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User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 20242 times:

Renault, Citroen, and Peugeot all used to sell their cars in the US - why did they stop? And more importantly, do you think they'll ever be brought back?

I know they're pretty much glued together, but I'm willing to make some sacrifices for that kind of style and individuality.  biggrin 


Better to be nouveau than never to have been riche at all.
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User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1985 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 20235 times:

Quoting AC773 (Thread starter):
I know they're pretty much glued together, but I'm willing to make some sacrifices for that kind of style and individuality. biggrin

I would say if you want to have that individuality go for something like a Alfa Romeo. Individuality PLUS a decent car  Wink



Keep the shinny side up!
User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 20222 times:

Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 1):
I would say if you want to have that individuality go for something like a Alfa Romeo.

There's a distinct difference between having interior bits fall off and having engine bits fall off!  Wink



Better to be nouveau than never to have been riche at all.
User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 20216 times:

I drove a Peugeot 307 in France last year. It was, for a mid-sized hatchback, pretty fun to drive. The manual transmission was pretty smooth and it had a nice pick-up. I'd definitely consider driving one if they came back to North America.

I heard that Peugeot was supposed to return to the US market several years ago. Apparently they decided otherwise. Rover was supposed to bring back their US line, Sterling, after a break from the market. But, we know what happened there.

Then again, my parents drove a 1988 Sterling when I was young. We got rid of it around 1995 and when we did it had around 250,000 miles on it (dunno exactly since the Speedometer and odometer stopped working). NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING in the car worked except for the radio and headlights. The dashboard lights didn't light up, the heating/AC system no longer worked, the fan stopped running. In the winter you had to wait for the heat to get pushed ot of the vents at their own pace. Sometimes the windows and electronic seats would move on their own. By the time we got rid of it, the only thing that really worked was the engine, manufactured for Rover by...Honda! British car, Japanese engine. No surprise what gave out first  Silly

LH423



« On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux » Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 20204 times:

Quoting AC773 (Thread starter):
Renault, Citroen, and Peugeot all used to sell their cars in the US - why did they stop? And more importantly, do you think they'll ever be brought back?

They got a reputation of being pretty flimsy cars. Anyone remember the Renault LeCar, Alliance and Fuego? Those cars were fine for European roads but were essentially laughed off the road here.

That does not mean that small cars can't find a market in the U.S. Look at VW and the Beetle and the Rabbit/Golf.

Side note: I remember when the smaller Jeep Wagoneer/Cherokee first arrived in the early 80's. At the time, Jeep was owned by AMC and Renault had bought a big chunk of AMC. The first time I sat in one, my friend and I noticed how flimsy the whole car felt - particularly the doors, and the first comment I heard was "Wow, we can see Renault had a lot of influence on this design."


User currently offlineTZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2868 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 20193 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
Jeep Wagoneer

Eh, they were around until 1991, and they were still full size. How do I know....I have one Big grin

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
early 80's

1984, to be exact

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
The first time I sat in one, my friend and I noticed how flimsy the whole car felt - particularly the doors,

Hahaha, Believe it or not, every single bolt in the AMC cars were metric...so I wonder how they got in there...? Such a pain to find 55mm sockets and things of the like.



LETS GO MOUNTAINEERS!
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 20183 times:

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 5):
Eh, they were around until 1991, and they were still full size. How do I know....I have one

I meant when they went from a full-size, like this one:



To this POS:



Edit: Damn, you were right. They still sold the big ones until 1991 as the Grand Wagoneer.

[Edited 2007-05-05 01:06:02]

User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 20167 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
Anyone remember the Renault LeCar

Unfortunately. LeCar is an ancient French word for "Piece of Shiat."




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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 20161 times:

Peugeot 505 Turbo Diesel had an 1984 which I purchased new a drove for eight years..Great car, great comfort, excellent mileage, very dependable. Peugeot just never caught on here, the models prior to the 505 were just outright ugly, lack of dealerships, parts. Would cost to much to re-enter the US market.

