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User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6493 times:

Hi !

Are there many German cars in the US ? On all Pics I see , I never see a German car ...

Do Americans like German cars , or do they prefer American ones ??


Cheers,

Konstantin



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User currently offlineTZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2868 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6478 times:

Americans like German cars, they arn't bad.

You must not look at a lot of photos, VW's are everywhere.

I do prefer American cars, but its all on opinion.



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6476 times:

It's a matter of cost. A nicely trimmed 3-series BMW will set you back $50,000. You can get something similarly equipped from a US or Japanese firm for $35-40,000. Might not take the corners the same way, but it works.

User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6471 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 2):

the name makes 10k ... but a BMW is far better than a GM or any american car ...

IMO Big grin


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6463 times:

They are OK, I had a TT however and it was a real piece of crap. My dad had an A8 which he hated, and my brother had an A6 which he could not wait to get rid of.

So, we had three in the family, and we didn't do well with them. I don't want to bash Audi, but we didn't have such good luck.


User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6454 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 4):

Wow that was bad luck ! Well I prefer BMW , BMW are the best cars ...


User currently offlineRlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1086 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6453 times:

There are some but not too many. For most of the models are not sold there.

Audi: the only A3 is the TFSI. No diesel or the other gasoline engines available. Same with the A4, A6, A8 and the A2 was never sold there.

BMW: No 1er, and no disels for the other models. I do not think there is a 4 cylinder 3er sold there. No diesel X3 or X5.

No Skoda or Seat.(yes, they are really German).

Mercedes Benz: No A or B series. Diesel only for the E class. Do not think there are 4 cylynders there. No Viano. The Sprinter is a Dodge. Maybach? Smart sold soon. But not the Mitsubishi (nedcar) 4 four.

Ford: No Fiesta, Focus, S-Max, Mondeo or Transit.

The Opel Astra is a Saturn Astra. Vectra soon to come. No other German GM products. But the PremiumV6 from GM is sold in many vehicles notably the Suzuki XL7. And will be (already is in Europe) in the Alfa Romeos.

The Hyundai Sonata is German designed.

The German Toyota Avensis platform is sold as a Scion tc.



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User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6441 times:

Quoting Rlwynn (Reply 6):

Interesting ... but why do you name Ford , AFAIK Ford is American ...


User currently offlineSoylentgreen From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 244 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6438 times:

BMWs are expensive in the US, and are renown for electrical problems , e.g., windows not coming down, engines stalling, alarms that will not disengage, etc. They do sell though, and given their price, often are leased. Mercedes are popular but the brand is deteriorating as:

1. The use of Merecedes parts in Chryslers, a low cost American brand, is not a selling point to the affluent;
2. Mercedes models look too similar, and with models available from $25K to $150K, the high end purchasers may be a bit weary in shelling out that much for what is in essence, a well heeled Chrysler.

Volkwagen Jettas remain popular with the 20s crowd. Audis are somewhat big in the Northeast. My guess is the Qauttro all wheel drive system, which allows them to perform in the snow common in most areas of the northeast US, is a big selling point.


User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6427 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 2):
A nicely trimmed 3-series BMW will set you back $50,000.

At the dealership my wife works at, the number reflects the price

3 series = 30-40K

5 series = 50-60K

7 Series = 70-80K

This is base price with all the common options.

It also reflects how many times a year you will have electrical problems.

At least its not like VW, never knowing if the engine will need to be replaced before or after you exceed the allowed milage or timeframe.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 3):
but a BMW is far better than a GM or any american car ...

Not true, and BMW is inferior to many Japanese cars



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User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6416 times:

Wow not really good feedback about the German cars ... wouldn´t have thought this ...

User currently offlineRlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1086 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6416 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 7):
Interesting ... but why do you name Ford , AFAIK Ford is American ...

The thread is about German cars not companies.
Ford has been designing and building cars in Köln since 1931.

And I left out VW, No Tourans Caddys Polos, Fox or T5's in America

Ford Germany is the same as Gm Germany (Opel). The cars historically have been not sold in the USA so often.

[Edited 2007-04-30 23:43:17]


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User currently offlineCharger From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 273 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6416 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
Are there many German cars in the US

Yes. VW's, BMW's, Mercedes, and Audi's are everywhere.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
Do Americans like German cars , or do they prefer American ones

Depends on the person.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 3):
but a BMW is far better than a GM or any american car ...

