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Americans And Manual Gear/stick Shift  
User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5215 times:

OK I've starting having driving lessons and been talking to a few American friends and was shocked that none of them can drive a car with manual gears, they all just went straight into automatics. It just seems odd cause it only took me a couple of lessons to get used to a clutch and gears but they haven't even tried it. So if anyone has any answers greatly appreciated. Thanks

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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5205 times:

I had to learn on a manual. My parents wouldn't let me get my license otherwise. Love and prefer manual. You have more control over the vehicle that way.

I also find that a lot of my friends don;t know how to drive a manual vehicle. Kind of funny.



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User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 1817 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5193 times:

Quoting 1stfl94 (Thread starter):
So if anyone has any answers greatly appreciated.

It's a cultural thing. They have big petrol autos, here it's small manual diesels.

Max oversimplification, but there's no need to look further into it.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5190 times:

I had manual shift in the last three trucks I owned. Not in the one I have now. In fact, it's rather difficult to find a BAFDT with a manual tranny. And I looked. I prefer them actually - especially since I bought this truck as a tow vehicle for the camper.

I was told by the local dealer he could order one, but didn't understand why I preferred it over the ease of an Automatic.

I think it comes down to more of the "Lazy American" syndrome. Faster, cheaper, quicker, easier . . . blah, blah.


User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5183 times:

I chose an automatic for the Element because I thought it would make it easier to sell in the future. Most of my cars, though, have been manual. Nothing feels as good as a VW 5-speed stick shift.


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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7772 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5183 times:

Well considering that automatic equipped cars have out sold manual equipped cars for the better part of 50 years it isn't shocking that so few Americans can drive a manual. I never learned simply because we never had a car in the family to learn on. And I never had any friends kind, or brave enough, to let me behind the wheels of their cars to learn. (it wasn't like either of those cars were priceless treasures).

TBH I don't think driving a manual is all that difficult, though for some it seems a challenge to do it well. I had one former roomie/friend who was just awful shifting, I felt sorry for the transmission.



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User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1984 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5163 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
I think it comes down to more of the "Lazy American" syndrome. Faster, cheaper, quicker, easier . . . blah, blah.

 checkmark  I think this is exactly the problem. I am going to add Canada in here as well. I know people with the attitude that why should I shift when I can get something to shift for me. Personally I love a standard and as far as I see it there is not a chance that I would be found buying a car with an automatic tranny.



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User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5163 times:

I'm not sure why Americans prefer automatics over manuals. It could be that an automatic allows you to multi-task better. Why shift when you can be talking on your cell phone, eating, putting on makeup, or shaving? I know that a lot of people have issues learning how to drive a stick but once you get the hang of it it's not hard and you don't really forget. I sometimes still reach for the clutch when driving an automatic with a center console gear selector. I too prefer a manual.

On a related note. Why do European drivers rev their engines to redline before shifting to the next gear? I noticed this while in Scandinavia and when a Swedish girl once drove my Subaru here in the states. I thought she was going to throw a rod through the crankcase. She was going 65 down the interstate on third gear!

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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5160 times:
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I did my license on a manual car "just because" - nobody even thought of something else. Then, a few years later, I tried an automatic: now I'm only buying automatics, and there's no turning back, ever.

As JJJ says, it's a cultural thing. Everyone over here thinks I'm totally crazy and that automatics are for "old people". Yeah right, try driving an Audi or VW with the double-clutch DSG sequential automatic ...  checkeredflag 

Whenever I try to explain how comfortable an automatic is (you don't have to press that clutch, no gear changing when you don't feel like it, etc), the usual answer is "yes but nobody wants an automatic, really, period". Not even those few soccer moms I talk to see the point.

