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Illegal Music Downloading, It's Not Legal  
User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2680 times:



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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2638 times:
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Luckily I live in Switzerland, it's legal here  duck  ... (no kidding)

OK, I buy most of my music on the iTunes store, and I feel stupid because everybody else seems to download everything for free.



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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2603 times:
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Luckily I don't download muisc.


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User currently onlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2358 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2591 times:
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Quoting Andz (Reply 2):
Luckily I don't download muisc.

I do .. but legaly via iTunes .... what else is there to do if the Album you were looking for years is sold out both on vinyl and on CD and all collectors hold tight to theirs and won't part with them? Bummer!

Mario
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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

LOL! That's funny!

Alright, gotta go check on my downloads now.  duck 

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User currently offlineEbs757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 758 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

No matter what anyone does, its not going to stop. And theres a lot more illegal things than music floating around...


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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2520 times:

If people in the music industry were under paid I would care. But when you see people making millions just for singing a song, it is kind of hard to feel bad for them.

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

Make the legal acquisition as convenient and better in quality than the unlicensed one and the problem will mostly resolve itself.

And it seems EMI has recently begun to understand that (allowing DRM-free high-quality downloads).


User currently offlineCO777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

For all those Americans out there, according to Section 107 of the Constitution:

Examples of Fair Use include: (you can download music legally )

* Quotation of excerpts in a review or criticism for purposes of illustration or comment.
* Quotation of short passages in a scholarly or technical work for illustration or clarification of the author’s observations.
* Reproduction of material for classroom use where the reproduction was unexpected and spontaneous – for example, where an article in the morning’s paper is directly relevant to that day’s class topic.
* Use in a parody of short portions of the work itself.
* A summary of an address or article, which may include quotations of short passages of the copyrighted work.
- source: http://www.copyright.com/ccc/do/viewPage?pageCode=cr10-n#fairuse

So take advantage of your Constitutional rights! Big grin


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2432 times:

I've been recording "Promotional" tracks off of the radio for decades, I only DL songs online that DJ's won't let me record when I request them. Solve problems at the source: Play requests!

These days I only DL tv shows cuz they come on when I'm out and I don't own a TiVo or a VCR.



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2427 times:

You know, if the record companies and music producers would have offered music to be downloaded for a small fee 7 years ago, the problem of downloading illegally would be half as big. But no, they had to "protect" their profits and install anti-piracy software on their CD's (sometimes hidden) when it installs itself on your computer with out you knowing, and make us buy a CD set-up the way they or the artist wants us to, instead of letting us, the consumer, decide what we want to buy. They're (record producers) the one's who have gotten themselves into the financial "crisis" they are in now, not illegal downloaders.


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User currently offlineRlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1080 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

What about this. During my teen years in the 80's I had a record collection of over 500 records. The only way to get them then was to buy them. Which I did. Over the years they migrated to my brother, sister and who knows where else for I moved away. Well, when I look on the "illegal" downloading sites. I try to recollect my collection. I have about 2300 songs in my computer. I have already paid for the songs. The artists has already got my cut. So do I have the right to load into my computer songs I have already paid for?

I think so.



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2357 times:

Quoting Rlwynn (Reply 11):
I have already paid for the songs. The artists has already got my cut. So do I have the right to load into my computer songs I have already paid for?

Not according to the record producers.

Quoting Rlwynn (Reply 11):
The only way to get them then was to buy them. Which I did. Over the years they migrated to my brother, sister and who knows where else for I moved away.

Wouldn't surprise me if passing on albums is "illegal" in the record producers eyes or dreams.

When we were growing up, maybe only half of the cassette's we had were bought, most others were just borrowed from a friend and copied, or borrowed from the library and copied. Was it illegal? Yes. Did everyone do it? Yes. Did it piss off the record producers? Of course. Did we care? No.

Fact is, technology changes, they (the record producers) missed the boat and wanted to play the bully, well know they're getting what they deserve. Personally, I hope they all go belly up real soon.



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User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2349 times:

I never pay for music , I just go to youtube and record it Big grin

User currently offlineDeltaAVL From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2323 times:

You know, if the government really thought it was that big of a deal, illegally downloading music wouldn't be that hard to stop. It seems like that one case in New York (I think..) with that young teenage girl getting sued bigtime for downloading music was the only attempt to really stop illegal downloading.

Funny vid though!



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2305 times:
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Any excuse you make ........... it's still stealing.

Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 6):
If people in the music industry were under paid I would care. But when you see people making millions just for singing a song, it is kind of hard to feel bad for them.

Yeah...that's like saying that the guys in charge of the bank who make great money justify the bank robbers.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 7):
Make the legal acquisition as convenient and better in quality than the unlicensed one and the problem will mostly resolve itself.