Opinion? Never mind I just checked your age.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 4):
So, we had three in the family, and we didn't do well with them. I don't want to bash Audi, but we didn't have such good luck.

Don't feel bad Dtwcliipper, I bought a brand new 06 Audi 4.2 Quattro last year. I got rid of it 6 months later. What a piece of garbage car. The car was in the dealer for a total of 7 weeks out of 24. A/C quit working twice. Power windows stopped working, of course they were down, sunroof quit working, Power seat quit working twice, A total of 4 sensors that had to be replaced. I'll bash them for you. Absolutly the crappiest car I ever owned!!! Funny enough though it is also the only foreign car I ever bought. Never again. Traded it in on a 07 Dodge Charger SRT8. Never been happier.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 5):
BMW are the best cars ...

Yep, that's why I just read that the 3 series and 5 series just recieved very low grades by the NHTSA in rear end crashes. The only BMW that recieved a good grade is the 7 series. I am looking for the article I just read and will post a link as soon as I find it again.


User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6406 times:

Quoting Charger (Reply 12):

man look at the M6 it´s the best car I´ve ever seen !

Quoting Charger (Reply 12):

Opinion? Never mind I just checked your age.

Thats what all Germans say  Wink

Quoting Charger (Reply 12):
Yep, that's why I just read that the 3 series and 5 series just recieved very low grades by the NHTSA in rear end crashes. The only BMW that recieved a good grade is the 7 series. I am looking for the article I just read and will post a link as soon as I find it again.

Wow , embarrassing for Germany ...


User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6406 times:

My Brother was stationed in Germany for 2 years. He came home and bought a Jetta GTI. Absolutly loves it. But he paid a premium for it. A Japanese import of similar quality would be half as much, and he wouldn't have to use high test gas.

User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6403 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 3):
the name makes 10k ... but a BMW is far better than a GM or any american car ...

Uh oh, this thread can become interesting .... Big grin  Wink

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 7):
Interesting ... but why do you name Ford , AFAIK Ford is American ...

Ford has very different products in Europe then it does in North America. And the products that do have the same name, ave usually better in Europe then they are here. Two examples would be the Ford Focus (we are still have the first generation) and is far inferior in handling/performance and quality of materials to the European model. Also, the Ford Mondeo was sold here in the 1990's as the Ford Contour/Mercury Mystique and was a very poor copy of the European original.

Also, this might shock you. VW is always a good 2 years behind when it comes to some cars in North America. I hope you're sitting down for this one, but 2007 is the first year for the Golf 5 (now sold as the Rabbit) in North America!

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 9):
Not true, and BMW is inferior to many Japanese cars

Like I said, this thread could get interesting ....  Wink



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User currently offlineSJCRRPAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6403 times:

OK, here is my over generalization of the way Americans feel towards cars.

Americans love German cars but feel that they are too expensive and the quality not as good as the Japanese. Americans feel that the German cars perform very well and if you have more money than you know what to do with German cars are a good choice. Volkswagon has the reputation of being a lot of performance for the money but lower quality than Japanese cars.

Americans love American cars but feel the quality isn't as good as Japanese cars and cost more to own because the resale value is low. Americans also love American cars because they hire Americans, it's better for our economy, and are normally big, comfortable and a lot cheaper than German cars.

Americans love Japanese cars because they are the least expensive to own due to high resale value. Ameicans feel that the Japense cars are the highest quality, and in many cases perfom as well or better than German cars.

So, there you have it, Americans Love Cars but hate to ride in busses or other forms of public transist.


User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1340 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6401 times:
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Here are some random thoughts with no scientific research backing them up.....

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Thread starter):
Do Americans like German cars , or do they prefer American ones ??

Americans like German cars. I think most Americans would prefer to own a German car based upon the test drive experience only. However, some of the considerations below come into play when explaining why more German cars are not seen in the US. Many parts of the US are flooded with nice German cars while some towns have an extremely small precentage of foreign cars (regardless of origin).

German cars are substanitally more expensive to repair than German cars available in the States. These cars are also more expensive to purchase outright. The reliabilitiy of German cars is quite poor over the last several years (particularly with "systems" issues). A basic/common American car will almost certainly have better reliability than a VW (basically the entry level German car in the US).