I mean, I can understand someone who just loves that gear lever and the clutch, but that's a different issue. For me, an automatic can be as sporty as a manual, or even more, if you pick the right brand. And if your purpose is just to get around (as in "the car must carry me from A to B, I don't care about the rest") I really don't see the point in having to mess around with gear lever and clutch, when we're in 2007 and some electronic gizmo can take care of it. Otherwise, according to that very same reasoning, let's remove ABS and electronic traction control from cars as well

[rant]
If it were for me, I would outlaw manual transmissions for all those who are unable to drive them. It happens too many times that some blond 18-year-old chick (sorry girls) stalls the engine because she is unable to figure the right amount of accelerator and clutch pedal force!
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[Edited 2007-04-23 20:34:42]


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User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5157 times:

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 7):
On a related note. Why do European drivers rev their engines to redline before shifting to the next gear? I noticed this while in Scandinavia and when a Swedish girl once drove my Subaru here in the states. I thought she was going to throw a rod through the crankcase. She was going 65 down the interstate on third gear!

That just depends on how good the driver is. Also depends on the car, the first car I learnt was a diesel Mazda which needed gear changing at about 1,500 revs whereas I'm now in Fiesta which goes up to 3,000 before demanding a change.


User currently offlineRIHNOSAUR From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 362 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5146 times:

Let me just start by saying

I love Manual transmission. And it is sometimes frustrating because every time I have bought a car I want a manual.....but it is very hard to find them. Or at least here in the US, manuals are definitely a specialty...the standard is to drive an Automatic.
People say.."wow man you drive a stick.." like if that where some really hard thing to do.

However, there are advantages..when I was in college and people wanted to borrow my car....i would give them the keys....5 min later ..they would come back and say...
oh man ..I can't drive a manual...!!
So no one really wanted to borrow my car...


another added bonus:
you can start the car by rolling it (if your battery is dead) and starting it.

Personally i find automatic cars..boring..sort of like driving a go cart. This is why just recently when i bought car..I had to wait an extra week for the dealership to get hold of a manual for me. They said...."man why did you make it so difficult for us..."

hahaha! Big grin  Big grin



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User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5138 times:

Quoting RIHNOSAUR (Reply 10):
People say.."wow man you drive a stick.." like if that where some really hard thing to do

Yeah that's what I really don't get, why people find it so hard. I only know two people close to me who can't use a manual and both tried.


User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5115 times:

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 5):
Well considering that automatic equipped cars have out sold manual equipped cars for the better part of 50 years it isn't shocking that so few Americans can drive a manual. I never learned simply because we never had a car in the family to learn on. And I never had any friends kind, or brave enough, to let me behind the wheels of their cars to learn. (it wasn't like either of those cars were priceless treasures).

Same thing here. I'd love to learn, but none of my family has a manual, and my friends who do won't let me near it (again, they all drive heaps of crap that wouldn't be missed...). I've only driven a manual once, it was a 5-speed New Beetle. I was proud that I got it going on my first try, but of course stalled it five times in a row at the first stop sign.  Wink


User currently offlineRIHNOSAUR From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 362 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5103 times:

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 11):
Yeah that's what I really don't get, why people find it so hard

if you think about it, i t actually IS harder to drive...better yet , there is a much harder learning curve for a manual than for an automatic. So It is my opinion that the reason why people find it harder is becasue it takes a little longer and a bit more effort to learn. In general in the US, people are inpatient and want things right now with minimal effort, which is why learning a manual is just too time consuming.

other reasons IMO why they are not popular is because:

1. You cannot eat drink talk on the cell and drive at the same time
2. Too much effort during driving
3. Marketing in the US has always favored the automatic IMO


I would also like to add the fact that it is my impression that reliability wise and robustness, the manual transmission is somewhat superior than an automatic.
OK yes you need to change the clutch every once in a while, but that is a wear condition not a malfunction. I have had several old cars (until recently) and compared to identical cars, but with auto transmission in them, I can say that most manual transmissions will outlast the automatic one. It makes sense to me, there are less moving parts in a manual and in general it is a far simpler system thus less stuff to brake down.

This is all my personal impression though.

cheers



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User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 1817 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5085 times:

Quoting RIHNOSAUR (Reply 13):
1. You cannot eat drink talk on the cell and drive at the same time

...for which you can get a good fine and some points off your license in most countries in Europe and many other countries (like Kuwait, which also favours auto trannies).


