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HS Basketball Players Arrested For Raping Teammate  
User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

In the Portland subburb of Molalla, arrests have been made after there were allegations that players from the school's varsity boys basketball team raped a boy on the freshman team...

This story is just flat out shocking to me. I'm just amazed this sort of thing would happen...

http://www.kgw.com/news-local/storie..._high_school_arrests.2edb756d.html

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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2906 times:

Christ.

Kids today scare me.


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Thread starter):
I'm just amazed this sort of thing would happen...

Amazed, hardly. That's what justice is here to do. Hopefully it will be swift and the maximum. What gives anyone the right to violate anyone else?



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2867 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 2):
Amazed, hardly. That's what justice is here to do. Hopefully it will be swift and the maximum. What gives anyone the right to violate anyone else?

What's more...The 17 and 18 year olds are charged as adults...They're gonna be put in the state pen in Salem...And I know a guy that is a guard there...The child rapists are given a very warm welcome there. I have a feeling they'll get to feel the same pain they inflicted on that poor kid soon.


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2834 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 3):
The 17 and 18 year olds are charged as adults

They should be. They did an adult crime, they do the adult time.

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 3):
I have a feeling they'll get to feel the same pain they inflicted on that poor kid soon.

Boo friggin' hoo.  redflag  Don't want to feel that type of pain, humiliation and punishment? Don't do the crime. It really is that simple. They made choices (and chose poorly).

Serves them right.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 4):
They should be. They did an adult crime, they do the adult time.

Nonsense. A 17 year old is a child in the eyes of the law, and should be treated as such.


User currently offlineTZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2868 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2813 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 5):
A 17 year old is a child in the eyes of the law, and should be treated as such.

I believe the real eyes of the law see them as Adults, not children.

So...nonsense



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User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 5):
Nonsense. A 17 year old is a child in the eyes of the law, and should be treated as such.

I'm guessing the 17 year olds had just as much cognizance of what they were doing as the legally adult 18 year olds. Charge them as adults, I say.



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2791 times:

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 6):
I believe the real eyes of the law see them as Adults, not children.



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 7):
I'm guessing the 17 year olds had just as much cognizance of what they were doing as the legally adult 18 year olds. Charge them as adults, I say.

The law doesn't see them old enough to vote, hence they are children.


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2785 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 8):
The law doesn't see them old enough to vote, hence they are children.

The law has specific criteria for treating them as adults, they've met those criteria, hence they are adults.



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 9):

The law has specific criteria for treating them as adults, they've met those criteria, hence they are adults.

But they, as children, have no say in the law. If you want to try 17 year olds as adults, give them the vote.


User currently offlineTZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2868 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2750 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 10):
But they, as children, have no say in the law.

Does anyone really have any say in any laws?

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 10):
If you want to try 17 year olds as adults, give them the vote.

Why? I'm 17 and think this is done the way it should. Most kids who are 17 and do things against the law almost always get treated at kids. These kids did something so wrong that they deserved to be tried as an adult and reap the rewards.



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2749 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 3):
What's more...The 17 and 18 year olds are charged as adults...They're gonna be put in the state pen in Salem

The 17yr old won't be going to Salem until he's 18, which by the time all the legal proceedings occur he will be. By the time all the plea bargaining who knows what the final charge will be.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 5):
Nonsense. A 17 year old is a child in the eyes of the law, and should be treated as such.

Not so much there buddy.

I believe that fifteen is the age for criminal prosecution as an adult in Oregon.

Could be wrong by a year.

Anyone from Oregon?

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 8):
The law doesn't see them old enough to vote, hence they are children.

Legal scholar you are not.


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 10):
If you want to try 17 year olds as adults, give them the vote.

If you are 17 and you rape someone, then you should be charged as an adult. Voting and raping are two different things. Rape is an adult crime. Subject to adult rules.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 13):
I believe that fifteen is the age for criminal prosecution as an adult in Oregon.

Could be wrong by a year.

Anyone from Oregon?

It's 14 in Oregon. Kip Kinkel was 15 when he did the school shootings in Springfield in 1998 and he was tried as adult. The only thing that being under 18 but charged as an adult spares you from is the death penalty.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9805/21/school.shooting.oregon.law/index.html



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 11):
Why? I'm 17 and think this is done the way it should. Most kids who are 17 and do things against the law almost always get treated at kids. These kids did something so wrong that they deserved to be tried as an adult and reap the rewards.

So then why aren't 17 year olds treated as adults by the state when they're doing things right?