User currently offlineTZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2868 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 20147 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 6):
To this POS:

Those must have not been total POS's because that line lasted until 2004, I believe.



LETS GO MOUNTAINEERS!
User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 20140 times:

Peugeot and Renault made a big re-entry into the similar Australian market around 2000 and have exploded in their market share. The Australian market is much more accepting of more efficient, smaller and mid-sized cars. The Peugeot 406 Turbo Diesel set a world range record in about 2001 on a single tank in Australia. The 307, 407 and 207 are excellent cars in finish and performance. I have driven a 307 Turbo diesel here in France for 3 years without a single glitch.

The only reason they wouldn't succeed in the US is consumer attitude, because finish, efficiency and reliability are not hallmarks of American cars and the reason Japanese cars have the market share they do there.



When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 20136 times:

Citroen could probably do alright with the C6 in the States but other than that most French cars wouldn't really sell, except possibly the Renault Espace

User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 20133 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 10):
The only reason they wouldn't succeed in the US is consumer attitude, because finish, efficiency and reliability are not hallmarks of American cars and the reason Japanese cars have the market share they do there.

Yeah, but the French blast them both to kingdom come when it comes to design, safety, and innovation. I think there's a market, but only in certain parts of the country. If I were a French automaker, I would start a pilot program in California.



Better to be nouveau than never to have been riche at all.
User currently offlineAH332 From Algeria, joined Mar 2007, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 20125 times:

Hi,

Here in the US it's all about power and speed along with comfort. Although, that's starting to change with rising gas prices and more environmental concern, a V8 engine isn't as coveted as it was.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
They got a reputation of being pretty flimsy cars. Anyone remember the Renault LeCar, Alliance and Fuego? Those cars were fine for European roads but were essentially laughed off the road here.

You're right. If you think about it the car with the lowest horsepower here in the US is probably the Toyota Yaris at 109 hp. Not many French cars are made with more, unless you want a sedan or a SUV (but even then you barely get over 200 hp). people here in the US just wouldn't go smaller, less powerful yet more efficient cars. The idea of bigger is better is still there.

I personally love French cars, with Peugeor being my favorite cars. My cousin in Algeria has a 307, and it's an awesome car. I drove it and it was a nice ride. I would definately buy one here. But, sadly the market just isn't here.

Cheers,
Imad



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User currently offlineSJCRRPAX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 20110 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 10):
The only reason they wouldn't succeed in the US is consumer attitude, because finish, efficiency and reliability are not hallmarks of American cars and the reason Japanese cars have the market share they do there.

Don't kid yourself, French cars had an extremely bad reputation in America. The only chance they have is with the younger crowd who might not remember French cars. Three European brands were totally beaten out of America by Japanese cars, and those are Fiat, Renault, and Volkswagen. Volkswagen has made a come back of sorts. American car companies have been able to compete with the Japanese, partly because it's a home market, but for the older people who remember French cars most all of them will tell you that the American cars were better.

I must say I have rented out French cars while in Europe, and they were great cars as are the Fiats. In fact I can't think of any real bad cars made by anyone anymore, and that is why the Japanese need to watch out for Korean Cars, followed by Chinese Cars.


User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 20098 times:

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 14):
Chinese Cars.

Hold on, that's saying a little much. Chinese cars are worse than rock bottom - they copy the shape without having any concept of basic engineering. When the first Chinese SUV arrived in Europe, EURO-NCAP gave it a safety rating of zero stars.  crazy 



Better to be nouveau than never to have been riche at all.
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 20082 times:

All three fell off the map over the years due to poor workmanship vs. Japan brand cars, obsolete or odd designs or difficulty in making models that complied with Federal safety and pollution laws.
Citreon got out of the USA in them early to mid-1970's due to poor sales for their odd cars.
PSA/Peugoet has not sold cars in the USA since the 1990's, but still has an office in the USA (Lyndhurst, NJ) for old car parts sales as well as new parts sales USA car makers (like FWD drive shaft assemblies). Occasionally one can see a current model Peugoet cars being tried out here from their office. Don't forget too that they did buy out Chrysler Europe in 1977, and made parts for the NA Dodge/Plymouth Horizon/Omni model, (a version also sold in Europe) including some engines. Also as a result of that deal, a former Chrysler Europe/ex-Roots group UK plant became a plant for PSA models.
Renault imported various models from France to North American from the early 1950's to the mid-1970's including the 'Dauphine', the 10, the 16. They bought AMC/Jeep and owned them for most of the 1980's, selling it to Chrysler. During that time, they made models of the Renault 9 and 11 models in the USA (the Alliance), and imported the 5 (we called it the LeCar) and the Fuego sports model. They also made a version of a larger Renault model for the car line called the Eagle, to be sold by Jeep dealers as part of the sale to Chrysler. All of the Renault cars failed in the NA market and they have never returned. Besides, they own a chunk of Nissan, which makes some models in the USA so don't need to sell Renault models anymore. Renault also owned Mack Truck in the USA from the 1980's to several years ago (sold it to Volvo truck).


User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 20064 times:

Quoting TZ757300 (Reply 9):
Those must have not been total POS's because that line lasted until 2004, I believe.

Updating the venerable 4.0 liter AMC I-6 with electronic fuel injection and shoehorning it into the Cherokees around 1987 or so gave them new life and dramatically better performance. Originally they were only available with the same engines as Chevy Citations and S-10 pickups: A 2.8 liter Chevrolet V-6 or a 2.5 liter Pontiac I-4, both carbureted and both overwhelmed by pushing an SUV around.



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User currently offlineMikey From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 193 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 20054 times:

I used to drive a 1987 Peugeot 505STX. I wish that I did not gave it away but I had lots of problems with that car like stalls, streering wheels lock, and had a break failure while driving on the freeway ( luckly there was a traffic jam). I hardly see another Peugeot driving around (sometimes i see one once every 6 months or more).

Mike



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 20028 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 7):
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
Anyone remember the Renault LeCar

Unfortunately. LeCar is an ancient French word for "Piece of Shiat."

And yet B.A. Baracus managed to convert one into a tank during an episode of, "The A-Team". Sort of like a French M551 Sheridan. Ended up burning like one too.

Quoting AC773 (Reply 12):
If I were a French automaker, I would start a pilot program in California.

I could see people in San Fran and Seattle, WA wanting to buy french cars.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineRlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 19996 times:

The Nissan Versa is the Renault Clio platform. And the new Sentra is from the Megane platform.


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User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 19963 times:

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 14):
Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 10):
The only reason they wouldn't succeed in the US is consumer attitude, because finish, efficiency and reliability are not hallmarks of American cars and the reason Japanese cars have the market share they do there.

Don't kid yourself, French cars had an extremely bad reputation in America.

How am I "kidding myself". You re-stated my point. They are only blocked by 'consumer attitude', which in this case is disconnected from reality. They have a marketing challenge, but not an engineering, finish or efficiency one.



When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 19902 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 19):
And yet B.A. Baracus managed to convert one into a tank during an episode of, "The A-Team". Sort of like a French M551 Sheridan. Ended up burning like one too.

Dude, you just admitted to the world that you watched the A-Team and even know the characters' names after 20 years...  Silly


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 19862 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 22):
Dude, you just admitted to the world that you watched the A-Team and even know the characters' names after 20 years...

Camp value.

Actually I will also admit that I currently have 4 of the 5 seasons on DVD.

And what is wrong with Sgt. Baracas?

One thing that show did right IMHO is that they always had to use what was there to create some tool to get out of a situation.