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5070 times:

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 8):
now I'm only buying automatics, and there's no turning back, ever.

 checkmark 

I agree 100%!

I learnt to drive on both manual and automatic, I drove cars with manual transmission for approx. 10 years and I still drive a car with manual trasission most of the times. You guys know what? Yes, manual transmission sucks big time! I clearly prefer automatic, today's automatic transmissions are very good (especially in Audi and VW cars),

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 8):
Yeah right, try driving an Audi or VW with the double-clutch DSG sequential automatic ...  checkeredflag 

I agree again!

The Audi A8's 6-speed tiptronic is a masterpiece, it recognizes if you want to drive sporty or rather relaxing. The same for the VW Golf's tiptronic, a friend has the 100hp TDI model and it performs very good with the automatic. The aforementioned tiptronics are also very economical, they almost never switch to the first gear, only when you are below ~5 kph.

Patrick


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5052 times:

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 7):
On a related note. Why do European drivers rev their engines to redline before shifting to the next gear? I noticed this while in Scandinavia and when a Swedish girl once drove my Subaru here in the states. I thought she was going to throw a rod through the crankcase. She was going 65 down the interstate on third gear!

That might depend on the car. I suspect VVT engines are more commonplace over here than in the States, and if you change gear before hitting the redline, well...that just takes all the fun away.  Wink



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User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5048 times:

I always have at least two cars. My daily driver is always an auto where as my sports car is a manual. I like manuals better for driving aggressively. My dad is getting an Austin Martin with the paddles on the steering wheel. I have yet to try that but it sounds like a good idea.

User currently offlineRIHNOSAUR From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 362 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5043 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 15):
The Audi A8's 6-speed tiptronic is a masterpiece, it recognizes if you want to drive sporty or rather relaxing. The same for the VW Golf's tiptronic, a friend has the 100hp TDI model and it performs very good with the automatic.

thats all good fine and dandy .....but for those of us not seeking to get the sportiest, and relatively more expensive models that are out there...if you want more fun in a relatively cheap car.....the manual is the way to go.
what i mean is...:
what would you prefer, a automatic Toyota corolla or a manual...an automatic Honda civic or a manual Honda civic...

you have to take into account what you pay also....so basically yeah there are these killer auto transmissions out there...but they also cost much more and usually come in the more expensive models...

In the states the manual version of the car (if available) is usually $1000-2000 cheaper than the auto conterpart.

cheers



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User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5043 times:

I personally learned to drive in an automatic, took the test in one, my current car is an automatic. It's just simple, no thinking required when driving, multitasking is easier, ect.

My parents made me learn to drive stick about a year after getting my license, at the time I didn't want to. I mastered our manual Nissan pickup from the early 80's, the thing was so horribly hard to drive and shift but it was fun. Nowadays I like driving stick, but have gotten rusty at it since I never do. My parents made me learn in case of an emergency where I had to drive someone else's car to the hospital or something and it happened to be stick. After driving our crappy truck every manual vehicle I've driven since has been easy.

Anyway, just my little learning to drive story.


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5026 times:

Quoting RIHNOSAUR (Reply 18):
what would you prefer, a automatic Toyota corolla or a manual...an automatic Honda civic or a manual Honda civic...

Difficult to answer, it depends on the HP of the car and the performance of the transmissions, I would definitely test drive both manual and automatic.

Quoting RIHNOSAUR (Reply 18):
In the states the manual version of the car (if available) is usually $1000-2000 cheaper than the auto conterpart.

Same here, automatic is usually 1000-2000 EUR more expensive (depends on the model). Yes, it is expensive but a proper automatic is definitely worth the money IMO.

Patrick


User currently offlineRobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4532 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4981 times:

Give me manual transmission anytime. Because he has been operated on his right arm several times, my father-in-law drives an automatic. I have driven his car a few times, and well it is kind of creepy, weird not having to do anything.

No, I like to drive my cars properly, not just steer them. Twenty-six years' driving experience and I doubt very much if I'll ever switch to an automatic.

