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Prince Harry Will Serve In Iraq  
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6609385.stm

Actually, a more tricky situation than might seem to be the case. He's expressed his desire to serve on the front line, but he would undoubtedly be a target. If he's comfortable with that, fine, but it also puts those serving alongside him at greater risk. It seems unlikely he'll be kept out of harm's way too.


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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

Interesting situation. It's good to see that he is more than willing to serve and risk his life. I understand the concerns but it isn't like the Brits are going to put out a press release to Haji on a daily basis giving the social schedule of the Prince and where he'll be shooting at the bad guys. If they follow normal OPSEC rules he shouldn't be under much more danger than any other British soldier over there.

Edit: Grammar

[Edited 2007-04-30 19:36:39]


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User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

Quoting Banco (Thread starter):

not a good idea


User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11953 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

With daily personal threats from the Iraqi resistance, and the taliban, I can't see why he is so eager to serve in the front line...

Thom@s



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2306 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 2):
not a good idea

I'd welcome a more expanded response than that.



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2306 times:

Considering he is willing, Prince Harry NEEDs to serve on the front line. While his mother would HATE the idea of him being in danger, I'm positive she would 'get' the example he needs to set.

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2304 times:

Quoting Banco (Thread starter):
he would undoubtedly be a target

Not any moreso than anyone else. All wrapped up inthe required gear, no one is really gonna know which schmuck out there is the Princely Lieutenant and who is Tommy Tentpeg.

. . . . .

I don't think he had a choice really. If he didn't go, the screams of favoritism and priviledge would resound for years. Sorta like Bush and Cheney ya know.

Quoting Banco (Thread starter):
If he's comfortable with that, fine, but it also puts those serving alongside him at greater risk.

Disagree.

As was mentioned, OPSEC rules, etc . . . no one will know - or rather no one SHOULD know - when the Prince is out and about. There are always possibilities, but slim, IMO.

. . . . .

Good call Lieutenant . . . everyone should serve their country in some capacity.


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

Quoting Thom@s (Reply 3):
can't see why he is so eager to serve in the front line...

For the same reason anyone else joins the army. He deserves some credit here; he made it abundantly clear that he wasn't prepared to be a token Royal in the military, he wanted to be treated exactly as anyone else who joined the army, and sent on the same kind of deployments. That actually reflects well on him.



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User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
Disagree.

As was mentioned, OPSEC rules, etc . . . no one will know - or rather no one SHOULD know - when the Prince is out and about. There are always possibilities, but slim, IMO.

Well, presumably that's the conclusion the army came to, as well. Certainly, when the whole matter was being publicly debated, they were quick to say that it wasn't simply a case of what the prince wanted, it was a question of whether it would put others at increased risk.



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User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 7):
He deserves some credit here; he made it abundantly clear that he wasn't prepared to be a token Royal in the military, he wanted to be treated exactly as anyone else who joined the army, and sent on the same kind of deployments. That actually reflects well on him.

Absolutely. I mean, I doubt he is looking forward to being on the front line, but he's taking a step that shows his true colours. Godspeed to him and all those over there.


User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3313 posts, RR: 39
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

He's one brave prince. With all these threats from the Iraqi resistance, and the Taliban, he certainly is putting on a brave face. Big thumps up to him, although I do think sending him to Iraq is a bad idea. Resistance may be increased by the Iraqi's to try and increase the chances of capturing/killing the prince.

Also, what if he actually is captured. All hell will break lose in England and among the British servicemen in Iraq. And threats to send his ears back by post to the royal family... crikey  worried 



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

I think he will at least have full support from his grandparents. After all Prince Philipp served in the Royal Navy in WW2 and afterwards and saw action (AFAIK he commanded a destroyer, though I don't know if it was during or after the war. I know that after he married his wife, they were based for a year or so in Malta, until King George died and his wife became the Queen. This time was described as the happiest time of their lives). The Queen joined the ATS (Auxiliary Territorial Service = Women's organisation of the British army back then) against the will of her parents when she reached the age of 18 in 1945 and served as a driver / mechanic.

About since WW1, in a combat zone officers and NCOs try to look like ordinary soldiers anyway, often with the rank badges removed from the uniform (within a platoon or a company the soldiers know each other anyway, so there is no need to wear NCO stripes or officer's pips in the field) so that they will not become a target for snipers.