A fair number of US buyers are not enthusiasts. For such buyers (on paper), US cars do offer a pretty striking value when looking at space, power, etc. However, I personally would argue that a more expensive Toyota represents better long term value than a cheaper (but similarly spec'd American car)

Many people I know (who shop for American cars) have a pretty good idea of what they are going to buy before they test drive a single vehicle (many times they will simply turn in the old XYZ model for the latest XYZ model every few years). Hell, I bought 2 cars in one year without a test drive.

Some people believe that it's their duty to buy an American vehicle. I've known a few people who fought in WWII and have sworn never to knowingly buy a German or Japanese product (although that must be pretty tough these days - however, I do respect their decision). Other shoppers buy American vehicles because they believe it supports their neighbor (or shows solidarity with a union). This is something else that I'd personally dispute as I can easily buy a Toyota (or Honda) made in America by Americans (which isn't always the case with American brands as some buyers might believe).

Something else to consider is that many German cars have more standard equipment in the US than one would expect in Europe (or at least this has been the case in the past). The growing list of common "standard" equipment in the US is actually creating greater value for those who wanted the equipment anyway ("most people"). However, the other effect of this is that the baseline price will also be higher and may discourage some buyers.

Finally, the pricing games that are played with American cars are a joke. Several months ago a dealer was selling the remaining stock of (new) 2006 Ford Tarus sedans for 45% off the sticker price. Under more normal negotiation circumstances, the negotiation room on domestic cars is generally higher than on foreign cars.

Personally, I'm a huge fan of the German car driving experience but am waiting until I have more money to spend on buying a higher performance German car. Until then I have a Mazda MX-5 and Lexus ES300 - Both quite reliable and better designed than any comprable American car. I'd never consider an American car apart from a full size truck or large SUV (if I thought I needed either) or C6 Vette. Giving it a second thought, I'm not sure that I'll even bother (eventually) with a German car considering the maintenance issues (and associated cost of repair).

Some of my contributions are probably obvious (and parallel rationalizations could exist for a number of other products/countries) - Others are probably limited in application and reflect only things I've observed personally.

I should add that I see a ton of German cars in the US. What information are you using to form your opinion (or your suggestion of doubt) that the US doesn't like German cars?



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User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3369 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6394 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 7):
Interesting ... but why do you name Ford , AFAIK Ford is American ...

Ford has a special design studio in Europe to cater to the European market. Of course Ford also has a seperate design studio for the US market.

That's why you won't find a Mondeo in the US, it was designed for Europe (I still think the Mondeo could do really well in the USA). Similarly, a lot of the Ford cars and trucks that are sold in the USA are not for sale in Europe. For instance, the F-150 is one of the best selling trucks in the USA, but as far as I know it is not available in Europe. If you desperately want one you will have to import it.

This design studio is also the reason why Ford is a big player in Europe. The other US players (cadilac, buick, dodge , Chrysler) are very rare because they build cars most Europeans don't want.



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6389 times:

Also, alot of of American car manufacturers like to use the terms "German engineered/designed or European engineered/designed" in their advertisements.


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User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6389 times:

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 16):

now that was a good resumee ...  Wink

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 15):
Also, this might shock you. VW is always a good 2 years behind when it comes to some cars in North America.

As said : embarrasing ...

Germany always brag saying that all over the world that the People admire Germany for his cars , and I experienced it like this in South America and European Countries , just in Japan I barely saw no German Car ...


User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1340 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6380 times:
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Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 18):
That's why you won't find a Mondeo in the US, it was designed for Europe (I still think the Mondeo could do really well in the USA).

Wasn't the Mondeo the same car as the (now discontinued) Ford Contour?

I am not stating this as fact but I do believe I've heard the above somewhere.



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User currently offlineRlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1086 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6376 times:

German cars are made for Germany. We drive fast here. A shit American car would never handel the typical German driver. Not being mean, just the truth. When I drive every day on the autobahn I never drive under 100mph and EVERYDAY (work day) I drive over 120mph. Howmany Americans can say that?




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User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6370 times:

Quoting Molykote (Reply 17):

Thank you Molykote for this long answer ! Very interesting ...

Quoting Molykote (Reply 17):

I should add that I see a ton of German cars in the US. What information are you using to form your opinion (or your suggestion of doubt) that the US doesn't like German cars?

NO just couriosity , and Pics and videos of the US where I never see a German car  Smile

Quoting Molykote (Reply 17):

German cars are substanitally more expensive to repair than German cars available in the States. These cars are also more expensive to purchase outright. The reliabilitiy of German cars is quite poor over the last several years (particularly with "systems" issues). A basic/common American car will almost certainly have better reliability than a VW (basically the entry level German car in the US).