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User currently offlineFreedom4all From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 1 day ago) and read 4931 times:
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I recently purchased a brand new car, i ordered a 5 speed, i could not belive how hard it was to find, my dealer had to order the car from Conn. i live in NY. I prefer to dive stick, i love to drive and it impoves the experence and makes it more fun, plus its easier to spin the wheels!!  Big grin


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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 4916 times:

Quoting Dl757md (Reply 7):
Why shift when you can be talking on your cell phone

Ever try doing both at the same time? It's not easy.

All the drivers on my family can drive manual. Three of our vehicles have manuals, and my mom's van is automatic because you can't get a minivan with a manual in America.
I learned on my dad's 4Runner, which is difficult because it weighs 2 tons.


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 4897 times:

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 8):
I did my license on a manual car "just because" - nobody even thought of something else. Then, a few years later, I tried an automatic: now I'm only buying automatics, and there's no turning back, ever.

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Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 15):


I agree 100%!

I learnt to drive on both manual and automatic, I drove cars with manual transmission for approx. 10 years and I still drive a car with manual trasission most of the times. You guys know what? Yes, manual transmission sucks big time! I clearly prefer automatic, today's automatic transmissions are very good (especially in Audi and VW cars),

 checkmark 

Quoting RIHNOSAUR (Reply 18):
thats all good fine and dandy .....but for those of us not seeking to get the sportiest, and relatively more expensive models that are out there...if you want more fun in a relatively cheap car.....the manual is the way to go.
what i mean is...:
what would you prefer, a automatic Toyota corolla or a manual...an automatic Honda civic or a manual Honda civic...

Automatic. Why would you need a manual Corolla or Civic? Both of them are not sporty nor fast nor can you drive agressively in them.

I learned to drive on a manual first (Ford Sierra 1.6L) before legal age, then legally on automatic in the USA on a Ford Thunderbird.

Both of my cars are automatic, and the next one will be auto too. Ill just drive manual when Im in Europe and need to drive someones car or a friends car here. I really dont worry about 1-2mpg (and todays automatics are very efficient compared to ones last decade and before) as both of my cars have big engines to begin with and I make enough money to pay for gas. No need for me to be driving a stick in Chicago or here in Florida.

There are very few cars in the American market that I can think of that really warrant a manual, off the top of my head the S2000, GTO, CTS-V, Corvette, Viper, M3, M5, AMG, Firebird WS6, Supra, STi, 911 and Evo (+ pickups for towing) lead the list...