Jan


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2146 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 11):
After all Prince Philipp served in the Royal Navy in WW2 and afterwards and saw action (AFAIK he commanded a destroyer, though I don't know if it was during or after the war.

Prince Philip was by all accounts a genuinely outstanding naval officer, who could have gone right to the top. Having to give up his career must have been a dreadful wrench for him.



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User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4022 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
no one is really gonna know which schmuck out there is the Princely Lieutenant and who is Tommy Tentpeg.

Maybe the badge with the words "Wales" splattered around his helmet will give it a way?

Quoting Banco (Reply 7):
he made it abundantly clear that he wasn't prepared to be a token Royal in the military, he wanted to be treated exactly as anyone else who joined the army, and sent on the same kind of deployments.

Yeah, right. And I have a nice oceanfront property to sell to you in Arizona.

Quoting Banco (Reply 8):
it was a question of whether it would put others at increased risk.

It does. Not that he cares, the selfish little twit he is.

Well, at least there finally is something to unite the Shias and the Sunnis. Perhaps there is hope for Iraq after all.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2128 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 13):
Maybe the badge with the words "Wales" splattered around his helmet will give it a way?

What badge with the word WALES? That's not even his last name . . . .

Wanna produce a picture of such a badge? For that matter, any badge with the name WALES or anything else emblazoned on it upon the head of a British Soldier?

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 13):
It does. Not that he cares, the selfish little twit he is.

You know the prince? You're able to make the determination he's a selfish little twit?

Such high company you keep.  sarcastic 


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25276 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2114 times:
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Quoting Pyrex (Reply 13):
Not that he cares, the selfish little twit he is.

Given the very specific threats made against him - "selfish" - doesn't seem appropriate. Big Iron Balls might be better.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14):
What badge with the word WALES? That's not even his last name . . . .

That is his name. Or - the name he uses. He and his brother are entitled to use their father's title as their last name. He is known in the army as "Cornet (his rank) Harry Wales".

mariner



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User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4022 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14):
Wanna produce a picture of such a badge?



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14):
That's not even his last name . . . .

I know...

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14):
You're able to make the determination he's a selfish little twit?

He is a monarch. He has expressed no desire to abdicate and stop being a monarch. Hence, he is a selfish little twit.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25276 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2111 times:
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Quoting Pyrex (Reply 16):
He is a monarch.

He is not "a monarch" - his grandmother is. In the normal course of events it is unlilkely that he will ever be "a monarch".

He cannot abdicate from a position he does not have.

???

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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2105 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14):
Maybe the badge with the words "Wales" splattered around his helmet will give it a way?

What badge with the word WALES? That's not even his last name . . . .

Wanna produce a picture of such a badge? For that matter, any badge with the name WALES or anything else emblazoned on it upon the head of a British Soldier?

Pep,

In the British Army Harry goes under the name Lt. Wales (isn't his correct family name Windsor?). In accordance with British Army regs he wears an embroidered name badge (similar to the one you guys wear above the right breast pocket on your BDUs) on his helmet cover front. I have seen several pictures of him wearing the helmet on the BBC. I think in a combat zone this badge would be removed.

Jan


User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2102 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 4):

Ok , It´s obvius that the Terrorist will hunt him , why ignore that , he´s far more endangered that other "normal" soldiers ...


Konstantin


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2102 times:

Regardless of the details, I don't know if having an officer in the armed forces is a great thing when photos of him dressed as a Nazi have been seen around the world. But nevertheless I don't think this is much of an issue. Barring a major cockup no one will know exactly where he is or what he's doing. And ultimately if he is killed it frankly won't be the PR coup for the terrorists some think it is. His capture is another matter, but that would take a marked shift in terrorist tactics, and is unlikely.

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2096 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 16):
He has expressed no desire to abdicate and stop being a monarch. Hence, he is a selfish little twit.

Exactly why should he abdicate? Because he's in the Army? Because he's Harry Wales?

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 18):
similar to the one you guys wear above the right breast pocket on your BDUs)

And also across the helmet band on our helmets.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 18):
I think in a combat zone this badge would be removed.