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 11):
Does anyone really have any say in any laws?

Yes.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 12):
The 17yr old won't be going to Salem until he's 18, which by the time all the legal proceedings occur he will be.

Ridiculous argument. If a five year old 'commits murder' should the state wait 13 years before prosecuting him?

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 13):
Legal scholar you are not.

Good at grammar you are not.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 13):
Not so much there buddy.

I believe that fifteen is the age for criminal prosecution as an adult in Oregon.

Are 15 year olds allowed the vote? Are they allowed to drink? Are they allowed to fight for the country? No.

The state believes people under 18 aren't mature enough to deal with the burdens of being an adult - so then why are children expected to be tried as adults?

Then again, the US (along with the bastion of human rights Somalia) hasn't ratified the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child. Next I think someone should make a compelling argument as to why children should be sent to fight in Iraq.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2716 times:

Check my notes, had something similar happen here in Arizona, but instead of basketball players, it was summer camp counselors and the suspect just happen to be the son of the State Senate Majority Leader..The charges were reduced because the County Attorney felt it was just a prank. 12 kids under 11 were the victims. The Majority Leader actually asked the court to reduced the charge to a misdemeanors so that his son could go on a Mormon mission. End result was one month in county jail and the lowest felony along with not having to register as a sex offender.

User currently offlineTZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2868 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2701 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 16):

Ridiculous argument. If a five year old 'commits murder' should the state wait 13 years before prosecuting him?

Not ridiculous at all. If you know the court system over here, he'll be 18 before any hearings and such start. It's just slow over here, really slow.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 16):

Yes.

Heh, show me when laws are being written up, when anyone has any say in it. Laws are made by politicians and the such only, unless its something local where the public can go to town hall.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 16):

So then why aren't 17 year olds treated as adults by the state when they're doing things right?

Because there is different ages are different things. Thats the way it works over here.



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2686 times:

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 18):

Because there is different ages are different things. Thats the way it works over here.

So a child is a child when they're voting, trying to buy alcohol, going to war and buying a house, but an adult if they commit a crime? Nonsense. The rights and definition of a child are absolute.

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 18):
Heh, show me when laws are being written up, when anyone has any say in it. Laws are made by politicians and the such only, unless its something local where the public can go to town hall.

The people have a direct say in who makes the laws. Hence voting people make the laws. Are you now trying to suggest the US isn't essentially a democracy?


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2678 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 5):
Nonsense. A 17 year old is a child in the eyes of the law, and should be treated as such.



Quoting 777236ER (Reply 19):
The rights and definition of a child are absolute.

I love it when you spew this  redflag . Haven't you been pwned 7 ways to Sunday when it come to the law on this and other forums? Were you not supposed to have self deleted? You obviously have little concept of how British law works, much less a CLUE about American law so why in the hell do you insist on making yourself look foolish again and again and again?


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2674 times:

And just in case anyone was wondering, the age of majority in Oregon is 18.

User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2661 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 16):
Good at grammar you are not.



Quoting 777236ER (Reply 16):

Are 15 year olds allowed the vote? Are they allowed to drink? Are they allowed to fight for the country? No

SFW?

And I don't mean Safe For Work.

Irrelevant tangent.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 21):
And just in case anyone was wondering, the age of majority in Oregon is 18.

Which has nothing to do with the age of criminal prosecution as an adult.


User currently offlineTZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2868 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2652 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 19):
So a child is a child when they're voting, trying to buy alcohol, going to war and buying a house,

Umm, you have to be an adult to do all of those things. You don't see 12 year olds going into liquor stores to buy alcohol and cigarettes now do you.

And before you start yelling some more of your  redflag  bullshit, yes, you can join the military at 17, but there is no way you'll able to go to war at 17. It takes at least a year in most cases to receive proper training to be in the military and do the job you're assigned.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 19):
Are you now trying to suggest the US isn't essentially a democracy?

It sure is. Democracy is as apparent as the monarchy in the UK



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User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2634 times:

What happened to innocent before proven guilty?

