AirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1088 times:
What is he 45? Wonder what the other players think about a player that only pitches part of the year and will get a full time salary. Or is he just returning because he doesn't want Randy Johnson to pass him on the strikeout list?
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19708 posts, RR: 56 Reply 5, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1074 times:
Speaking from a Yankees fan standpoint, I'm very happy about this - the Yankees need a good pitcher, and Roger Clemens is at least a good pitcher, if not a great one.
Speaking as a baseball fan, however:
Quoting CV990A (Reply 3): and how many more times will he prostitute himself out like this before he FINALLY retires?
Either he needs to devote himself to one team for a full season, or get out of the game. He's got his ring, he's got his Cy Youngs. Deciding to sit back and watch the action before committing doesn't sit too well with me. And I don't like to see the Yankees perpetuating the cycle.
So I'm kind of split on this one.
-Mir
[Edited 2007-05-06 22:51:42]
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Galapagapop From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 910 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1049 times:
4.5 Million per month is the reason for his move. Sox were 10 Mil short and that was probably just a shot in the dark by them maybe to prevent him from going to NY. But 4.5 Mil per month and with all his special needs, zeesh!
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1047 times:
Quoting CV990A (Reply 3): Huh- that's funny... I could have sworn he said he wanted to go to a Winner...
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Quoting Mir (Reply 5): Speaking from a Yankees fan standpoint, I'm very happy about this - the Yankees need a good pitcher
But only one pitcher. The fans of the Boston Braves, who made it to the WS in 1948 (and lost to the Indians ), had a saying back then: "Warren Spahan and Johnny Sain. Then, Dear Lord, two days of rain." In other words, that's all they had. Same with the Yankees. They don't have much else right now, and if the BoSox keep playing the way they are right now, it won't matter.
And I agree, that it's getting boring seeing Clemens whore himself like this every year, to pitch every 5th day; to not have to be a real team mate, and travel on road trips, to probably get his own private plane. The problem isn't Clemens, it's the stupid owners who keep pimping for him.
Retire, Rocket, and stop ruining your rep by being a mercenary, and not a ballplayer.
Dragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3920 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1037 times:
Roger will get a couple of wins this season with the Yankees, but it's not like he will be the savior of the yankee season. He is on the downside of his career.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19708 posts, RR: 56 Reply 9, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1030 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7): Same with the Yankees. They don't have much else right now, and if the BoSox keep playing the way they are right now, it won't matter.
They have an offense that is the best in baseball. They have had to rely on rookie starters in the place of such proven commodities as Mussina and Wang (who was flirting with perfection yesterday), and it's showed. It's not the hitting that's been letting them down - it's the lack of reliable starting pitching, which leads to an overworked, and thus ineffctive, bullpen. If Clemens can deliver a reliable six innings every fifth day, it'll help immensely.
Wang, Clemens, Mussina and Pettite match up pretty well with Schilling, Beckett, Matsuzaka and Wakefield, and the offenses can keep up with each other.
-Mir
[Edited 2007-05-07 00:54:32]
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Newark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 33 Reply 10, posted (6 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1023 times:
This was the 2005 standings at the end of April:
ALE W L GB WP RS RA
BAL 17 7 - .708 144 113
TOR 14 12 4.0 .538 130 124
BOS 13 11 4.0 .542 136 109
NYY 10 15 7.5 .400 129 137
TBD 8 17 9.5 .320 111 160
I wonder who went on to win the AL East? And this is with a rotation not much better than this one. There's a lot of baseball left to play.
KROC From United States of America, joined May 2000, 19737 posts, RR: 76 Reply 11, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 978 times:
Quoting AirCop (Reply 2): What is he 45? Wonder what the other players think about a player that only pitches part of the year and will get a full time salary. Or is he just returning because he doesn't want Randy Johnson to pass him on the strikeout list?
Clemens gets a pro-rated salary for the time he pitches. Also, the Yankee Top Dogs were okay with Clemens not making all road trips and such just like in Houston. I find that ironic seeing as how the Yankees always make even the best players conform to their rules (no facial hair etc). Guess things are that desperate in the Bronx.
"Never tell anybody outside the family what you're thinking again"
Corocks From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1199 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 945 times:
As a Houston fan, the thing that upsets me (and most of the team) is the way he came to camp in the spring and acted like he was a member of the team. He put out a vibe that he was coming back to Houston, when it was obvious he wanted to go back to NY all along. The other annoying thing is that he has somehow he worked so that he will workout in the Astros farm system in KY with his son in preperation for a return to NY. Not sure how that happened. At least now that he is gone, they can cut his suck ass son - who was only drafted to get Roger to stay in Houston.
Most used phrase on Houston sports radio this morning - "Media Whore".
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19708 posts, RR: 56 Reply 16, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 938 times:
Quoting KROC (Reply 11): Also, the Yankee Top Dogs were okay with Clemens not making all road trips and such just like in Houston. I find that ironic seeing as how the Yankees always make even the best players conform to their rules (no facial hair etc). Guess things are that desperate in the Bronx.
Yeah, that's definitely disappointing. Good for the Yankees, bad for baseball.
-Mir
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Stretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2561 posts, RR: 19 Reply 17, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 936 times:
It's all about Clemens, that's for sure He is at best a 5-6 inning pitcher these days. Yes, the Yanks have a good line-up, but so do the Red Sox and Blue Jays.
Not enough pitching for the New Yorkers.
The bigger story in my mind is how long Zumaya will be out.
Go Tigers!
Maggs swings, it's a drive deep to left! The Tigers are going to the World Series!!!
KROC From United States of America, joined May 2000, 19737 posts, RR: 76 Reply 18, posted (6 years 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 925 times:
Quoting Stretch 8 (Reply 17): s all about Clemens, that's for sure He is at best a 5-6 inning pitcher these days. Yes, the Yanks have a good line-up, but so do the Red Sox and Blue Jays.
Come on now, the Yankees have a solid bullpen and will have no trouble covering the 4 or 5 innings he can't get through.
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Either he needs to devote himself to one team for a full season, or get out of the game. He's got his ring, he's got his Cy Youngs. Deciding to sit back and watch the action before committing doesn't sit too well with me. And I don't like to see the Yankees perpetuating the cycle.
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), had a saying back then: "Warren Spahan and Johnny Sain. Then, Dear Lord, two days of rain." In other words, that's all they had. Same with the Yankees. They don't have much else right now, and if the BoSox keep playing the way they are right now, it won't matter.
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