25 Post contains images ZBBYLW : The funny thing is... the M5 does not come with a Standard anymore.... its a shame, instead you have to settle on those flappy things Or what I would
26 AndesSMF : IIRC, only 5% of cars sold in the US now are manual transmission. IIRC, because manuals are non-standard (or unavailable in most cars), having manual
27 Post contains images Walter747 : I'm learning how to drive a manual. It's quite difficult to get just the right balance of gas and klutch. Switching gears while moving is easier . Hah
28 Fumanchewd : I learned to drive in a 1963 Willy's Jeep pick up. Manual three gears with no syncros. If you didn't hit the gear at the perfect rpms it would give yo
29 Halls120 : Same here. I currently drive an Acura TL with a 6-speed MT. Love it, wouldn't think of driving anything else.
30 PHLBOS : Once upon a time, many American models offered both manual and automatic transmissioned cars on even large cars. By the 1960s, with a few exceptions,
31 Jamincan : I've only ever driven with a manual transmission, except once when I was driving a friend home in his car. I can appreciate that it can be more conven
32 SJCRRPAX : I consider shifting to be a trivial skill at best, and I am amused by Europeans who seem to think they have mastered a skill similar to being a concer
33 FlyDeltaJets87 : The first car I had (1991 Honda Accord my parents passed down to me when I turned 16) was a manual and the Nissan Frontier I drive now is a manual. My
34 ZBBYLW : WOW... that is certainly a rare combination...How hard was that to get? I would say teach him how to drive a stick, it is the best way to go for sure
35 UALPHLCS : My very first car was a manual. I grew to love it. I've wanted to get one again ever since. But I've settled for boring Ford Taurus' twice. I swear th
36 Jetjack74 : I learned on a manual shift because it was going to be my car. I had an automatic for awhile but now back to driving a manual again.
37 Dl757md : Couldn't agree more when driving aggressively. But cruising at a constant speed down the interstate at redline in third gear is just annoying not to
38 Post contains images A346Dude : I wish I could drive a stick, but I have only driven automatics so far so I haven't learned how to. The first car I buy will definitely be a manual. I
39 Post contains links SJCRRPAX : Your choice of cars will start to get limited. For example, I read somewhere that General Motors is sitting on a Hybrid design that will go 100+ mile
40 San747 : I learned to drive a manual too. The only thing I ever found difficult about it is being stopped on an upward slope. The rollback that you get before
41 ANITIX87 : I wanted to learn on a manual. To avoid confusion, I live in the USA, despite the flag next to my name. That was my only condition for my new car. I
42 Halls120 : Well, to get the 6 speed MT in the color I wanted, I had to purchase the car in New York, and I live in Virginia.
43 MCOflyer : I can tell some stories about doing this. I want a manual for fun driving. In the next year, I will get one and not be automatic pussy. I do have a S
44 Post contains images Fumanchewd : Know how to put a classic Bug in reverse? And even more important than knowing how, could you actually do it?
45 Post contains images TRVYYZ : I used manual for 12 years (mainly in India) and Automatic for four years here in Canada. In Indian traffic, manual is actually an unpaid labour work.
46 LOT767-300ER : Hopefully they will not get rid of spelling lessons in American schools.....
47 Post contains images Halls120 : teach spelling in American schools? That was abandoned years ago, along with lessons on proper grammar.
48 Post contains images Fumanchewd : Ha, ha! Take that and shove a comma Lot!
49 SJCRRPAX : I've always been told that if you misspell a word you should be consistent, which I was but the spell check for some reason corrected the spelling an
50 LTBEWR : Several differences between the USA and Europe may make the strong preference of auto vs. stick. Gas is much cheaper in the USA, allowing use of large
51 JAGflyer : I can do manual (self taught) but my parents cars are auto and they cant drive manual so if I buy a car while living at home it has to be automatic. O
52 ZBBYLW : While the 997 Turbo with the auto can be faster, I am sure most of the people who buy it .... will buy stick... if they are going to buy a 997 turbo,
53 BHMBAGLOCK : Twenty one years of driving and I've never owned an automatic. It's tougher every time though to get the standard. I miss the days when you could get
54 SJCRRPAX : Yes, I think sometimes it's difficult to get an Automatic, another reason I think I will get a car with a stick so my son can drive in Europe.
55 Flight152 : Except it does; you can choose either 6-speed or SMG. The SMG was only around for the 2006 model year.
56 Post contains images ManuCH : See? That's what I don't understand, and it seems to be the general European opinion. People are almost ashamed of driving a manual for some reason..
