Actually, a more tricky situation than might seem to be the case. He's expressed his desire to serve on the front line, but he would undoubtedly be a target. If he's comfortable with that, fine, but it also puts those serving alongside him at greater risk. It seems unlikely he'll be kept out of harm's way too.
She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 16 Reply 1, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1849 times:
Interesting situation. It's good to see that he is more than willing to serve and risk his life. I understand the concerns but it isn't like the Brits are going to put out a press release to Haji on a daily basis giving the social schedule of the Prince and where he'll be shooting at the bad guys. If they follow normal OPSEC rules he shouldn't be under much more danger than any other British soldier over there.
[Edited 2007-04-30 19:36:39]
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Banco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 55 Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1826 times:
Quoting Thom@s (Reply 3): can't see why he is so eager to serve in the front line...
For the same reason anyone else joins the army. He deserves some credit here; he made it abundantly clear that he wasn't prepared to be a token Royal in the military, he wanted to be treated exactly as anyone else who joined the army, and sent on the same kind of deployments. That actually reflects well on him.
She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
As was mentioned, OPSEC rules, etc . . . no one will know - or rather no one SHOULD know - when the Prince is out and about. There are always possibilities, but slim, IMO.
Well, presumably that's the conclusion the army came to, as well. Certainly, when the whole matter was being publicly debated, they were quick to say that it wasn't simply a case of what the prince wanted, it was a question of whether it would put others at increased risk.
She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
CastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1797 times:
Quoting Banco (Reply 7): He deserves some credit here; he made it abundantly clear that he wasn't prepared to be a token Royal in the military, he wanted to be treated exactly as anyone else who joined the army, and sent on the same kind of deployments. That actually reflects well on him.
Absolutely. I mean, I doubt he is looking forward to being on the front line, but he's taking a step that shows his true colours. Godspeed to him and all those over there.
Legoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3301 posts, RR: 43 Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1742 times:
He's one brave prince. With all these threats from the Iraqi resistance, and the Taliban, he certainly is putting on a brave face. Big thumps up to him, although I do think sending him to Iraq is a bad idea. Resistance may be increased by the Iraqi's to try and increase the chances of capturing/killing the prince.
Also, what if he actually is captured. All hell will break lose in England and among the British servicemen in Iraq. And threats to send his ears back by post to the royal family... crikey
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MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13369 posts, RR: 64 Reply 11, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1718 times:
I think he will at least have full support from his grandparents. After all Prince Philipp served in the Royal Navy in WW2 and afterwards and saw action (AFAIK he commanded a destroyer, though I don't know if it was during or after the war. I know that after he married his wife, they were based for a year or so in Malta, until King George died and his wife became the Queen. This time was described as the happiest time of their lives). The Queen joined the ATS (Auxiliary Territorial Service = Women's organisation of the British army back then) against the will of her parents when she reached the age of 18 in 1945 and served as a driver / mechanic.
About since WW1, in a combat zone officers and NCOs try to look like ordinary soldiers anyway, often with the rank badges removed from the uniform (within a platoon or a company the soldiers know each other anyway, so there is no need to wear NCO stripes or officer's pips in the field) so that they will not become a target for snipers.
Banco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 55 Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1673 times:
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 11): After all Prince Philipp served in the Royal Navy in WW2 and afterwards and saw action (AFAIK he commanded a destroyer, though I don't know if it was during or after the war.
Prince Philip was by all accounts a genuinely outstanding naval officer, who could have gone right to the top. Having to give up his career must have been a dreadful wrench for him.
She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
Pyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3542 posts, RR: 28 Reply 13, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1664 times:
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6): no one is really gonna know which schmuck out there is the Princely Lieutenant and who is Tommy Tentpeg.
Maybe the badge with the words "Wales" splattered around his helmet will give it a way?
Quoting Banco (Reply 7): he made it abundantly clear that he wasn't prepared to be a token Royal in the military, he wanted to be treated exactly as anyone else who joined the army, and sent on the same kind of deployments.
Yeah, right. And I have a nice oceanfront property to sell to you in Arizona.
Quoting Banco (Reply 8): it was a question of whether it would put others at increased risk.
It does. Not that he cares, the selfish little twit he is.
Well, at least there finally is something to unite the Shias and the Sunnis. Perhaps there is hope for Iraq after all.
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MD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13369 posts, RR: 64 Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1632 times:
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14): Maybe the badge with the words "Wales" splattered around his helmet will give it a way?
What badge with the word WALES? That's not even his last name . . . .
Wanna produce a picture of such a badge? For that matter, any badge with the name WALES or anything else emblazoned on it upon the head of a British Soldier?
In the British Army Harry goes under the name Lt. Wales (isn't his correct family name Windsor?). In accordance with British Army regs he wears an embroidered name badge (similar to the one you guys wear above the right breast pocket on your BDUs) on his helmet cover front. I have seen several pictures of him wearing the helmet on the BBC. I think in a combat zone this badge would be removed.