25 777236ER : No, not at all. If a 17 isn't considered mature enough to vote, drink alcohol, buy a house and exist without a legal guardian, why should they be pro
26 MDorBust : Yes really. All those age requirements are generated by different rules and regulations. Suggesting that all of these separate rules and regulations
27 Post contains links TedTAce : Try 15: http://www.kxly.com/news/?sect_rank=4§ion_id=603&story_id=10094
28 LASOctoberB6 : i get back to this post in a little, i cant think of what to say...
29 Dougloid : I don't know why people are saying "Oh these kids today..." I remember a boy who was in the same school year as I was back in Jersey in the middle six
30 777236ER : But the crucial one here is the age at which a person can vote. If the law decides a person cannot determine who represents them in power then the st
31 Post contains images TedTAce : No, it's YOUR problem. Apparently among others.
32 MDorBust : Why? Because you say so? Sorry, no. There is no magic "adult moment" in the United States. You are considered an adult for different issues at differ
33 AeroWesty : Already covered in Reply #15. Just read the thread.
34 LTBEWR : Rape is one of worst acts one can do or be the victim of, no matter the gender affected. It is an act of violence. It is one of the most feared acts o
35 LTU932 : Do you even know Oregon or US federal law? I don't, so I don't do comments like yours. The thing is that, as stated in reply 15, a juvenile can be tr
36 Post contains images LTU932 : I fully agree. Nobody should ever EVER experience rape. Rape is rape, regardless of whether it's a man or a woman who commits it or becomes a victim
37 Walter747 : Wow, did you just say that!?!?!?! You have to be joking me! Execute a 15 year old, what are you smoking?!?!
38 Searpqx : As has already been pointed out, that falls down on a number of points, not the least of which is that any number of adults in this country don't hav
39 JAGflyer : How do these things happen? Just thinking about it. Why would an entire team of BOYS rape another boy? I mean, in HS we use the word "fag" "gay" "homo
40 Post contains images Newark777 : That's the thing, the laws apply to you no matter what your status is. Just look at the little phrase on the DC license plates: Harry
41 S12PPL : Listen...You have taken this thread off on a tangent that it may never come back from. You havn't got a friggen clue what the hell you are talking ab
42 TedTAce : You expect this from the weasel who has YET to SD?
43 MD80fanatic : You are right....it is not. _______________________________ Believe it or not.....its the kids who are more aware of when they become official adults
44 Scbriml : So was this a slam-dunk, or did they go in off the rim?
45 Post contains images TZ757300 : I'm not sure how this would be a hate crime. Who exactly are they hating against?
46 Post contains images Waterpolodan : Not exactly appropriate...
47 STLGph : hahahahaha! you just put the whole office in giggles.
48 N1120A : I am reserving comment on the idea of charging people as an adult, but I do have a comment on this one. If rape is a crime on the outside, it is a cri
49 MD-90 : I think it is barbaric and disgusting to see how some people hope for convicted criminals to get raped and abused in prison.
50 EWRCabincrew : It is 100% wrong. With that said, the abuse you get in prison is a reality. If you don't want the possibility of that, make better choices. An inmate
51 MD80fanatic : I mentioned hate crime since I highly doubt they were doing this for sexual gratification. More than likely they were trying to, or succeeded in, terr
52 Yellowstone : Isn't there another thread going on about the hate crime issue? And no, I don't think this counts as a hate crime, since there isn't any indication th
53 EWRCabincrew : Rape is not a hate crime. Rape is rape. It is sexual assault. An extreme act of hazing? Are you sh***ing me? It is rape. Is it an extreme act of hazi
54 777236ER : Whilst of course there should be a gradual increase of responsibility as a child grows older, why the idea that a child is responsible for their acti
55 MD80fanatic : I'd like to cordially invite you to spend a week in my neighborhood. What you'd see will give you a whole new perspective on your "chavs". Seriously.
56 Yellowstone : I'm not saying the two are mutually exclusive. Acts of hazing are meant to demean and abuse the victim, and rape certainly does that. This is not at
57 S12PPL : When are you gonna get the fact that this isn't about VOTING RIGHTS???? This is about a sexual assault...Jesus Christ.... This isn't about voting rig
58 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Laws can be changed . Identify the grammatical failure of MD. And this should read "why should they be prosecuted as adults. Anyway, they should be p
59 S12PPL : Yep. Agree 100%. You don't get a free pass for being stupid.
60 Airfoilsguy : I am curious, what do you think they should receive as punishment?
61 EWRCabincrew : Any rapist should receive the maximum. Including these two.
62 Post contains images TZ757300 : He can't respond, he's banned.
63 Post contains images S12PPL :
64 Post contains images TedTAce :
65 Post contains images Airfoilsguy : Wow, he sure has a large fan club.
66 S12PPL : All you need to do is read the crap he posted in this thread to see why...
67 TZ757300 : In any thread, as a matter of fact.
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