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Shooting At Virginia Tech - Part 2  
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4684 times:

Continued from here please:

Shooting At VA Tech (by FriendlySkies Apr 16 2007 in Non Aviation)

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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4659 times:

"one of the most disturbed student I have ever seen" His former teacher

Talked to by the VT police 2X for stalking, one of the girls had a case but didn't press charges.

SHE could have stopped this.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4653 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
SHE could have stopped this.
True, but unfair.

It's not like creepy guys have a very high percentage of going on to be mass murderers.... whole computer science departments could be arrested if they did.

[Edited 2007-04-19 00:50:10]

User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4647 times:

MSN now has a picture posted with Seung-Hui holding two guns and there is an article that states he had purchased a 22 caliber Walther over a month before the incident.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18170761/

From the picture it looks as though the gun is a Walther P22. Can someone confirm, as it is hard to tell?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18169776/?GT1=9246

http://www.tonyrogers.com/weapons/images/walther_p22_left_1200px.jpg

Here is the one that I had with a 5" barrel extnesion.

http://tir.cecaz.free.fr/la_ciotat_2002/Walther-P22-cal-22-LR.JPG

I used to own a P22 and was amazed at how fast you could reload. If you look the mag release at the bottom of the trigger guard, it is easy to explain. I could hold a mag in my left hand and when the rounds in the gun would run out, I would hit the release with my left thumb. The mag was spring released and would actuall shoot out of the bottom of the gun with help from gravity. I would grab the falling mag with my left hand (which was also holding the full mag) and in an upmotion I could slide the new mag in. This would all take a matter of one second before I could start popping again. Conceivably someone could have a
vest full of mags (just like the one in the picture) and after loading the new mag, they could drop the empty one with their left hand and grab a new one while still shooting with the right. Look at the picture and see how bulky that ammo vest is. I am sure it was full of Walther mags.

Now, I know that many in here think that 22s aren't powerful enough, but I'm pretty sure that he was able to take out so many so quickly because of this reloading technique on the P22. If he shoots off 100 rounds, he would do major damage. He wouldn't be able to hold enough mags for the 9 to hit that many anyway.


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9367 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4637 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
SHE could have stopped this.

no.



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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4633 times:

I hadn't posted about this yet because I have been so overwhelmed by what happened.

It is important for each one of us not only to pray for the families and those who are grieving, but also to examine ourselves and our own character - for in each one of us there may be dark areas which we should consider and address lest they explode into madness and rage as what happened at VT.

This is not to say that we should blame the victims. They are victims. This is not to say that we should blame our society. Our society is not perfect. Yet as responsible individuals we must consider our reactions to violence so that we do not beget further violence. We should find an appropriate outlet for our frustrations and for our human emotions so that they are either eliminated or channeled into positive actions. I believe that the people who read Cho's writings and referred him to counseling and a psychiatric facility did all that they could do, given the circumstances. Ultimately, it was his decision, and his alone, to choose the path to murder.

My thoughts and prayers go out to those who are grieving. May those who have died rest in Christ's everlasting arms, and those who mourn and are terrorized find comfort in His grace and mercy.

redngold



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4623 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 4):
no.

Yes,
If she had pressed charges, he would have been a convicted criminal and would not have legally obtained those weapons. He also would have likely been expelled and that gets him away from the campus. Is it possible he would have done something else? MAYBE, but he wouldn't have done what he did.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4618 times:

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 3):
If he shoots off 100 rounds, he would do major damage. He wouldn't be able to hold enough mags for the 9 to hit that many anyway.

The Glock 19 has a larger magazine capacity than the Walther P22. Fifteen versus ten.


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4614 times:

Quote:
The gunman who killed 32 students on a Virginia university campus sent photographs, video and writings to a US television network during his bloody massacre.

The correspondence, sent to NBC News, was time-stamped during the two hours after Cho Seung-Hui had killed two people in their dormitory, but before he slaughtered 30 more in a classroom building at Virginia Tech.

MSNBC, an affiliate of ninemsn, has announced that clips from the video will be released to the network soon.

Police said that NBC News immediately notified authorities about the messages.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=261951

I couldn't find this in the other VATech thread


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4604 times:

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 8):
I couldn't find this in the other VATech thread

The last or second to last post mentioned it I had posted one of the pics, but someone deleted it  Sad


User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4596 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 7):
The Glock 19 has a larger magazine capacity than the Walther P22. Fifteen versus ten.