As ours generally are.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 18):
isn't his correct family name Windsor?).

Yes.

Thanks for the info Jan . . .


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21467 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 20):
His capture is another matter, but that would take a marked shift in terrorist tactics, and is unlikely.

Not really. There is a veritable industry in Iraq nowadays abducting people and holding them for ransom or propaganda effect...


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):

Not really. There is a veritable industry in Iraq nowadays abducting people and holding them for ransom or propaganda effect...

Yes really. There is a significance difference between kidnapping a civilian and a soldier.


User currently offlineTZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2868 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2072 times:

I think he should most definitely serve in Iraq. He is part of the Army and personally, I think him serving in Iraq will being a sense of nobility to the throne. The Prince protecting his troops...sounds like something out of a medieval story. Very nice.


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25 Pyrex : He should abdicate because he is a monarch - you see, I am very tolerant that way, I hate all monarchs equally. It is not his fault he was born into
26 ANCFlyer : Ahhh, okay . . . it's not Prince Harry with the problem, it's you with the problem. You hate Monarchs . . . well, hell, that's all the more reason th
27 MD11Engineer : During the Falklands war Harry's uncle, Prince Andrew was deliberately kept out of combat by his superiors, who feared having something happen to him
28 Mariner : Once again, he is not a monarch. Once again, he cannot abdicate from a position he does not have. mariner
29 Airfoilsguy : Being a little harsh now arn't we? Its not like he or his family is actively suppressing the masses. The monarchy in England are just figure heads. N
30 Pyrex : You know what I meant but sure, let's be anal about this whole royal / monarch separation. No, I don't think I am being harsh (with him or any monarc
31 Mariner : No, I don't. If you mean that the Prince should renounce his title, yes, he could do that. But he would also be renouncing his obligation to serve hi
32 Pyrex : Renouncing the title would not mean abandoning his obligation to serve the country. Are you suggesting that the only way he has of serving his countr
33 Mariner : Not at all. I am saying that part of that oblagation is to serve in the army, in the front line, even at the cost of his life. You don't like it? Fin
34 Pyrex : I am not suggesting he leave the Army, I suggested he renounce his title as a royal. They are two different things (I would venture to say that most
35 Sprout5199 : Good for him and good for the Army in letting him. And don't worry about him getting kidnapped,every man in his outfit would die before it happens, an
36 Mariner : Nope, not saying that at all. Why do you keep putting words in my mouth - is my English that bad? LOL mariner
37 Post contains images BMIFlyer : Exactly. Harry want's to serve, it's the press that seems to think he shouldn't!. However he wanted to join the Army so he could serve the country, n
38 Post contains images BMIFlyer : We also wear them above our left breast pocket as well   Technically in combat these are removed, however there are other ways of identifying you, a
39 Pyrex : Why should I? Should I shut up about the way women are treated in Iran because I do not live there? Should I not be allowed to comment on the fact th
40 Mariner : Oh, come on - that's such an old trick. Of course, I stand by - "own up to" - those words. LOL And it is hard to see how they could be any clearer, b
41 JGPH1A : I thought he did - isn't he/wasn't he Admiral of the Fleet /First Lord of the Admiralty (or whatever the correct term is - maybe First Lord is the Pr
42 BigTom : That Prince Harry want's to serve on the front line is commendable. However considering who he is and what he represents to the UK, I would feel that
43 Dsa : This was the only logical decision to take, yes there is a risk of the third in line to the throne being killed. But if we had stopped him going they
44 Pyrex : So the fact that he was kicked out of the country because he loved someone who was divorced (extremely hipocritical, given that the Church he was sup
45 Ferengi80 : Prince Harry is going to be an incredible target if he does go to Iraq. The Taliban will know he is going, and will be looking to kidnap him whenever
46 Pyrex : Ah, the typical trap all monarchists always fall for. What the "majority" in this case wants is absolutely irrelevant, as the whole point of a democr
47 QANTASforever : (Runs up, panting) Don't worry everyone, I'm here! (grumble). That sounds like it could have come straight from HRH The Princess Michael of Kent. Look
