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VS Showing Film Claiming 9/11 Was A Conspiracy  
User currently offlineWindowplease From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 73 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2957 times:

I was staggered to find out that VS is showing the cretinous "documentary" Loose Change 2 as an inflight movie. This film is a piece of rubbish that gives credence to the view that some kind of sinister conspiracy lurked behind the attacks. What next? Handing out the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion as inflight reading?

Here's how it's billed on the website....

LOOSE CHANGE 2:

Warning: Contains disturbing scenes.

Was 9/11 a government set up? You decide.

Everyone's talking about it so we thought you'd like to see the film that started out as a home movie and became one of the most downloaded documentaries of all time. Was 9/11 a government set up? Were the twin towers brought down in a controlled explosion for an insurance payday? These questions and more are posed in this controversial film, seen by millions, derided by many. Now it's your chance to make up your own mind.

Here's the link:

http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/us...tainment/tv/documentarylisting.jsp

Would love to know what the F/A and flight crew who might have had friends or colleagues on board the four planes that day might feel.....

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User currently offlineFlyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2948 times:

Quoting Windowplease (Thread starter):
Would love to know what the F/A and flight crew who might have had friends or colleagues on board the four planes that day might feel.....

Relieved that someone is talking about it. It's there aircraft they can show what they want, if you don't like it don't fly with them.



"None are more hopelessly enslaved, than those who falsly believe they are free" -Goethe
User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

Like it says ..."Now it's your chance to make up your own mind."

If it is such "a piece of rubbish" then what's the problem?

If you watch it, and decide it's total BS, then problem solved.

I've seen plenty of other rubbish shown on flights.


Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2891 times:

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 2):
Like it says ..."Now it's your chance to make up your own mind."

If it is such "a piece of rubbish" then what's the problem?

If you watch it, and decide it's total BS, then problem solved.

I've seen plenty of other rubbish shown on flights.

For what it's worth, the guy that made this "documentary" has said in interviews that he was originally trying to put together a fictional mockumentary-type film, but instead was having so much fun, he decided to try to really convince people that it was all a conspiracy.

Sure, let 'em show whatever they want, but they really ought to print this out and distribute it with it:

http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html



New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2891 times:

Loose Change barley fits the definition of documantary. They are so full of factaul errors, inconsitancies and out right lies as to be laufable. The problem is that there are plenty of people who will buy into what they say without giving it a second thought.

User currently offlineDSMflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2865 times:

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 4):
They are so full of factaul errors, inconsitancies and out right lies as to be laufable

Don't they cite Wikipedia as a source at one point? That's what I've heard anyway. That in itself is laughable.


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2857 times:

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 4):
Loose Change barley fits the definition of documantary. They are so full of factaul errors, inconsitancies and out right lies as to be laufable. The problem is that there are plenty of people who will buy into what they say without giving it a second thought.

So it should be censored??

If there are stupid people around that believe it, then let them. That's the beauty of living in the 'free world' versus North Korea.


Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

Their next idea is to play random YouTube videos throughout the flight. Just about the same quality videos as any of the "Loose Change" "movies."

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 6):
So it should be censored??

No, but VS should have enough common sense not to play it.

But I guess anything is better than the "Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants" type crap I always seem to get as the in flight movie.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

Personally I think its in bad taste, but then so is Big Momma's House part 2.

User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

I'd just kind of find it disturbing to watch a film about high jacked aircraft flying into buildings on my LHR-JFK flight.

UAL


User currently offlineWindowplease From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

Of course they can show what they like. But I can spend my money with whom I like, too. It's just made me even more determined not to put any of mine or my firm's money their way.

That and the surly staff, huge lines at LHR and the worst seat pitch of any long haul airline.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 10):
I'd just kind of find it disturbing to watch a film about high jacked aircraft flying into buildings on my LHR-JFK flight.

Good point, I've always thought airlines just stayed away from all films having to do with aviation disasters.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2684 times:

Ironic isn't it? Richard Branson, the man who claims everything against him is a conspiracy (hello, BA!!) is proudly showing a 9/11-was-a-conspiracy movie on his planes.

As to the "movie" itself, if it was the ONLY thing showing, I'd have a problem with it, but if it's one of many choices (like a Direct TV set-up), I wouldn't be as concerned, personally.



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User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2645 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 8):
Quoting Bond007 (Reply 6):
So it should be censored??

No, but VS should have enough common sense not to play it.

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Quoting Newark777 (Reply 8):
But I guess anything is better than the "Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants" type crap I always seem to get as the in flight movie.

But those movies are known as fantasies.


User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

Quoting Windowplease (Reply 11):
That and the surly staff

I've flown them for 20 years or so and, in general, they are pleasant and helpful

Quoting Windowplease (Reply 11):
huge lines at LHR

That's because they are popular and T3 isn't a good place to have to work from.

Quoting Windowplease (Reply 11):
the worst seat pitch of any long haul airline.