777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1629 times:
Regardless of the details, I don't know if having an officer in the armed forces is a great thing when photos of him dressed as a Nazi have been seen around the world. But nevertheless I don't think this is much of an issue. Barring a major cockup no one will know exactly where he is or what he's doing. And ultimately if he is killed it frankly won't be the PR coup for the terrorists some think it is. His capture is another matter, but that would take a marked shift in terrorist tactics, and is unlikely.
TZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2839 posts, RR: 7 Reply 24, posted (6 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1599 times:
I think he should most definitely serve in Iraq. He is part of the Army and personally, I think him serving in Iraq will being a sense of nobility to the throne. The Prince protecting his troops...sounds like something out of a medieval story. Very nice.
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25 Pyrex: He should abdicate because he is a monarch - you see, I am very tolerant that way, I hate all monarchs equally. It is not his fault he was born into
26 ANCFlyer: Ahhh, okay . . . it's not Prince Harry with the problem, it's you with the problem. You hate Monarchs . . . well, hell, that's all the more reason th
27 MD11Engineer: During the Falklands war Harry's uncle, Prince Andrew was deliberately kept out of combat by his superiors, who feared having something happen to him
28 Mariner: Once again, he is not a monarch. Once again, he cannot abdicate from a position he does not have. mariner
29 Airfoilsguy: Being a little harsh now arn't we? Its not like he or his family is actively suppressing the masses. The monarchy in England are just figure heads. N
30 Pyrex: You know what I meant but sure, let's be anal about this whole royal / monarch separation. No, I don't think I am being harsh (with him or any monarc
31 Mariner: No, I don't. If you mean that the Prince should renounce his title, yes, he could do that. But he would also be renouncing his obligation to serve hi
32 Pyrex: Renouncing the title would not mean abandoning his obligation to serve the country. Are you suggesting that the only way he has of serving his countr
33 Mariner: Not at all. I am saying that part of that oblagation is to serve in the army, in the front line, even at the cost of his life. You don't like it? Fin
34 Pyrex: I am not suggesting he leave the Army, I suggested he renounce his title as a royal. They are two different things (I would venture to say that most
35 Sprout5199: Good for him and good for the Army in letting him. And don't worry about him getting kidnapped,every man in his outfit would die before it happens, an
36 Mariner: Nope, not saying that at all. Why do you keep putting words in my mouth - is my English that bad? LOL mariner
37 BMIFlyer: Exactly. Harry want's to serve, it's the press that seems to think he shouldn't!. However he wanted to join the Army so he could serve the country, n
38 BMIFlyer: We also wear them above our left breast pocket as well Technically in combat these are removed, however there are other ways of identifying you, a
39 Pyrex: Why should I? Should I shut up about the way women are treated in Iran because I do not live there? Should I not be allowed to comment on the fact th
40 Mariner: Oh, come on - that's such an old trick. Of course, I stand by - "own up to" - those words. LOL And it is hard to see how they could be any clearer, b
41 JGPH1A: I thought he did - isn't he/wasn't he Admiral of the Fleet /First Lord of the Admiralty (or whatever the correct term is - maybe First Lord is the Pr
42 BigTom: That Prince Harry want's to serve on the front line is commendable. However considering who he is and what he represents to the UK, I would feel that
43 Dsa: This was the only logical decision to take, yes there is a risk of the third in line to the throne being killed. But if we had stopped him going they
44 Pyrex: So the fact that he was kicked out of the country because he loved someone who was divorced (extremely hipocritical, given that the Church he was sup
45 Ferengi80: Prince Harry is going to be an incredible target if he does go to Iraq. The Taliban will know he is going, and will be looking to kidnap him whenever
46 Pyrex: Ah, the typical trap all monarchists always fall for. What the "majority" in this case wants is absolutely irrelevant, as the whole point of a democr
47 QANTASforever: (Runs up, panting) Don't worry everyone, I'm here! (grumble). That sounds like it could have come straight from HRH The Princess Michael of Kent. Look
48 Ferengi80: Pyrex, are you a British citizen? If not, how can you possibly make the comments you do? It is the right of every person of a nation to want to be hea
49 JGPH1A: Better late than never ! Tsk tsk - colonials, no sense of timing. Comes from living at the wrong end of the world. Very interesting constitutional po
50 MD11Engineer: ah, not in Germany. An MdB (Mitglied des Bundestags, Member of the Federal German Parliament) is only (theoretically, though his own party will try t
51 Baroque: That is the trouble with the Brit royals, just when you have worked out they are a total waste of space, one of them pops up with a noble gesture. Mi
52 RJdxer: I'd love to hear the explanation behind that. A democracy is rule by majority, the minority have to live with their decisions. The United States is n
53 Banco: Pyrex, you can bitch about the monarchy all you like, but quite frankly it's none of your business. The British currently wish to retain a Royal Famil
54 JGPH1A: I'm curious as to why you make that statement. I know there are republican movements in each of those countries, but is any of them that close to a s
55 Banco: Funnily enough I had this conversation with QFF a while back. A number of the Commonwealth countries where the Queen is still monarch have given indi
56 Cornish: With QFF leading the campaign, surely you could argue a case for Australia to stay firmly monarchist for the foreseeable future.......