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 19858 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 23):
Actually I will also admit that I currently have 4 of the 5 seasons on DVD.

 crazy   eek   yuck 


25 L-188 : It is still a lot better then a lot of the crap on TV these days. The guys had to use ingenuity, nobody got killed (7 total in the series, only 1 was
26 SJCRRPAX : The reason you are kidding yourself is because you seem to think that the finish, efficiency and reliability or French Cars is better than American C
27 Post contains images Omoo : I would love to be able to buy a Peugeot 504 in the US...
28 Post contains images Fbgdavidson : And Americans cars don't feel like they've been glued together??? My wife and I (living in the US despite the flag ) both have European cars but the
29 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : The French Embassy/consulates in the US run quite a few French cars, i.e a couple of 406s and 607s in DC and 307s in MIA. There was an XM in LA but I'
30 Post contains links and images Theredbaron : I have a Peugeot 206, having had over 20 diferent cars in my years driving is one of the best purchases I have done, and the only car I have kept for
31 Rlwynn : No, the finish, especially the efficiency and the reliability are way,way ahead of any American cars. If you have any up to date examples to the cont
32 Post contains images AC773 : Of course they are! I didn't mention American cars specifically in my post, but as always, their generally atrocious design, performance, safety, eff
33 Post contains links SJCRRPAX : My contention is it is hard to buy a bad car and reliability and quality differences between models is not that great. I don't see any evidence to su
34 Post contains images Superfly : LOL! There is a guy in my neighborhood that collects French cars. He has a Citroen CV2, Delorean, Citroen D5 and a Le Car with the rollaway top. The
35 OzGlobal : I've lived and worked and driven in both countries as well as my home in Oz. Have you? The design of US cars is wasteful of space (inefficient) desig
36 SJCRRPAX : I think we will just have to agree to disagree. I have worked for Italian Companies, and German Companies pretty much my entire adult life. I have sp
37 DeltaGator : Perhaps they don't have an engineering, finish, or efficiency problems anymore but I can guarantee you that the perception of French cars here in the
38 PA110 : For all you guys bashing the Renault 5 (or LeCar as it was known here), I owned not one but two of them. The first finally died after 275,000 miles,
39 Post contains images L-188 : I don't really recall bashing the car......oh wait.... I guess I did....Comparing it to a 551 not the burning part Still between a Lecar and a VW Rab
40 PA110 : Oh, no way. Not in the Northeast, at least. VW Rabbits could rust completely through in a single winter from the salt spreaders during snow storms.
41 L-188 : We used to use our old one on the beach, Didn't rust out. Made a pretty good fishing and coal picking buggy.
42 Mham001 : So what your saying is that the French wouldn't succeed because finish, efficiency and reliability are not hallmarks of French cars?
43 SJCRRPAX : You are right, the new game is all about outsourcing and Japan and France will be playing it too. Correct you are. Apologies to the great people of O
44 Post contains images TPAnx : As s git --gotta ask,,,,anyone remember the Simca?? Drove one working for my college in 61. You had to turn a valve under the hood to get the heat to
45 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : PSA (Peugeot Citroen) have a liaison office in the US (I don't recall if it is in DC or MI) for that purpose. For the MIA consulate vehicles, they ar
46 VonRichtofen : I could see French cars returning to Canada before the US. Canada is more accepting of smaller more fuel efficient vehicles. Take the Smart Car for ex
47 OzGlobal : You mentioned you experience of different car markets and so I responded with mine. Since you seem to present yourself as something of an insider aut
48 OzGlobal : Your question is not possible if your read the post. I'll leave you to re-read. Thanks.
49 Alessandro : Well, US has always been rigid when it comes to protect their domestic brands, Citroën weren´t allowed to have the turning headlights, LHM system wa
50 Post contains images StrasserB : Simca Montlery. It was my second car, got it in 1966.
51 Mham001 : Still scratching my head, the only sense it seems is that French cars won't succeed like the Japanese because Americans are now going for the finish,
52 Post contains images UTA_flyinghigh : Speaking of French cars, here is what President-elect Sarkozy is running around tonight : UTA
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