What sort of tape measure are you using and just how tall did you say you were?


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 6):
So it should be censored??

If there are stupid people around that believe it, then let them. That's the beauty of living in the 'free world' versus North Korea.

Did I say anything about censorship? No I did not. What I did do was point out what garbage Loose Change really is.


User currently offlineKevi747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1058 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

Quoting Flyorski (Reply 1):
Relieved that someone is talking about it. It's there aircraft they can show what they want, if you don't like it don't fly with them.



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 2):
Like it says ..."Now it's your chance to make up your own mind."

If it is such "a piece of rubbish" then what's the problem?

If you watch it, and decide it's total BS, then problem solved.

I've seen plenty of other rubbish shown on flights.

I think you guys are seriously missing the point.

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 8):
But I guess anything is better than the "Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants" type crap I always seem to get as the in flight movie.

Fair enough.  laughing 

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 10):
I'd just kind of find it disturbing to watch a film about high jacked aircraft flying into buildings on my LHR-JFK flight.

Finally, someone states the glaringly obvious. Most people don't want to watch videos of airplanes crashing while riding on airplanes. It's unsettling. Almost as unsettling as the number of deluded fools who actually believe these conspiracy theories are true.



"Reality has a well-known liberal bias." --Stephen Colbert
User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 7):
Their next idea is to play random YouTube videos throughout the flight.

Now I would be a huuuuge fan of that!



Sometimes we don't realize the good times when we're in them
User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2491 times:

Quoting Kevi747 (Reply 17):
Finally, someone states the glaringly obvious. Most people don't want to watch videos of airplanes crashing while riding on airplanes. It's unsettling. Almost as unsettling as the number of deluded fools who actually believe these conspiracy theories are true.

If you don't want to watch it .... then guess what? Don't watch it. It contains a warning, and it's obvious what the 'documentary' is about.

There are 7 or 8 TV channels, plus movies and games aren't there?

It's like people complaining that Jerry Springer is such crap ... it's only on TV because people watch it, and because of that, it attracts advertisers ... if nobody watched it, it wouldn't be around!

Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlinePhilb From Ireland, joined May 1999, 2915 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

Quoting Kevi747 (Reply 17):
Most people don't want to watch videos of airplanes crashing while riding on airplanes. It's unsettling.

I remember reading a number of accident reports on a trans Atlantic flight prior to a meeting I had regarding a safety conference.

The guy next to me got a little spooked as I left them on my seat when I went to the loo and he obviously took a look. He actually asked me why I was reading them during a flight - he made it obvious he didn't think it appropriate.

Just goes to prove some adults never get over superstition and pointless fears in just the same way that people get needlessly exercised over the showing of this film..

In a truly adult world the viewers would be able to make an adult decision about its veracity and its motives - or just not watch it at all - no-one's forcing them.


User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

It's being shown on a PERSONAL screen, that means if you don't like the film you don't have to watch it. That said are they going to edit out the scenes of the plane crashes????

User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2379 times:

Quoting Windowplease (Thread starter):
I was staggered to find out that VS is showing the cretinous "documentary" Loose Change 2 as an inflight movie. This film is a piece of rubbish that gives credence to the view that some kind of sinister conspiracy lurked behind the attacks. What next? Handing out the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion as inflight reading?

Im surprised VS has sunk to this low level.

Quoting Flyorski (Reply 1):
Relieved that someone is talking about it.

"Relieved someone is talking about it"?? You cant be seriously suggesting that the US government would murder 3,000+ of it's own people.

If you do, I have some great beachfront propery in Kansas you can buy.....



One Nation Under God
User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 21):
It's being shown on a PERSONAL screen, that means if you don't like the film you don't have to watch it. That said are they going to edit out the scenes of the plane crashes????

That's like trying to edit all graphic war scenes out of Saving Private Ryan. Doesn't leave much of a movie left.  Wink

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 2):
Like it says ..."Now it's your chance to make up your own mind."

If it is such "a piece of rubbish" then what's the problem?

If you watch it, and decide it's total BS, then problem solved.

I've seen plenty of other rubbish shown on flights.

"An Inconvenient Truth" and its origins comes to mind. What started out as an idea concocted to thwart a certain segment of political power has roller-coastered into something far more powerful. As a previous discussion revealed, there are a lot of people who aren't interested in facts.

That is the problem.

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 6):
So it should be censored??

No, if Virgin wants to promote acceptibility of this conspiracy then they should be free to do so. "We" can then make up "our" minds whether to support Virgin in its efforts to promote this conspiracy by flying them or not. That way everyone's happy.


