S12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3600 times:
Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 2): Amazed, hardly. That's what justice is here to do. Hopefully it will be swift and the maximum. What gives anyone the right to violate anyone else?
What's more...The 17 and 18 year olds are charged as adults...They're gonna be put in the state pen in Salem...And I know a guy that is a guard there...The child rapists are given a very warm welcome there. I have a feeling they'll get to feel the same pain they inflicted on that poor kid soon.
Quoting 777236ER (Reply 10): If you want to try 17 year olds as adults, give them the vote.
Why? I'm 17 and think this is done the way it should. Most kids who are 17 and do things against the law almost always get treated at kids. These kids did something so wrong that they deserved to be tried as an adult and reap the rewards.
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3453 times:
Quoting MDorBust (Reply 13): I believe that fifteen is the age for criminal prosecution as an adult in Oregon.
Could be wrong by a year.
Anyone from Oregon?
It's 14 in Oregon. Kip Kinkel was 15 when he did the school shootings in Springfield in 1998 and he was tried as adult. The only thing that being under 18 but charged as an adult spares you from is the death penalty.
777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3453 times:
Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 11): Why? I'm 17 and think this is done the way it should. Most kids who are 17 and do things against the law almost always get treated at kids. These kids did something so wrong that they deserved to be tried as an adult and reap the rewards.
So then why aren't 17 year olds treated as adults by the state when they're doing things right?
I believe that fifteen is the age for criminal prosecution as an adult in Oregon.
Are 15 year olds allowed the vote? Are they allowed to drink? Are they allowed to fight for the country? No.
The state believes people under 18 aren't mature enough to deal with the burdens of being an adult - so then why are children expected to be tried as adults?
Then again, the US (along with the bastion of human rights Somalia) hasn't ratified the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child. Next I think someone should make a compelling argument as to why children should be sent to fight in Iraq.
AirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3449 times:
Check my notes, had something similar happen here in Arizona, but instead of basketball players, it was summer camp counselors and the suspect just happen to be the son of the State Senate Majority Leader..The charges were reduced because the County Attorney felt it was just a prank. 12 kids under 11 were the victims. The Majority Leader actually asked the court to reduced the charge to a misdemeanors so that his son could go on a Mormon mission. End result was one month in county jail and the lowest felony along with not having to register as a sex offender.
777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3419 times:
Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 18):
Because there is different ages are different things. Thats the way it works over here.
So a child is a child when they're voting, trying to buy alcohol, going to war and buying a house, but an adult if they commit a crime? Nonsense. The rights and definition of a child are absolute.
Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 18): Heh, show me when laws are being written up, when anyone has any say in it. Laws are made by politicians and the such only, unless its something local where the public can go to town hall.
The people have a direct say in who makes the laws. Hence voting people make the laws. Are you now trying to suggest the US isn't essentially a democracy?
I love it when you spew this . Haven't you been pwned 7 ways to Sunday when it come to the law on this and other forums? Were you not supposed to have self deleted? You obviously have little concept of how British law works, much less a CLUE about American law so why in the hell do you insist on making yourself look foolish again and again and again?
TZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2922 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3385 times:
Quoting 777236ER (Reply 19): So a child is a child when they're voting, trying to buy alcohol, going to war and buying a house,
Umm, you have to be an adult to do all of those things. You don't see 12 year olds going into liquor stores to buy alcohol and cigarettes now do you.
And before you start yelling some more of your bullshit, yes, you can join the military at 17, but there is no way you'll able to go to war at 17. It takes at least a year in most cases to receive proper training to be in the military and do the job you're assigned.
Quoting 777236ER (Reply 19): Are you now trying to suggest the US isn't essentially a democracy?
It sure is. Democracy is as apparent as the monarchy in the UK