Yeah, I guess conceivebly he could have enough of the Glock ammo, but I am amazed that he could have shot so many people. It made me think why someone couldn't take him down at all during that whole time. Perhaps he was always loaded?? I might be wrong, but I suspect that the Walther was the main weapon used.

But then again, in the photos he's posing with the bigger Glock like its his Johnson.

I can't get the pictures on here but anyone who is interested can see the slideshow here...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5114929/


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4583 times:

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 10):
It made me think why someone couldn't take him down at all during that whole time. Perhaps he was always loaded??

I have thought about that quite a bit.

Firstly, I don't think he was a practiced marksman. And it does in fact take time to reload a weapon. And if three/four/five stuents rushed him during that time certainly someone would get to him. Now, this is the epitome of Arm Chair QBing, but I gotta wonder. Didn't one or two of them say - hey, screw this, let's get the asshole?


User currently offlineCharlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
hey, screw this, let's get the asshole?

Someone may have tried,as time goes we'll find out more

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 6):
Yes,
If she had pressed charges, he would have been a convicted criminal and would not have legally obtained those weapons. He also would have likely been expelled and that gets him away from the campus. Is it possible he would have done something else? MAYBE, but he wouldn't have done what he did.

Sounds like there were several opportunities that were lost.


User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9367 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 6):
Yes,

sorry, but no.

slapping someone's hand does not erase intent and motive.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21626 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4555 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
Now, this is the epitome of Arm Chair QBing, but I gotta wonder. Didn't one or two of them say - hey, screw this, let's get the asshole?

You don't expect that thing at all in that kind of setting, and it would not surprise me if everyone was just scared shitless. It's easy for one to say that they would have tried to stop him, but unless you were there, I don't think it's appropriate to question the actions of the students. In all probability, it was the first time that many there had ever seen a gun, much less been shot at by one.

-Mir



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4555 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 13):
slapping someone's hand does not erase intent and motive.

You are correct in this statment, but I believe it would have shifted the last point of the triangle out of position and that would be OPPORTUNITY.

Now I have permission to re-post the poicture with the disclaimer that this is a self portrait made by the shooter. If this is not frightening, I do not know what is:



User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4546 times:
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Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
"one of the most disturbed student I have ever seen" His former teacher

Talked to by the VT police 2X for stalking, one of the girls had a case but didn't press charges.

SHE could have stopped this.

Sorry do not try to blame this on any else but the shooter!

Quoting STLGph (Reply 4):
Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
SHE could have stopped this.

no.

As much as I hate to say this I have to agree with Gavin.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9367 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4540 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 15):
and that would be OPPORTUNITY.

the opportunity would have been there.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4535 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 14):
You don't expect that thing at all in that kind of setting, and it would not surprise me if everyone was just scared shitless. It's easy for one to say that they would have tried to stop him, but unless you were there, I don't think it's appropriate to question the actions of the students. In all probability, it was the first time that many there had ever seen a gun, much less been shot at by one.

Human nature is to run and hide. There are, in fact, however, those that defy human nature. It's simply a question. And predicated with an Arm Chair Quarterbacking remark. Surely, everyone on A-Net is familiar with Arm Chair Quarterbacking . . . . happens here all the time.

Gotta wonder. Didn't anyone think "Let's get him"?


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4528 times:

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 3):
Walther P22. Can someone confirm, as it is hard to tell?

Confirmed.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 11):
Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 10):
It made me think why someone couldn't take him down at all during that whole time. Perhaps he was always loaded??

I have thought about that quite a bit.

Firstly, I don't think he was a practiced marksman. And it does in fact take time to reload a weapon. And if three/four/five stuents rushed him during that time certainly someone would get to him. Now, this is the epitome of Arm Chair QBing, but I gotta wonder. Didn't one or two of them say - hey, screw this, let's get the asshole?

I'm not slamming the cops involved, but I think was either a failure of department policy to not become involved in a situation like this until SWAT arrives or (and I sure hope this is not the case) the guys need to grow a pair. God, I wish I could have been there and been armed. Not being tied down by policy an armed and trained citizen might have been able to make a huge difference.



Edited to remove a picture some people found offensive.