Well bad for the German car makers if they build bad cars ... nobody will buy ...

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 19):
Also, alot of of American car manufacturers like to use the terms "German engineered/designed or European engineered/designed" in their advertisements.

Well Garmany has a good name in Technical skills


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6371 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 20):
Germany always brag saying that all over the world that the People admire Germany for his cars

America does like to brag about German cars, they are still a status symbol in many ways, even VW's. They just don't like to admit the German cars are better then their own ...  duck   Wink

Seriously though, it's hard to make a direct comparission with the MB, BMW, Audi, VW's in Europe with the ones here. For example, in Germany it is not hard to find a MB or BMW without air conditioning, but you won't find one in North America.

Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 18):
That's why you won't find a Mondeo in the US, it was designed for Europe (I still think the Mondeo could do really well in the USA).

As long as they would keep it to Euro specs, and not try to fit it to North American comfort levels. That's why it did so poorly here back in the 90s.



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25 Molykote : What you say may be 100% correct....... but seems to be off the topic of the OP's question. Were you responding to someone above? I don't think anyon
26 Post contains images LHStarAlliance : because of the Climate , you can´t survive in Arizona without Air Conditioning in Berlin yes ..
27 Post contains images LHStarAlliance : german bragging
28 Rlwynn : German cars are total overkill in America. They are not used as designed. Just the same as an American car here is way out of its league. And not used
29 ACDC8 : I'd rather live in Arizona with out a/c as opposed to Germany in the Summer. The humidity during a German summer is just brutal. Yes, I posted that i
30 Rlwynn : I guess that in America A good reliable Honda or Toyota is probably a better choice than an expensive BMW or Audi. Because it does not need to be dri
31 Sabena332 : Yeah, I also noticed that it is popular in the US of A. Last year I saw a TV ad for some Japanese car manufacturer on Fox, they also used a slogan li
32 Charles79 : Konstantin, Americans DO like German cars, no doubt about it. Quite a few folks here have given examples of poor reliability but overall German cars a
33 ACDC8 : Most of them are TDi's, and this is basically the only car available over here as a diesel. If VW were to import the new Polo Bluemotion, they'd sell
34 Rlwynn : Also, EVERY freeway (autobahn) has no speed limit. not just select ones.When you come in the middle of a city or around an interchange is where the s
35 LHStarAlliance : Interesting how good Japanese cars are doing ! The Japanese did the best cars - they deserve to sell most cars ... now one German Car builder needs t
36 Post contains images Sabena332 : VW's DSG kicks seriously ass! Let me know when you have a few hours to waste in the afternoon, we could meet for a bit spotting at DUS and a beer aft
37 Post contains images LHStarAlliance : Man that´s what I love in Germany , when I´ve got my driver's license I´ll go straight to the BMW ""shop" (how do you call it ??) and buy a good M
38 ACDC8 : The A40 has a speedlimit the whole length.
39 ACDC8 : Interestingly though, Japanese cars, with the exception of Toyota, don't have that good of a reputation in Germany, but that trend is changing.
40 Post contains links and images LHStarAlliance : look at this beauty ! My future car !
41 Rlwynn : Can I come? Düsseldorf to Venlo in a A8 would only be about 20 minutes away.
42 Molykote : I don't know that they are total overkill. One can enjoy the good driving behavior of a higher end German car without nearing top speed. I grew up in
43 Post contains images Sabena332 : Interesting, I thought that VW Diesels are not available in the USA. Last February I drove the Jetta of my best friend's cousin from Sacramento to So
44 Flight152 : Would you like to back this comment with some actual facts or experiences? If not, your comment means nothing.
45 Rlwynn : That can not be. I know from Duisburg to the Netherlands border is wide open. I do it at least once a month. Now through Essen and Gelsenkirchen to D
46 Post contains images Sabena332 : Of course! A trip to Venlo is a bloody good idea actually! I can not promise the A8 but I will try my best. Patrick
47 Post contains images ACDC8 : I'm not sure about the US, but for 2007 and I believe 2008, TDi's are not available in Canada (with the exception of the Touraeg), partly due to "env