25 Cedarjet : Why are you so upset? I'm inclined to believe the official version, mainly because of Occam's Raazor and because the Saudis had plenty of reason to h
26 Aerofan : Of for crikes sale!!!!! focus people!!!!!!!! the things some of you people get on about!!!!!!! i can only but wonder sometimes if your lives are devoi
27 Post contains images EA772LR : "If you do, I have some great beachfront propery in Kansas you can buy....." well said DAYflyer. Regardless of having a choice to believe it or a choi
28 Post contains images MD80fanatic : You mean they are going to edit out the original edits? Just seeing the number sequence 911 evokes visuals of crashing planes anyway.....so why edit
29 Philb : This thread proves one thing. There are a great number of people in the US and some in the UK who feel VERY insecure when the official line is challen
30 Post contains images Newark777 : Because we have common sense and don't appreciate people that don't. Simple as that. Harry
31 IcLCY : Are you the spawn of Mary Whitehouse? Its called free choice. You have the choice to watch it or not. No one is making you watch it. Personally my mo
32 MD80fanatic : But Harry......common sense is just that, common. Some have made the leap beyond the common to find loose threads all throughout the story. Occam's Ra
33 Post contains images Newark777 : But who's the one doing the deceiving, Loose Change or the Government? As far as we know, Loose Change is the one with tons of holes in their story a
34 BlueShamu330s : Ahhh, and there's the rub. You're not just pissed that Virgin dare to, what you probably perceive as, challenge the establishment (I bet you believe
35 JFK787NYC : Virgin should not be showing this show. Especially when they have so many people flying on the plane heading to or from New York. I could expect this
36 Philb : Its called FREEDOM - something that is going down the pan in Bush's USA. Wake up smell the coffee before it's too late.
37 AADC10 : What is the problem with showing "Loose Change" on the plane? Obviously it is entertaining enough for some people to put it on the entertainment syste
38 MDorBust : The US government caused Hurricane Katrina?
39 Post contains images BlueShamu330s : How eruditely put, sir ! It's almost a Frankie Howard moment, " Infamy, Infamy, they've all got it In For Me!! " Shamu ps to Philb, not forgotten to
40 Post contains links AndesSMF : It is completely different. JFK was not labeled as a documentary. Loose Change is: "The central premise of Loose Change is that the United States Gov
41 FlyKev : Considering its on the V:Port system, I can't see why it would bother you. yes, its a bunch of *bleep* and is in poor taste on VS's behalf, but as peo
42 Post contains images BlueShamu330s : My goodness, from some of the arguments on this thread, "the Queen" should never have been released either. I thought in these, so called, frought tim
43 MD80fanatic : Both and neither, who knows? I'm afraid the "official" side has not been completely forthcoming with evidence, considering the magnitude of the event
44 AC773 : I would! It doesn't take much to beat 80% of the crap they show on some IFE systems.
45 Newark777 : It must be convenient to ignore what has been said and create your own reality. Like what Loose Change has done. In fact, if you read, people are jus
46 MD80fanatic : 98% of the movies is my growing collection are ones where the director "created their own reality" (aka fiction), is this reason to not show it? So t
47 Post contains images Newark777 : I was speaking more of him putting words in previous posters' mouths, not the content of the film. I'm all for getting rid of political correctness.
48 BlueShamu330s : Oh really? The whole intonation of the OP's post seems to centre on the fact that the OP regards the content as both purile and damaging; he believes
49 Post contains links and images Gojetset : Does anyone know if this is being shown in conjunction with the Short Film Festival Virgin is offering the next couple of months? http://v-flyer.com/p
50 LTBEWR : To me, VS is showing substantual irresponsibility in having such an outlandish film available on an air flight for pax. Passangers of VS who see such
51 BlueShamu330s : What is substantially irresponsible about it? The fact that it challenges your doctrine, the fact that it dares to ask a question, the fact that it r
52 Newark777 : If anything, it has emboldened public opinion against these filmmakers. And you are giving these filmmakers way too much credit, it is just a flashy
53 AndesSMF : Simple: Trying to pass fiction as fact. I don't think so. It has emboldened others to pass the responsibility for 9/11 to the wrong parties and allow
54 BlueShamu330s : It is your own opinion that the film is fiction, which I respect. This is all about the freedom to express an opinion, and the freedom for one to cho
55 FCA767 : The one thing that tells me it's not a conspiracy is the fact that, Usama himself said he was responsible so that's it for me
56 AndesSMF : A quick study of the 'facts' presented by the film show it to be mostly a work of fiction. Plus this: Sure, but at least have some scientific facts t
57 Cedarjet : Not exactly but they didn't do a thing to protect the city or maintain the levies. More to the point, the lack of response shows beyond doubt that th
58 TedTAce : I USED to believe that there was a conspiracy, but not in the tin hat 'they had explosives' and remote controlled aircraft way. I USED to think that 9
59 Post contains images BlueShamu330s : ....and paranoia strikes again I think if you re-read my contributions to this thread, I have not once suggested that the US government shoulders any
60 Newark777 : And with all due respect, many of their facts have been disproved in many publications, so it's not about opinions. I have no problem with them being
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