[Edited 2007-04-19 02:13:08]

User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4520 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 19):
God, I wish I could have been there and been armed. Not being tied down by policy an armed and trained citizen might have been able to make a huge difference.

Just because you are "trained" to use a gun properly does not mean you know when to use it, or can keep yourself calm and collected to use it under stress. This is what leads to "friendly fire" incidents. Sorry, I don't believe most people when they say "if I had my gun there I would have stopped it."



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4519 times:
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Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
Quoting Mir (Reply 14):
You don't expect that thing at all in that kind of setting, and it would not surprise me if everyone was just scared shitless. It's easy for one to say that they would have tried to stop him, but unless you were there, I don't think it's appropriate to question the actions of the students. In all probability, it was the first time that many there had ever seen a gun, much less been shot at by one.

Human nature is to run and hide. There are, in fact, however, those that defy human nature. It's simply a question. And predicated with an Arm Chair Quarterbacking remark. Surely, everyone on A-Net is familiar with Arm Chair Quarterbacking . . . . happens here all the time.

Gotta wonder. Didn't anyone think "Let's get him"?

Well let me give my side of this, having been on the side of a gun pointed at my head. The first thing that goes through it is surviving and doing what your told. Having been in a bank robbery I can tell you this, it happens so fast and it is almost surreal that you can not believe that,

a. it is happening
and
b. are you seeing what you think you are seeing!

The shock of it literally froze me in my tracks and still do not remember getting on the ground.

So you can say or think what you might do if you find yourself in that kind of situation, though until you do, and hopefully you never will, you have no way of knowing how you will react.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4514 times:

Quoting Redngold (Reply 20):
Just because you are "trained" to use a gun properly does not mean you know when to use it, or can keep yourself calm and collected to use it under stress.

It goes along with the proper training. Being trained to properly use a firearm entails a helluva lot more than just learning how to stand there and squeeze a trigger and I had 120 hours of advanced training in the use of a firearm, judicious use of deadly force, combat mindset, etc. last year alone.

Quoting Redngold (Reply 20):
Sorry, I don't believe most people when they say "if I had my gun there I would have stopped it."

Sorry you don't believe it. You are just uninformed about some of us who carry concealed handguns in the real world.

Edit: BTW, I never said "if I had my gun I would have stopped it", I said "an armed and trained citizen might have been able to make a huge difference."

[Edited 2007-04-19 01:52:02]

User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4510 times:
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I'm not sure if this has already been posted, but the play he wrote was one of the most disturbing things i've read in a long time.
Richard McBeef, it's titled, on ironically, the smoking gun website
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0417071vtech1.html



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4502 times:
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Queso the photos you included are crass to say the very least. Mom always said "Don't add salt to the wound" and "There is a time and place for everything" This is neither!