48 Dtwclipper : Well bully for you! Considering that the US Interstate system is 46,837 miles (75,376 km) and the German Autobahn is only 11,000 km (6,800 miles) in
49 Rlwynn : I bet you will change your tune after a few hours on the autobahn. A high speed drive will make your pulse race as fast as the car. Edit, I forgot to
50 ACDC8 : They could have changed it in recent years, there was a speedlimit zone from Moers to the NL Grenze with a tempolimit of 120km/h which was in 2004.
51 Dtwclipper : I can think a few other ways to get my pulse racing thank you!
52 MCOflyer : Your own opinion. BMW's are great for business and good for security but I prefer the Lexus. The SC430 is a nice car that can easily do 100+mph. I kn
53 Post contains images LHStarAlliance : ................ Well go to sleep now ! Enjoy discussing ! Bye !
54 Rlwynn : No, not bully for me. It is just the big difference in driving here or there. This is the whole point of this thread. German cars in America are nice
55 Charles79 : Do try your best! LOL! I'm actually going to stay in Heidelberg with some relatives of my bf but we are going up to the Ruhr area for the last 2-3 da
56 Post contains images Sabena332 : ...but I admit, I am a big automatic fan as well! Let me know when you are at DUS and I'll try my best to be there together with the A8. Patrick
57 Flight152 : I don't see what the big deal is? I've seen Cavalier's and Geo Metro's do 100; albeit not eloquently. The SC430 is an overweight turd.[Edited 2007-05
58 Post contains links Travelin man : I have nothing but good things to say about my Audi A3, which I've had for about a year and a half. No unscheduled maintenance or problems of any kin
59 LHStarAlliance : sure .. no problem ...
60 T56A15 : The thing that impressed me with the two Audis I have owned (90 Audi 80 and a 91 200) is the quality of the body. Both cars were 10 years old when I b
61 ACDC8 : Many US cars are capable of doing 100mph +, but due to their poor handling capabilities, I wouldn't risk it. I drove my dad's Buick Century down to V
62 Flight152 : Oh, i'm aware. I was referring to the poster who was gloating about the not-so-great Lexus SC430. I've taken my E46 3-series to 120mph a few times, i
63 Post contains images ACDC8 : Sorry, wasn't trying to imply anything ...
64 Post contains images Sabena332 : Two weeks ago in a Golf - which is one of the company cars of my best friend's father - on the A33 between Paderborn and some junction to the A44 in
65 ACDC8 : No doubt, I took the GTI out for a spin, but can't afford it yet, so I had to settle for the Golf 4. Oh well, still a great car to drive. How well ar
66 Post contains images Aloges : I third that, I was on the A7 this morning for but a moment. I wanted to pass a few cars so as not to get stuck behind them once I got on the slip ro
67 LTBEWR : Don't forget that some 'German' cars in the North American market are actually made in the USA or Mexico. M-B makes the M series SUV in Alabama. BMW m
68 Post contains images Sabena332 : The new Golf is expensive as hell! Actually I know nobody who bought one, all of my friends who drive a Golf V have it sponsored by Mum & Dad or stop
69 Post contains images AC773 : Actually, a slight correction on that. North-American bound Jettas and new Beetles are indeed manufactured at the Puebla facility, but all Golfs/Rabb
70 DeltaDC9 : BS, total BS. Obviously you have never driven on the Kennedy in Chicago, or the 75 between Chicago and Detroit much less the Interstates, especially
71 SJCRRPAX : AC is vital for making the defroster work properly. A luxury car should never be sold without it even in cold climates. I real dumb move buying a MB
72 SJCRRPAX : I can not decide if you are a troll or totally uninformed. Your knowledge of America, American Cars, and Japanese Cars is non existant. BTW, I have w
73 Flight152 : I don't know why you keep saying this. In addition to last year's World car of the year, they can't keep them in the dealerships. Well my family's tw
74 Aerobalance : I like my '07 335i, it does everything well. It feels like I'm driving a car and not an appliance. My g/f ditched her Maxima for a '07 328i, very nice
75 Post contains images Falstaff : Must have never worked on a BMW 3 series from the 80s. The BOSCH K-Jetronic fuel injection system known as CIS was known by mechanics as Continuous I
76 Flymia : There are alot of German cars in the US. I drive one, my parents drive one, alot of my friends drive German cars. I drive a VW and my parents drive me
77 Charles79 : That's perhaps my biggest gripe with Japanese cars, they look like appliances. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, they work just fine for folks that do