57 JGPH1A: I see - that would make a lot of sense. Tricky thing to announce though - would they do it at the funeral, or wait till after ? They'd have to do it
58 RJdxer: Besides, who would want money with those big ears on it? Isn't there a bit of time between the funeral and the coronation ceremony?
59 Baroque: If Howard is still PM, Aus will stay a monarchy whoever is K. There would be another referendum that would be impossible to support. Changing in Aus
60 JGPH1A: That's what I meant by the interregnum - I think it's usually about a year, isn't it ?
61 Banco: Strictly speaking, there isn't one. The Queen is Dead, Long Live the King and all that. But... ...is usually the case. Plenty of time to give notice
62 ANCFlyer: Because you don't like Monarchs. Well, that's as good as reason as any . . . .
63 JGPH1A: I meant the bit between the death of the monarch and the next coronation.
64 Cornish: No matter how keen you are for the job, you will not be given the title of Queen of England JGP.
65 JGPH1A: As my minions have stated many times, I will only accept the job title of Supreme and Mostly Benign Oligarch of the Universe, Known and Unknown, The
66 Cornish: but in the meantime you're happy to be known as Vice Captain of the SS Salty Slapper
67 Klaus: Actually, what the majority wants is essential in any democracy! Any brit can aspire to become president of Great Britain. Simply be a british citize
68 JGPH1A: This from the Admiral himself ! I'm honoured.
69 WrenchBender: And my 2 cents worth, Pyrex, you can bitch about the monarchy all you like, but quite frankly it's none of your business. The Canadians currently wis
70 Scbriml: What could be more noble than talking to trees and complaining about new buildings? @Pyrex You are, of course, entitled to your opinion and I will ha
71 Banco: We only pay for the immediate Royal Family. The Queen herself pays for the rest. Now, that of course opens up a whole new line as to where the money
72 Baroque: All in all, better for the peasants than for the pheasants? Yes, I know, I'm not a pheasant plucker, I'm a ....... mate.
73 Scbriml: I'm reminded of a TV sketch where Diana is sitting in the drawing room (Royals don't have lounges) reading and Charles is obviously looking for somet
74 Allstarflyer: Maybe, if the enemy found him out. It would seem he'll be pretty incognito out there, with all his gear, etc. Kudos to him, though, at least he's goi
75 Wrighbrothers: I personally say, good on the lad, he's paid to serve in the front-line, and in reality there shouldn't have been any question as to him NOT serving,
76 Scbriml: I think you'd be somewhat disappointed at our response. We'd call in the Iranian ambassador, offer him a cup of tea, give him a good telling off, and
77 EWRCabincrew: Let the Prince serve, if he wants. You sure as hell don't see the Bush twins or Cheney's daughter serving, do you? What of any other offspring of our
78 Pyrex: If the majority were to decide that all blacks should travel in the back of the bus would the minority have to conform? Again, see above. Don't think
79 Banco: And you don't have one, so what's the issue? I have a bit of a problem with fascist dictatorships, but you don't see me dragging up Portugal's recent
80 JGPH1A: Not any more, but you can bet there's at least a millennium of bloody oppression in there somewhere ! Come and see the violence inherent in the syste
81 Banco: As you should be, peasant. Respect your social and cultural betters - like me.
82 JGPH1A: I'd laugh, only it would cause me to spill Lapsang Souchong all over the flunky, and ruin the cucumber sandwiches. I cast a superior glance at you th
83 Pyrex: Actually you just did. But since you are so knowledgeable perhaps you know that last Wednesday was the 33rd anniversary of us getting rid of ours (wi
84 GDB: I have to disagree with MD-11 Engineer (a rare event). Andrew was trained to fly Sea King HAS.5 anti sub helicopters, his unit, 820 Naval Air Squadron
85 JGPH1A: Britain got rid of it's last fascist dictotorship in about 1660, as I recall - when the Commonwealth ended.
86 Allstarflyer: I'm afraid your response, unfortunately, well-summates your position. -R
87 Pyrex: Actually, France and its Revolution is more responsible for the form of government we (Portugal) have nowadays than any other country. Since they lea
88 Mariner: I see you have completely avoided the real subject. A soldier is going to serve his country in a war zone, whatever his station in life. And you thin
89 Klaus: The french and american quasi-dictatorial presidencies lacking a proper representative of the state are clearly not the way to go; But a properly sep