You can cut the irony with a knife
25 ANCFlyer : I believe I said that . . . .twice. And I'm familiar with having a gun pointed at me . . . . both my chosen professions have afforded me that opportu
26 Queso : It's called tachypsychia and it's completely normal. You probably also had problems sleeping for one or two weeks afterward, appetite disturbances fo
27 Coz : And if you were an armed citizen, what exactly prevents the police from mistaking you as the gunman?
28 Redngold : We have now reached the level of absurdity. Earlier today, NBC News officials received a package of photographs, a video and a manuscript from Cho whi
29 Queso : Nothing worse than what you would see on network TV.
30 Luv2fly : Like I said there is a time and place for everything, the dead have not even been buried yet and you chose to get out your soapbox!
31 Queso : Knowing what to do with the gun when the police arrive is also a part of being properly trained. I will not give instructions here because it's not t
32 Jetjack74 : I'm reminded of the movie Toy Soldiers, where terrorists take over a private school and hold the school hostage for ransome, and a few screwball(port
33 Queso : I very much disagree with your opinion, but I respect it nonetheless. I have removed the picture I think you found offensive from my post in the inte
34 Luv2fly : Well even though the other one is less offensive it is still offensive considering the timing of the crimes and the fact that the victims have not eve
35 TedTAce : Fed by a media whore gunman. The coverage up to this point has been mostly respectful. Giving this asshole the spotlight he's obviously seeking is st
36 Mir : Of course. And my answer would be that perhaps there weren't any who defy human nature there that day. Nothing wrong with that. Or maybe some did try
37 Queso : You just can't please some people, I should have known to not even try to be civil and respectful with you. What is written on the remaining pic is n
38 Luv2fly : What I fend offensive is you using this tragedy to further your gun agenda and showing no respects for the dead victims by doing this less then 48 ho
39 Jetjack74 : Very good point. A sociopathic obsession with "getting even" or "settling scores" with people he probably didn't even know
40 Queso : As have I, thus the reason I removed the picture I thought you judged offensive. I'm not pushing an agenda in this thread, I just wish something coul
41 ANCFlyer : And that answers my question. Simple as that really. I'm not pointing fingers or assessing liability here, it's a legit question. Did anyone think -
42 LTBEWR : One can criticise the posting of the pictures, and some of the film made by Cho and apparently sent to NBC between his alleged killings, but to not po
43 Luv2fly : What you are doing my posting that photo is the same as Fred Phelps does at every service person funeral, he uses a senseless tragedy to further his
44 MDorBust : You say this as if there is something wrong with the NRA. Please, do tell. In another thread.
45 Mir : L-188 posted this in the last thread, and I feel it deserves a response: Two years ago the Virigina Legislature shot down HB-1572. That bill would hav
46 Queso : Is it really outrageous to deny people the right to posess the means to defend themselves from being killed?
47 TedTAce : Without 'all' the video and his writings (and even then) it will be impossible to tell. Allegedly he was very non-linear and nonsensical. On what has
48 Bezoar : I believe his mind was rebelling against rationality. His response to his grievances was neither anti-Christian, Christian, or anything else BUT dera
49 QueenofDaSkies : Disturbing nonetheless however my only question is, how is it that someone with a history of mental problems was allowed to purchase TWO guns within a
50 Post contains links MDorBust : Please, expound your position... Second Amendment: Should It Be Abolished? (by RootsAir Apr 17 2007 in Non Aviation) A Change In Gun Ownership Positi
51 TedTAce : There is no law against anyone being baker acted from owning a firearm. This might be the only legal thing I see comming out of this that's worth a s
52 N229NW : That seems grossly unfair. Someone sends you a creepy IM. You report it to the police. He stops stalking you. You let it go. Suddenly you are respons
53 Mir : The US may be the world capital for school shootings, but they are still extremely rare. Like I mentioned above, we don't know how many heat-of-the-m
54 Post contains links L-188 : Great, not only did this ass take 32 lives and put my gun rights at serious risk, but now he has totally ruined Lara Croft for me. You be the judge.
55 QueenofDaSkies : thorough background checks which means that your local gun shop owners would not be able to sell guns. In other words, make guns a lot more controlle
56 L-188 : Actually every pawn shop that I have seen selling weapons has had a FFL and runs the federally mandated background check. I am real positive that the
57 RJdxer : Itsjustme said in previous thread, You simply use every means at your disposal. I heard a DJ from the campus radio station interviewed on KFI radio ye
58 Post contains images TedTAce : now you are just being irrational. If it was PRACTICAL I would agree with you, but there is no way that legal gun owners will EVER give up their weap
59 L-188 : RJdxer. I have a question The dorm shoots was originally reports as a murder/sucide. . Why didn't the cops start getting really worried they had some
60 Post contains links Queso : You're merely assuming something like that would happen. 260,000 Texans are concealed handgun licensees and statistics prove that if any of them have
61 Jetjack74 : Angelina Jolie ruined it for me with her 2 heads-squashed-together face Enough shootings? That's your opinio, not the majority of Americans. Cars can
62 Post contains images L-188 : You can see his resemblence to her in that photo then