78 Aerobalance : My comment was directed towards the driving experience, they took out all road feel, steering is bland, brakes are non-linear, jounce and rebound in
79 LHMARK : I just bought a car last November, and I had fully planned on picking up a VW. I considered the Rabbit (golf), GTI, and Eos convertible. However, afte
80 MCOflyer : Its more stable than a metro and cavalier at those speeds. My dad owned a 740 and it was nice. But the ride was too stiff. MCOflyer
81 Post contains images Aloges : Now there's a positive side effect if I've ever heard of one! Careful, you'll get LOT767-andsoon in here proclaiming that nothing you could ever fit
82 Post contains links SJCRRPAX : If it doesn't take the humidity out of the air, the defroster is mediocre at best. Melting ice is only 1/2 of the job of a defroster, the other job i
83 DeltaDC9 : The recent 3 series was the most problematic of any BMW the techs could remember. Nothing fundementally serious like with the VWs, but IIRC about 1/3
84 Aloges : As per that link you provided, an EU commissioner voiced his fantasies of a general speed limit in Germany in an interview with the Sunday edition of
85 Post contains images ACDC8 : It's always been that way, but I thought with the new style the sales might pick up. I guess it's still the same for the Passat as well then, more co
86 NoUFO : Oh yes, very sought after in Venezuela and Cuba where almost everyone but the altruistic political leaders can afford one. They ARE incredibly stupid
87 Aloges : Honestly, I'd love to know the Autobahn you drive on...
88 Falstaff : You will not find a luxury car without A/C. The point I was trying to make is back when MBs were sold without A/C they were not luxury cars. Some whe
89 Post contains images ACDC8 : My mistake, the Polo sedan in the '90s had the Polo name.... Thanks for pointing the error of my ways Aloges .... Here's the difference, 130km/h is t
90 SJCRRPAX : Many Japanese Cars force the user to manually turn on the AC. American Car companies figured out that Americans aren't smart enough to turn on the AC
91 Post contains images ACDC8 : That it was. I still snicker everytime I see one. Don't know why, I just do ..... I'm trying to keep my thoughts on this side of the '80s ....
92 DeltaDC9 : Thank you voice of reason. No, we were looking at one in 2004. I was upset at the complete lack of MB diesels and checked out the VWs. There are two
93 Rlwynn : Um, I am American. I have lived here for 4 years now. I am extremely informed. Here is an example. In January I flew to LA and got a nice American Ni
94 DeltaDC9 : Yes there is, you just dont know where.
95 Rlwynn : So tell me smart boy.
96 ACDC8 : Please, do enlighten me as to the where abouts of these posts. Doesn't change the fact that the driving styles in the US and Germany are different. Y
97 DeltaDC9 : I am sure in all of your 4 years you have had plenty of time to explore all 50 states and figured that out. You are extreeemly informed. Again, not a
98 Rlwynn : My 4 years of what? Living in Germany? or my 37 years of living the USA in which there are only a handful of states that I have not driven in. I have
99 Charles79 : Having driven in both Germany and the US, I see the following differences: 1. Cars sold in Europe are tuned for higher speeds, even American cars sol
100 Post contains images Aloges : I did...? Well, wonders never cease!
101 Viscount724 : In Germany today (and for as long as I can remember) I would guess that at least 75% of taxis are MBs, currently mostly the E-class. Just for info, t
102 Post contains images Falstaff : I never thought to try that. I will have to give it a try one day on an old car. Of course when driving these cars now people rarely take them out in
103 Post contains images Cfalk : The EU had better not insist on posting speed limits on the Germans. World War III might be the result. Germans are by nature a pretty disciplined bu
104 FlyMIA : People in American still drive fast. I will drive over 100mph just about every 2 days. When the highways are not filled up it is easy to hit speeds o
105 Post contains images ACDC8 : Please, do inform me. I'm still waiting for a reply to a few of your other statements in another thread when I asked you to explain your reasoning or
106 Marquis : Konstantin, how could make assumptions about the overall quality of a car when have not even driven a single car to date?
107 KaiGywer : The VW dealer in town said the Beetle is made in Mexico, and the Golf (Rabbit) in Brazil. The Passat and Touareg are German.
108 SJCRRPAX : OK, that explains it, first I thought you were German, than I thought you had immigrated and lived in America for four years. Sometimes those country