48 Ferengi80 : Pyrex, are you a British citizen? If not, how can you possibly make the comments you do? It is the right of every person of a nation to want to be hea
49 JGPH1A : Better late than never ! Tsk tsk - colonials, no sense of timing. Comes from living at the wrong end of the world. Very interesting constitutional po
50 MD11Engineer : ah, not in Germany. An MdB (Mitglied des Bundestags, Member of the Federal German Parliament) is only (theoretically, though his own party will try t
51 Baroque : That is the trouble with the Brit royals, just when you have worked out they are a total waste of space, one of them pops up with a noble gesture. Mi
52 RJdxer : I'd love to hear the explanation behind that. A democracy is rule by majority, the minority have to live with their decisions. The United States is n
53 Banco : Pyrex, you can bitch about the monarchy all you like, but quite frankly it's none of your business. The British currently wish to retain a Royal Famil
54 JGPH1A : I'm curious as to why you make that statement. I know there are republican movements in each of those countries, but is any of them that close to a s
55 Banco : Funnily enough I had this conversation with QFF a while back. A number of the Commonwealth countries where the Queen is still monarch have given indi
56 Post contains images Cornish : With QFF leading the campaign, surely you could argue a case for Australia to stay firmly monarchist for the foreseeable future.......
57 JGPH1A : I see - that would make a lot of sense. Tricky thing to announce though - would they do it at the funeral, or wait till after ? They'd have to do it
58 Post contains images RJdxer : Besides, who would want money with those big ears on it? Isn't there a bit of time between the funeral and the coronation ceremony?
59 Baroque : If Howard is still PM, Aus will stay a monarchy whoever is K. There would be another referendum that would be impossible to support. Changing in Aus
60 JGPH1A : That's what I meant by the interregnum - I think it's usually about a year, isn't it ?
61 Banco : Strictly speaking, there isn't one. The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King and all that. But... ...is usually the case. Plenty of time to give notice
62 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Because you don't like Monarchs. Well, that's as good as reason as any . . . .
63 JGPH1A : I meant the bit between the death of the monarch and the next coronation.
64 Cornish : No matter how keen you are for the job, you will not be given the title of Queen of England JGP.
65 JGPH1A : As my minions have stated many times, I will only accept the job title of Supreme and Mostly Benign Oligarch of the Universe, Known and Unknown, The
66 Post contains images Cornish : but in the meantime you're happy to be known as Vice Captain of the SS Salty Slapper
67 Post contains images Klaus : Actually, what the majority wants is essential in any democracy! Any brit can aspire to become president of Great Britain. Simply be a british citize
68 JGPH1A : This from the Admiral himself ! I'm honoured.
69 Post contains images WrenchBender : And my 2 cents worth, Pyrex, you can bitch about the monarchy all you like, but quite frankly it's none of your business. The Canadians currently wis
70 Post contains images Scbriml : What could be more noble than talking to trees and complaining about new buildings? @Pyrex You are, of course, entitled to your opinion and I will ha
71 Banco : We only pay for the immediate Royal Family. The Queen herself pays for the rest. Now, that of course opens up a whole new line as to where the money
72 Baroque : All in all, better for the peasants than for the pheasants? Yes, I know, I'm not a pheasant plucker, I'm a ....... mate.
73 Scbriml : I'm reminded of a TV sketch where Diana is sitting in the drawing room (Royals don't have lounges) reading and Charles is obviously looking for somet
74 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Maybe, if the enemy found him out. It would seem he'll be pretty incognito out there, with all his gear, etc. Kudos to him, though, at least he's goi
75 Wrighbrothers : I personally say, good on the lad, he's paid to serve in the front-line, and in reality there shouldn't have been any question as to him NOT serving,
76 Scbriml : I think you'd be somewhat disappointed at our response. We'd call in the Iranian ambassador, offer him a cup of tea, give him a good telling off, and
77 EWRCabincrew : Let the Prince serve, if he wants. You sure as hell don't see the Bush twins or Cheney's daughter serving, do you? What of any other offspring of our
78 Post contains images Pyrex : If the majority were to decide that all blacks should travel in the back of the bus would the minority have to conform? Again, see above. Don't think