57 N1120A : They are relatively plentiful in CA. Perhaps you should skip Cal Worthington and his dog Spot next time? They are still junk compared to a true manua
58 ManuCH : Have you tried one of them at least? The smoothness of how they switch gears can't be beaten at that price category (if it weren't for the engine sou
59 Post contains images JetMech : I had never driven a manual car until I got my first job in the service department of a car dealership. I soon learnt to drive "stick"courtesy of cust
60 Fumanchewd : I rented a Citroen in Madrid about 5 years ago and it was automatic. I didn't even request it. It only had 80 miles when I took it out.
61 PHLBOS : Once upon at time, the Taurus did offer a manual (2.5L 4cyl); the MT5 model from 1986 to 1989. ManuCH, You may want to look again at FlyDeltaJets87's
62 Post contains images ManuCH : Yup, I've seen it. Probably my reply was badly formulated: what I meant was that FlyDeltaJets87's opinion reflects most European's opinion (even if h
63 Kay : Here in Austria, it's been such a long while since I saw an automatic car! Automatics have gotten better and better with the years. Their energy consu
64 Post contains images QueenofDaSkies : hunni, I have enough trouble as is with automatic.....forget about manual. Also, I got the cell on one hand sooo I need the other to hold the steerin
65 1stfl94 : Yeah I've heard, you need the other hand for the phone/make up/cigarette/joint/drink/meal.
66 MainMAN : It's just a difference in received culture (not that it's cultural in the strictest sense of the word). Nothing to do with Americans being lazy, becau
67 Paulc : In the UK if you learn on an automatic you can only drive an automatic but if you learn on a manual you can drive an auto without any more lessons or
68 Post contains images RIHNOSAUR : It is not a straight forward one but is not as rare as you might think. I myself had to go through some waiting time before they found the car with t
69 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : English is not my first language. Let me add to the fact that I got a nice 36/36 on the English comprehension part of the ACT. I don't understand why
70 Post contains images Superfly : On several occasions, I've driven a manual U-Haul truck, fully loaded here in San Francisco. Talk about a real driving challenge. I learned how to dr
71 ZBBYLW : Yes they have an SMG, however it is missing the all important part of a clutch... My neighbour has an M6 after trading in his 996 C4S (Better IMO the
72 Post contains images ManuCH : I guess this argument and the opposite one will go on forever. For some people, stick shifting is "driving the car", for others (like me) it makes th
73 Flight152 : Did you read what I wrote? They have the SMG OR 6-speed manual available for the M5; check BMWs website. The 6-speed manual obviously has a clutch.
74 ZBBYLW : HAHA fair enough... Really wow, I was under the impression Porsche never really sold alot of automatics... have you taken one for a spin... how do yo
75 DL021 : All of my personal vehicles since my 1975 Oldsmobile Delta 88 have been manual transmission cars (well, there was that Saturn I bought with an auto fo
76 N1120A : Incorrect. It was actually due to US customer demand of all things that BMW brought the stick back for 2007. They couldn't use the 7-speed gearbox fr
77 Sabena332 : And the Cayenne's automatic transmission is made by VW. The Cayenne is partly produced in the VW plant in Bratislava/Slovakia (together with the Audi
78 N1120A : If hell froze over and I ever actually did buy an SUV, I would buy the twin turbo diesel Touareg.
79 Post contains images Sabena332 : It looks like I will drive a Touareg (with the V6 FSI engine and 280hp) very soon. My parents want to get rid of the Audi A6 and get a VW Touareg ins
80 N1120A : Viel gluck zu benzin kaufen.
81 Post contains images Sabena332 : No worries about that, my father's company pays the fuel for our three cars (two of them are officially company cars). It is actually amazing that SU
82 ShyFlyer : I figure if I plunk down a pretty penny on a machine, it should do some work for me, rather than the other way around. Now that's just insulting.
83 Post contains images ManuCH : Unfortunately I haven't, but I'd love to. Porsche drivers somehow don't like to hand over their car keys to other people (I don't even hand my VW Gol
84 N1120A : Unless you get a hybrid or diesel.
85 Post contains images ManuCH : Point taken for the hybrid. The diesel isn't really much more economic, at least in Switzerland. Yes, it has a lower fuel consumption (very relative,
86 Sv2008 : Hybrids are always going to be automatic because of their design........They have to combine a transmission with an engine and motors. But I'm not su
87 BHMBAGLOCK : ....... and you're wrong. I drive a hybrid with a manual transmission. At least one other person in this thread(N1120A) has been in the car and can b
88 Fumanchewd : I had the opportunity to drive an automatic Ferrari 456M-GTA for a whopping total of about 200 yards. I don't know about the idea of spending that muc