109 Post contains images Mdsh00 : Yeah Maybach is around, just not too much because of cost. Well I guess now you know the truth. I'd take it easy with that statement because a good J
110 Falstaff : I got to drive one of those at the Mercedes-Benz Club of America national convention (known as Star Fest) in 2004. What a great car. I doubt I will e
111 MCOflyer : My Suzuki requires me to do this. Is this a division of Chrysler? Overall, I would buy a VW anyday over a BMW. The BMW M series is the only BMW I wou
112 Superfly : LHStarAlliance: I know I am coming in late in to this thread. As you can see above, German cars are widely available here in the United States. Person
113 AC773 : No, you're partly wrong (Everything is explained in my post, #69). The Golfs/Rabbits/GTIs destined for the North/South American market were manufactu
114 Aloges : Nope, but a division of Mercedes Car Group which is a division of DaimlerChrysler. So if that disaster of a merger is broken up again, Maybach will r
115 Superfly : Key word, "image". Mercedes is very clever to give Mercedes buyers in the USA a strictly luxury brand identity. My old Rabbit had an air conditioner
116 Mham001 : Consumer Reports has consistently rated German cars less reliable that Japanese-for years. Recently, the American cars have been rating fewer problem
117 Post contains images Aloges : That must be because you lot don't know how to handle proper technology!
118 Superfly : I don't have any links at the moment but DeltaDC9 has a point. Of the older BMW/Mercedes/Audi drivers, they are usually there own mechanic, have a go
119 RwSEA : It really depends on what part of the country you live in, but German cars are definitely very popular on the west coast. I see tons of BMWs, VWs, and
120 LHStarAlliance : I think Japanese cars are so bought because of the price , I think most Japanese car drivers would love to have a German car but it´s too expensive
121 Post contains images Superfly : Same thing here in the San Francisco Bay Area. Also, the mid-west has great taste in cars and stick to buying American. I can remember when autoworke
122 Superfly : I have an aunt that has a ton of money. She finally dumped her Mercedes E320 for a Toyota Avalon. She was sick in tired of being stranded and high re
123 Post contains images SJCRRPAX : Doubt it. Japanese car owners are fanatics. Honda owners are the worst. Honda owners worship their cars, and believe that all Hondas last 1,000,000 m
124 NoUFO : Those consumer reports have some flaws, though. Sometimes they compare Mexican made VW's with Japanese import cars (no offense to Mexicans here), or
125 Rlwynn : Japanese cars are the most reliable cars in the world. Here in Germany included. They are selling more and more here. The problem here is the image an
126 Rlwynn : What about Mercedes S-class Mercedes E- Class Mercedes M-Class Mercedes G-Class Every Jeep Chrysler 300 Chrysler Caravan Audi A8 Audi A6 Audi Q Serie
127 ArniePie : I don't know about prices in Germany but these days there is no such thing as a cheap Japanese car besides Nissan and Mazda. Many Toyota and Honda mo
128 AC773 : Yeah, but that was back in a time when American cars were actually made in America and imports were actually imported. These days, the patriotic deci
129 Post contains images JJJ : He was probably refering to trucks like the Actros rather than the Sprinter/Viano/etc.
130 LHStarAlliance : Well I lived in BCN the last 2 years and the Actros was Actros there
131 Rlwynn : Besides the Corvette, Viper or Chrysler 300 Which ones are you talking about?
132 SJCRRPAX : Assembly can be quite a bit different than who owns the company, which sub contractors they use, who designs the car and where all the high value job
133 JJJ : Of course, I'm sure the Actros is the same worldwide. What I meant with my post is that when Superfly said Mercedes made trucks he was most probably
134 Post contains images Rlwynn : Here you go. A Caddy Diesel. On sale now.
135 Post contains images Superfly : None of the above are availible here in the USA or at least in California as a diesel. Glad to see Cadillac using diesels again. The last time Cadill
136 Post contains images Rlwynn : Yesterday i took a nice drive down the A3 toward Frankfurt. This has to be the fastest autobahn here. When I took this picture I was going 160kph or 1
137 Post contains images Rlwynn : There was some talk of closuer speeds in this thread. This is the A45 a 2 lane autobahn. I am following the C-Class wagon at more than 100mph while th
138 Aerobalance : I'm looking forward to my vist to Germany in July! I will be lapping the Nurburgring in a BMW, can't wait!
139 Post contains images Rlwynn : 100mph Check out how low the redline is. Skoda Octavia 1.9l tdi.