Oh...so if they made it easier to download then people would stop stealing? Does it make it morally acceptable to steal? Or are you just trying to appease the thieves?

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 10):
They're (record producers) the one's who have gotten themselves into the financial "crisis" they are in now, not illegal downloaders.

Yeah...and the bankers bring robbery on themselves by locking up the money....



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
Oh...so if they made it easier to download then people would stop stealing?

It wouldn't stop the stealing, but it would help reduce it.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
Oh...so if they made it easier to download then people would stop stealing? Does it make it morally acceptable to steal? Or are you just trying to appease the thieves?

Confusing a transgression of fair use regulations with the act of actually depriving another person or entity of the possession of an object is one of the reasons why people have stopped taking those clowns seriously.

Paying royalties within halfway reasonable circumstances for equally reasonable usage rights is only proper.

But since copying of information is a primary and inherent functionality of any kind of information processing equipment it may look judicially convenient but is thoroughly delusional to equate with an act of burglary or a bank robbery.

Some people are clutching at straws in trying to preserve the "good old times", but get used to it - they're not coming back.

The unwillingness to re-balance the reasonable interests of the artists and the consumers (the content brokerage industry has no extra-legal right to exist, which it constantly keeps forgetting) has given rise to the current situation and the only way forward is to find a new appropriate balance in this relationship.

Distribution is rapidly losing its value in the age of internet content delivery beyond a very low-level service functionality; And If the content brokerage industry isn't needed any more, it will simply shrink to fit its new role or vanish altogether, with few people losing sleep over it.

Gorbatchev once gave good advice to the east-german communist leaders: "Life will punish those who are getting behind the times"

The wall is missed by very few; I doubt the current content industry will fare much better at the rate they're going.

[Edited 2007-04-15 23:47:52]

User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2274 times:
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If the great new times include the loss of intellectual property rights so that clowns don't have to pay for what they want then it's not that great for anyone who expects to hold on to their property rights.

There is no reason to bargain with the people who begin to steal from you.

Elevated thinking like yours is perhaps the reason that some people in this world believe that it's ok to just take instead of paying the asking rate.

If they don't want to buy it then don't take it.......boycott the goods and hte price comes down without the coercion of the theft.



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2263 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 18):
There is no reason to bargain with the people who begin to steal from you.

There's no reason to bargain with people who dictate to you what you should and should not purchase.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2254 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 18):
There is no reason to bargain with the people who begin to steal from you.

As soon as a product arose which didn't involve punching the paying customer in the face by forcibly subjecting him or her to abusive, insulting, intrusive or even criminal treatment by the content industry it became spectacularly successful and is still in a rapid expansion: iTunes.

But of course not before the industry did their worst to block or sabotage any convenient and fair way to legally and conveniently buy usage rights for the customer.

Shortsighted rigidity in the face of unstoppable change is usually the downfall of once-powerful empires. And the content industry has done everything to be the next victim of a completely avoidable suicide.


If you have a crappy product and refuse to improve it, somebody ultimately will find a better way. Even if the better product is illegal, that will only slow down inevitable change, not stop it altogether, as much as you might hope it would.

It seems it took an external player to show the industry the way out of their self-created quagmire. Unfortunately the ancient petrified industrial structures aren't fit for survival and will fall by the wayside in either case, but key will always be to offer a good and convincing product for a fair price.

If you've got that, you don't have to worry much about the legal side of things. If you don't, even an army of lawyers can't save you from your customers deserting you.


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2250 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 20):

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User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

There’s no justification for illegally downloading songs. With yahoo unlimited I can rent as many songs as I want for six dollars a month and play them on a compatible device. Kind of like Netflix; I rent new releases but only buy a film that I must have.

User currently offlinePalladium From Indonesia, joined Apr 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

In my humble opinion regarding about illegal or legal downloading music from internet:

I don't or can't find the difference between downloading music from the net and taking your text book or magazines or
books in the library and make photo copy of them in the photocopy machine and to use it for your own needs or in the
class.

Downloading music for me is legal as long as you use it for personal use not to make another copy again and start reproduce and distribute it to make money for your self.

Unfortunately we live in a world (21st century) with a lot of new high technology stuff around.... making things easier for us
to live...from watching movies, listening to musics, chatting, etc etc.... if they want to make it a problem, they should sue the technology that are able to provide us to download and etc2,...not the users.

Blame the technology.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

Oh the great debate of our time, to steal or not to steal, that is the question.

I think Phish has the answer, make people PAY to seem them in concert, and allow the recordings to go wherever they want. Sure any asshole can say the have Phish on MP3 or the antiquated CD, but do they have the ability to say they saw Phish in concert?  no 

I say eff the music industry where it breathes. They have been overcharging us for usless crap since the begining of the 90's and it's time to see artist go back to having to earn a living by giving performances in person. Boo effing hoo. Besides, I'd like to see some executives loose their job due to the information age, not just honest working people like me.