63 Aaron747 : One of the most annoying things I've come across in all this was a CNN interview with the Roanake, VA gun shop owner who sold the Glock to Cho. He rep
64 Post contains links and images Queso : Oh, and let me make one more statement. For those who were concerned about the pics I posted earlier in the thread (Luv2fly), both the one that is cur
65 Post contains links Klima : There is this story, thankfully. http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/17/vtech.closecall/index.html I thought I remembered hearing that the Jewish teacher w
66 L-188 : That's unfortunate but not unexpected. Oh, BTW falsifying a BATF is another law our perp broke.
67 Aa757first : Or he would have gotten more pissed off, gotten the weapons illegally, got on campus (the campuses I've seen - it isn't too hard to do so) and done t
68 Post contains images TedTAce : Beautiful
69 Falcon84 : Agree 100% Very unfair. That's Monday-morning Quarterbacking of the worst kind, Ted. God, but you need some serious help. There is. They've become as
70 OPNLguy : What I find astonishing is why NBC chose to air photos and stills from Cho's mailing to them, and share them with other media outlets. Yeah, I know th
71 ANCFlyer : You have a point. Here's my counterpoint. Perhaps, in the future, maybe tomorrow, maybe five ears from now, there'll be another LooneyToons running a
72 767Lover : What worries me is that there is so much emotion riding on this, and so much "why" and "what can we do to prevent this from happening again" that I'm
73 Itsjustme : Nah, not trying to make anyone the scapegoat. There's only one person responsible for what happened and he was at least kind enough to put a bullet i
74 Post contains images OPNLguy : Thanks. My counter-counterpoint: The issues/lessons of observing, reporting, and acting upon aberrant behavior are indeed important ones, but, that s
75 Aaron747 : Point well taken. But it's possible to air this kind of thing once and then let the discussion go from there rather than the incessant replay upon re
76 USFlyer MSP : Nikki Giovanni was one of my mom's roommates in college at Fisk University in Nashville. She is one of the most bad ass women I have ever met in my li
77 Mika : Completely agree. Where the hell is this world going? There's a couple of infamous videos made by Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold as well (the Columbin
78 RJdxer : I have to wonder how many "initial" reports a police officer recieves turn out to be something totally different when they arrive on the scene? And a
79 Jetjack74 : Well take comfort in the fact that the families scheduled to appear on NBC's Today Show, abruptly cancelled in protest of NBC for airing the videos.
80 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Absolutely. Remember, my friend, we're talking about the US Media here . . . . that should provide your answer.
81 Post contains images KaiGywer : Got this through my company email this morning. Companywide orange/maroon day.
82 AGM100 : Wow ,, saw the statement and pics released by this guy.. I have seen some shit in my day , but this is one weird scene. He definatly looks like a new
83 Jaysit : I don't see how they've immortalized him in a good light. There wasn't any glorification in the news reports. They made him out to be the insane, dee
84 LTBEWR : I notice that over the course of day on Thursday that there was a sharp turn away from showing Cho's films and pictures probably due to the way turned
85 767Lover : I apologize if this has already been discussed, but was there any connection between this kid and the bomb threats of last Friday at VT?
86 RIXrat : Let's see, campus cops know about the kid. Shrinks know about the kid. School officials know about the kid. Fellow students know about the kid. Everyb
87 Post contains links and images Allstarflyer :    Maybe could have stopped it (like he later clarified).    Sorry, I disagree - this is an over-medicated society as it is, and I've had persona
88 Queso : I need serious help because I wish I could have been there to try to save lives? I need help because I'm not a coward? WTF? Once again, you are being
89 Itsjustme : Yes. Police found bomb threats scrawled on notes in Cho's room in Virginia Tech's Harper Hall. The police have surmised Cho made the threats in order
90 Graphic : So many people are coming out to the media with stories of this kid being mentally disturbed, very angry, depressed, and a shut in with many social tr
91 L-188 : I am not saying that the campus could have been locked down based on that info. But I am saying is that somebody in those two hours should have figur
92 Graphic : Most of the time?
93 LAXspotter : You're right, this guy obviosuly was troubled because he was picked on, felt left out because people excluded him, and he had enough of it. Someone s
94 767Lover : I thought people did step in and that he had been sent to a mental health facility for evaluation. Look, I understand how horrific this is and the te
95 Post contains images ORFflyer : He had been identified as needing help. And he had been sent to get that help. I'm not picking on any of the posters I quoted above, as their comment
96 Allstarflyer : Just to expand a bit on this, I think the best thing for these kids to do is to get back in the classroom next week and get their minds back into the
97 Post contains links RJdxer : Agreed. Which leads back to a point that ANC made quite some time ago and I have wondered about as well. This was one guy. He had to stop and reload.
98 Mika : Ditto. Ditto.
99 StealthZ : The folks on Flight 93 from all accounts had some considerable time and the counsel of several phone conversations to take in the situation. From wha
100 Post contains links and images Allstarflyer : I don't know where to post this, but thought it relevant. http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/20/columbine.anniv.ap/index.html In this article, we read that
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