89 SJCRRPAX : That was probably an earlier Civic or an Accord which never turns off the gas engine, the electric is there only for boost. I heard somewhere that Ho
90 Mham001 : Actually both those cars can be quite fun wringing them out with a clutch. A car doesn't need 300 hp to be fun, in fact sometimes its more fun to get
91 Falstaff : I like a stick shift and have owned a few cars with them. Most cars in the USA today do not even offer a stick shift. Many trucks do not even offer th
92 N231YE : Not so, some hybrids used to be available with a manual... ------------------------------------------- That is true. Supposedly, people in manuals wo
93 Post contains images Vikkyvik : I drive a stick shift Civic EX. It's got all of ~125 horsepower. I don't even drive it up to its limit, and I still prefer it infinitely over the aut
94 BHMBAGLOCK : 05 Civic and the engine does turn off under certain conditions, it is not however capable of pure electric drive which is probably what you were gett
95 LOT767-300ER : How is it challenging? Its idiotic. This is typical rice boy mentality. Lets ween out power out of Civic Si because I like the challenge. I dont unde
96 Post contains images RIHNOSAUR : she could always but an import... there are many models that are offered in standard transmission when considering Honda, Toyota, Nissan , BMW Audi..
97 RIHNOSAUR : I disagree, I myself do not think that you need to have a large powerful engine in order to have fun driving... that is a completely arbitrary taste
98 LOT767-300ER : One has fun on a go-kart. Why not have that? How much pleasure do you really get by pressing the pedal and having little acceleration...arbitrary..
99 Post contains images TedTAce : Sort of. The main problem is that MOST Americans spend so much time slogging through traffic that Manual transmissions get in the way. I grew up on m
100 Post contains images ZBBYLW : HAHA yea well I have had an opportunity to drive 3 standards... two 996s and one older 911... even the older one had an amazing gearbox but the two 9
101 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : Except the 4L60E on the 96' SS. Smooth as silk...you know how smooth it is...you dont even have to touch it. Beat that.
102 Post contains images Superfly : I'd rather have one hand on the wheel and the other between her legs.
103 ZBBYLW : HAHA yea... smooth maybe.. I like to drive my cars though... With the 911 Manual Gearbox you have so much control over the car... because of the rela
104 WildcatYXU : Advanced? New? Really? From VIKI: A CVT, called Variomatic, was designed and built by the Dutchman Huub van Doorne, co-founder of Van Doorne's Automo
105 FriendlySkies : I really don't understand the whole "If you don't drive stick you're not a man" mentality so many people in the states seem to have. Some of the argum
106 Sv2008 : Some people drive like that but not many. I don't but often it is useful when you need a bit more power to delay changing up, which is where a manual
107 Vikkyvik : Never said I built upon it. I just DRIVE it, and I happen to enjoy driving it. I don't really care about beating everyone else off of the line at the
108 Post contains images N243NW : I don't see the problem that many people make of the situation of starting on an uphill grade with a manual gearbox. This is how I do it (and this is
109 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : Well, it is hard for me to step from my 440hp V8 sedan and then step into a 120hp Civic and have fun
110 Charger : I always enjoyed driving manual cars, but 2 years ago I really did a job on my left knee and just can't use the clutch anymore. I can do it for a few
111 TLG : Oh, please, don't get me started... -TLG
112 Post contains images ManuCH : And for those who don't want to try this, cars with a "hill hold" function are starting to appear. You basically apply an electromechanical hand brak
113 JJJ : It comes with the whole concept of driving, when you're on conmuter mindset shifting does not require any more attention than steering.... it's all p
114 Post contains images ManuCH : Correct. But if I buy a car with a small engine, performance isn't important. That's an argument I hear often. On my DSG auto, I can do engine brakin
115 JJJ : DSG is not a true auto. Actually it has two clutches, it's just that you don't press the pedal :P Go ahead, I'll never question anyone's motives but
116 Post contains images ManuCH : You're right. I was referring to the fact that you can "drive it as an auto" ... how they technically solve it was unimportant for the discussion In
117 JJJ : Sadly there's no choice of renting manuals in the US and GCC countries so I will have probably driven more miles on a Taurus than on any of my curren
118 Post contains images JetMech : Or you can judge the friction point and the amount and timing of the revs close enough not to need the handbrake ! Regards, JetMech
119 LSPA : When I lived in the US, I've made my license on an automatic as well when I was 16. Now hear th is: I moved backt o Switzerland when I was 16.5 and wa
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