79 Banco : And you don't have one, so what's the issue? I have a bit of a problem with fascist dictatorships, but you don't see me dragging up Portugal's recent
80 JGPH1A : Not any more, but you can bet there's at least a millennium of bloody oppression in there somewhere ! Come and see the violence inherent in the syste
81 Post contains images Banco : As you should be, peasant. Respect your social and cultural betters - like me.
82 JGPH1A : I'd laugh, only it would cause me to spill Lapsang Souchong all over the flunky, and ruin the cucumber sandwiches. I cast a superior glance at you th
83 Pyrex : Actually you just did. But since you are so knowledgeable perhaps you know that last Wednesday was the 33rd anniversary of us getting rid of ours (wi
84 GDB : I have to disagree with MD-11 Engineer (a rare event). Andrew was trained to fly Sea King HAS.5 anti sub helicopters, his unit, 820 Naval Air Squadron
85 JGPH1A : Britain got rid of it's last fascist dictotorship in about 1660, as I recall - when the Commonwealth ended.
86 Post contains images Allstarflyer : I'm afraid your response, unfortunately, well-summates your position. -R
87 Pyrex : Actually, France and its Revolution is more responsible for the form of government we (Portugal) have nowadays than any other country. Since they lea
88 Mariner : I see you have completely avoided the real subject. A soldier is going to serve his country in a war zone, whatever his station in life. And you thin
89 Post contains links and images Klaus : The french and american quasi-dictatorial presidencies lacking a proper representative of the state are clearly not the way to go; But a properly sep
90 777236ER : Nope, no death penalty, sorry.
91 QANTASforever : Heh, oh my dear boy. Bless you. Having lived in and visited the occident on numerous occasions, I'd wager that it is not our sense of timing that req
92 Post contains images Banco : Wasn't talking about your experience. Hard as it may be to believe, I don't automatically consider Australia in every post.
93 Post contains images Klaus : Yeah, getting democratically elected to ceremonial head of state. Really vicious! Next stop world domination!
94 Post contains images Gkirk : You lot have tried the world domination plan before and look what it got you
95 Post contains images Klaus : When you've finally drunk yourself to an early death, you can try asking my grandfather about your favourite obsession. I'm not really into that kind
96 QANTASforever : I would never expect such a thing! Rather, consider the 15 other commonwealth realms when discussing QEII and her immediate family. That is greatly r
97 Banco : Not when talking about the British system of monarchy it isn't. And that's what we were talking about.
98 Post contains images Ferengi80 : Definitely. With Bush as an example in Washington, who can blame us? God save the Queen!
99 Post contains images Gkirk : You are getting very boring now Klaus. Much like your friend Andreas
100 Klaus : It's not my problem that a look into the mirror doesn't please you.
101 Post contains images Gkirk : You know what. I'm not even going to bother with this anymore. A.net really does need that "Ignore user" feature
102 QANTASforever : True, but I came in and shifted things around a bit. You know how much pleasure it gives me. But, indeed - continue. Debate the relevance of the Brit
103 MD11Engineer : Actually the change, relating to the British Army, the Americans might have realised a bit earlier during their civil war, came during the first Boer
104 RJdxer : In a true democracy yes they would.
105 Post contains images Allstarflyer : It's too bad the VP of the US wasn't conformed to do more of something like this in the first place, IMO. Ha! Gkirk and Klaus goin' at it! Classic! -
106 Kmh1956 : But does it all fit on your credit and business cards?
107 Post contains images Pyrex : Do you think any financial institution will be dumb enough to actually concede him credit?
108 GDB : I can honestly say MD-11, that the question of Prince Andrew was never a big topic at the time of the war, sure the Queen (as has been suggested by so
109 Banco : The "Invincible attack" is still a matter of some controversy in Argentina, and claims are still made that she was put out of action, despite it bein
110 Jaysit : Good for him. He's making himself useful. I say we send our royalty there as well - don't Mitt Romney, John McCain and Keebler elf Leiberman have some
111 Venus6971 : Sen McCain's youngest son is in the Marine Corps as an enlisted man. Sen Webb has a son in the USMC, both are I believe both infantrymen.
112 Raventom : If you were a Prince I know you wouldn't want to give it up. I sense a little jealousy. Jolly Ho Chaps! GOD SAVE THE QUEEN
113 GDB : Yes Banco, the 30th May attack. However, prior to this, the Argentine press would transplant pics of the damage to HMS Sheffield, on to peacetime pics
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