140 Marquis : Another inferior engine was the optional '79 120 hp V8 diesel, which was not able to withstand the inappropriate usage by the customers (starting the
141 Superfly : Marquis: Thanks man. I figured it was something along those lines. Here in California, our foolish emission laws prohibit swaping a gas engine for a d
142 MCOflyer : Agreed. I wish my suzuki was diesel powered as the gas mileage sucks. The only diesel SUV are the Liberty and Grand Cherokee and select mercedes ones
143 Post contains images ArniePie : You are taking only top range models here but you should compare average day cars IMHO. So let's see basically almost all cars I rented in the US whe
144 Cfalk : Thanks to the hugely powerful trucking industry in the US, which has fought the introduction of diesel fuel in the US with a higher cetane rating, we
145 FlyMIA : There are plenty Charger SRT8 Jeep SRT8 Ram SRT8, Cadillac has a few supercharged V8 sedans and coupes. Cobalt SS, Ford Mustang GT500 and ofcourse th
146 ACDC8 : Almost every car offered in Europe has an availabe diesel engine. A trend we may start slowly seeing coming to North America?
147 JJJ : Sorry but the Mustang is a rattling POS. Good for showing muscle but unacceptably unstable at high speeds (100+). I'm talking about Hertz models driv
148 Lhstaralliance : are the jeeps build by Mercedes ??
149 JJJ : Jeeps are built by Jeep in Detroit, the 3.0 V6 CRD engine is made by MB in Marienfelde, Berlin. Grand Cherokees for the euro market are also assemble
150 LHStarAlliance : Also the engines for the US Jeeps ??
151 Rlwynn : Just the Diesels. But the Euro Wrangler has a VM Motori Diesel.
152 ZBBYLW : I would hesitate to but a 300 up there, my mother has the 300C and I mean its quick and all, but at speed (over 150kph) it starts to get slightly int
153 Post contains images SJCRRPAX : The 300c is a Luxury/Near Luxury car meant for older people who reached a more mature age by not doing stupid things like driving above 150kph. Belie
154 ZBBYLW : I do realize that, however the highway that I do travel fast on (excess of 200kph) is in the middle of farm land, and I know as a fact that their are
155 Post contains images Sabena332 : The 1.9l TDI was a great engine by VW, a friend had it in his Seat Cordoba some years ago, it was absolutely no problem to drive 220 kph with it. Oh
156 ACDC8 : Driving faster then 150km/h is not stupid, period! It is stupid if you are driving these speeds under less than ideal road/traffic/weather conditions
157 ABQ747 : Maybe a few years ago. Ford and GM have have really improved their material and build quality. The only one lagging behind is Chrysler. Nobody seems
158 Marquis : I definitely have to second that ACDC8. It can be perfectly save to travel at 250km/h on a uncongested freeway in perfect conditions (weather and roa
159 DeltaDC9 : Never driven a Cobra I suspect. Diesels have come and gone and now need to come again. I think the only MB available is the 320 and only in limited s
160 JJJ : Obviously it was the base model.
161 DeltaDC9 : Yes, just ribbin ya. I had a V6 Mustang as a loaner when they were replacing my Cobra engine. I swear you could not tell it was the same model.
162 ZBBYLW : Why did they have to replace the engine?? I have had the opportunity to drive in a SVT Cobra (as pax) and I would say it is one of the faster cars I
163 Theredbaron : German cars are way better than American Cars, that is why you can see tons of them on California, even Rabbits (Golfs) in base config and with the ho
164 Post contains images ACDC8 : You assuming that I (or anyone for that matter) know nothing about American cars, etc. simply because I (or we) have different views then yours makes
165 DeltaDC9 : What in the hell are you talking about? 96 Cobra that we sold in 2002 to buy our Trans Am. Nightmare situation, wife took it to the dealer for an oil
166 ACDC8 : The block didn't come from Ferrari, the block was produced by Teksid, which is a company the builds engine blocks for various car manufactureres, Fer
167 DeltaDC9 : Sorry, should have said sourcer, our problem was that they would not give Fords small order priority over a job for Ferarri. In the end they actually
168 ACDC8 : Cobra's have a notorious reputation for long service times, which is a shame. But I guess that's the price you pay for having premium product. Person
169 SCCutler : So don't buy a shit American car; buy a good one, of which there are plenty. I love the German car driving experience, always have. Drove two Audis a
170 Post contains images MauriceB : Well the main point is that European's prefer comfort and the nice looks, in America its all about the size and speed. If you look at the VW's in the
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