforcable -- outside of certain areas (ie residential with homes of a certain density or 'business districts') the speed limit must be justified by an engineering survey every 5 years (and the speed limit must be set to the 80th percentile speed, otherwise the only enforceable speed limit is the prima facie speed limit (65 MPH, IIRC)

As far as I know that isn't true in Ohio. There are so many little gems like that that I remember from the California Vehicle code that I miss in Ohio.

Such as:
- In California speed traps are illegal. Included in the definition of speed trap includes "any particular section of a highway measured as to distance and with boundaries marked, designated, or otherwise determined in order that the speed of a vehicle may be calculated by securing the time it takes the vehicle to travel the known distance." (CVC 40802)
- "Every authorized emergency vehicle shall be equipped with at least one steady burning red warning lamp visible from at least 1,000 feet to the front of the vehicle to be used as provided in this code." (CVC 25252)

In California I got the impression that the laws with regard to speed were enforced for the purposes of traffic safety (e.g. the CHP will generally only stop you if you are going noticeably faster than the flow of traffic or otherwise driving in a reckless manner -- and the CHP are the only people who will stop you); in Ohio in addtion to the speed limits being generally low the laws with regard to speed seem to be enforced as more of a fundraising venture -- if the speed limit is 60 and there are 20 people doing 70, there will be 20 local PD cruisers waiting to stop them. It makes driving in Ohio so much more stressful than it needs to be.

Driving in Michigan though is so much fun -- proper speed limits and California-like speed limit enforcement make it a completely stress free experience.

/end of Ohio driving rant

Lincoln
(Still moving violation free after 7 years as a licensed driver)



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User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1412 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 7):
Still useful when an idiot crashes going faster than the suggested safe speed

Don't worry, I only ever did that when there was no other traffic on the ramp and zero precipitation. Most of the time, I did about 35, like everyone else.

By the way, anyone here driven on Interstate 280 going up the peninsula? That thing's practically an autobahn. Lots of drivers did 80 to 85 on that thing, if there was little traffic. Not me though, in part because a '94 minivan can't go that fast.  Smile



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1406 times:

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 9):

By the way, anyone here driven on Interstate 280 going up the peninsula?

I patrolled 280 (San Bruno Ave to Santa Clara ) for a period of time in the early 80's. What speed limit..if you couldn't get a couple of 100's a shift one had to be sleeping, and this was before radar.

[Edited 2007-04-16 02:29:26]

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