25 Post contains images Klaus : As "illegaly" already hints at, sort of...! ...and see it all go up in a puff of virtual smoke once you're missing a payment. Legal? Sure. Good deal?
26 Post contains images Lehpron : Uh, if the impression of lack of market arises due to boycotting, the price of each item goes up because the costs of production are not going to cha
27 102IAHexpress : Dude, if you miss a six dollar payment one month, then you probably have bigger problems than listening to music.
28 Post contains images Klaus : Worrying about and maintaining the rather aggressive DRM environment required for this kind of system isn't everybody's cup of tea, especially not th
29 102IAHexpress : Those sorts of scare tactics don’t really further our discussion. In any event most people own their favorite tracks. People seem to be very satisf
30 Post contains images Klaus : You're kidding, right? It is obvious that those are the main risks (in addition to the lessor going bankrupt). Which is why iTunes flourishes while t
31 Post contains links Itsjustme : Looks like iTunes may be forced to go the subscription route now, too. At least in the UK http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...xml=/news/2007/04/14/
32 Klaus : The music labels have tried to force that on Apple right from the start. With Apple's position getting stronger and the label's position getting weak
33 Md11fan : Oh ya and limewire is legal for all of those that think it is not HEHE just thought to put that out there
34 102IAHexpress : Dude, yahoo going bankrupt? LOL! That’s not really why. For one iTunes was on the market way before yahoo unlimited. Second there are tens of milli
35 Klaus : I wouldn't bet on Yahoo surviving longer than at least parts of my musical taste already have. Several rent-based offerings have come and gone. iTune
36 NoUFO : So if you borrow a book and don't get it back, lose another one and accidentially destroy a third, you can go to a book store and steal the three boo
37 TedTAce : So could yours. The book store has been stealing from us for years, now we want to turn the tables and you call us criminal? Re-read my other replies
38 ACDC8 : The way I see it, it's not a matter of what is legal or illegal, it is simply the fact that the record producers felt they had no need to keep up with
39 Rlwynn : I do not see what you wrote has to do with what is here talked about. The artist and record company already got my money. I am just listening to it i
40 NoUFO : So? When I take care of my books, I don't need to buy another copy for quite some time - if not for the rest of my life. And then comes Shredder Kid
41 Post contains images David L : No you don't. You gave the records to someone else and then obtained a free copy. Now two people have the music but only one gave the artist their cu
42 Post contains images Dougloid : Hmmmm....I do not think I read that in the constitution. Al Gore invented the internet and he wasn't alive then. Damn, you're funny...
43 NoUFO : It's called an analogy. Analogies are used to illustrate points, to explain something which could otherwise be too difficult to understand for the pe
44 Post contains images TedTAce : Maybe not gun in hand life threatening robberies, but if someone can e-steal from a bank and a lot more then less get away with it, more power to the
45 Rlwynn : I am not stealing it. I am just using the intelectual property I already paid for.
46 Klaus : While "stealing" is a nonsensical misnomer for it, you did indeed sell the usage rights linked to the physical media when you got rid of the disks. I
47 Seb146 : from the rich. So, as stated before, we should feel sorry for these multi- millionares who don't get royalties from free downloads? Multi-millionares
48 Rlwynn : I am not really trying to make a case. I am just revealing on how I myself justify downloading some music. I did not sell anything. I moved away and m
49 Post contains images David L : And so are the people you gave the records to but they didn't pay to use it. What makes your part illegal is that you are the one left with only the
50 Klaus : Okay, I hadn't checked your earlier post again. It is not quite as clear in that case, I agree. There needs to be some reasonable limitation to the s
51 Post contains images Itsjustme : So Seb146, what you're saying is it's OK to steal, as long as it's just from rich people?
52 LOT767-300ER : Music I listen to I cant find on iTunes or yahoo or anywhere else. So it happens that I can find it on my ripped copy of Limewire Pro. Even so happen
53 Dougloid : Your entire attitude seems to be, if I can characterize it, fuck everyone who gets in my way. If it works for you, knock yourself out.
54 NoUFO : The small circle of wealthy and extremly wealthy artists will always find a way to earn plenty of money. But if you illegally download their music, y
55 Dougloid : It is most interesting to see the sort of rationalizations that people develop to ameliorate the sting of understanding deep down that what they're d
56 A332 : I guarantee a vast majority of those claiming the moral high road on illegal downloads are also users of Lime Wire and take advantage of the free down
57 NoUFO : Not me. I have downloaded a couple of videos from YouTube that are not comercially available. They are still online (which indicates that no one both
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