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User currently offlineDsa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1775 times:

Hi

As people upgrade to Vista as I have I'd just like to discuss some of the issues with the new operating systems that I have experienced.

* When the system crashes, you simply cannot open up Task Manager, you have to turn the computer off and start again

* Recently IE7 crashed and hasn't worked since, it simply states 'Microsoft will alert you when we have found a solution'

* I have to use Firefox, which is great but if you do a lot of work on the internet and it crashes like above it does'nt exactly say 'reliability'

* Apart from these issues its otherwise great, I appreciate that its new and will have teething problems, I guess I'll just have to wait until the first Service Pack is launched

By the way my computer is more than Vista capable

DSA

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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

Quoting Dsa (Thread starter):
When the system crashes, you simply cannot open up Task Manager, you have to turn the computer off and start again

 redflag  I do it all the time.

Quoting Dsa (Thread starter):
By the way my computer is more than Vista capable

What was it's score on the prequal?

Did you UPGRADE or did you load from fresh?

To me it sounds like your system is unstable to begin with (like mine). I have my issues as well, but they are basically the same issues I had with XP. I did a fresh load and it worked well until the hardware quirks started to show up.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12163 posts, RR: 36
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1743 times:
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I would love to get Vista, but my laptop is running hot trying to run XP, so I think I'll wait  Smile


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User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3311 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1731 times:

I recently got a laptop and it came with Vista already installed.

How am I finding it.... it's alright. I recently turned Account Control off as I was sick having to confirm something in a pop up every 20 seconds! I have read that it's not advised to turn this off. Ah well.

Also having problems running Flight Simulator 2004 (although it works ok on full screen).

I can't really come up with a list of differences between Vista and XP so someone else can do that.



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9487 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

Quoting Dsa (Thread starter):
* When the system crashes, you simply cannot open up Task Manager, you have to turn the computer off and start again

That sometimes happens on my XP machines. It hasn't happened (yet?) on my Vista machine.

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 3):
I recently turned Account Control off as I was sick having to confirm something in a pop up every 20 seconds! I have read that it's not advised to turn this off. Ah well.

I have to disagree with that. With XP, you had log out, log in as an administrator, make your change, log out then log back in as a user. It was so tedious, I just stayed logged in as an administrator, which defeated the whole purpose.  Sad

With Vista, all I have to do is supply the administrator password and off I go. I only get the request a few times a day.  Smile

Quoting Dsa (Thread starter):
Recently IE7 crashed and hasn't worked since, it simply states 'Microsoft will alert you when we have found a solution'

OK, that's an annoying one. The obvious answer is to uninstall and reinstall IE... but how do you uninstall it? Can it be done from the Add/Remove Windows Components feature from the Windows disk? That said, I've had problems with Firefox on my XP machines so I haven't installed it on my Vista machine.


User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3007 posts, RR: 48
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1706 times:
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Quoting Legoguy (Reply 3):
I recently turned Account Control off as I was sick having to confirm something in a pop up every 20 seconds! I have read that it's not advised to turn this off. Ah well.

Sorry, someone had to do this  duck 



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User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1703 times:

My thoughts on Vista:

I upgraded to Vista a little more than 2 months ago.

  • The only problem I am having is with the nVidia Display driver. However, unlike XP, where the driver crashes and so does the system, Vista manages to restart the driver; the system does not crash. Despite the various teething problems of new software, Vista seems very stable. I also noticed that when a program does crash, Vista stays responsive. With XP, when a program crashed, Windows seemed to go unresponsive for like, 5 minutes, trying to close the program.

  • I have had no problems with IE, then again, I hate IE, and have always used Opera or Netscape [I tried FireFox once but didn't really like it].

  • I saw a small performance increase in Flight Simulator X from XP to Vista. When I try to run FSX, I get the "bubble" that states how FSX isn't compatible with the Aero scheme. I do not mind a bit, as I would disable the Aero anyways to allow the graphics processor to focus on FSX, not the scheme.

  • Vista seems to be "impatient." Many times, I noticed a program will take longer to load. Often, Vista will say the program is unresponsive, then bam!, the Program loads. This seems to happen often with Adobe Acrobat and Adobe Acrobat Reader 8.

  • These pop-ups stating, "A program needs your permission to continue" that are driving people nuts doesn't happen often to me. I guess it depends on your system and software installed.

  • Vista is very slow to start-up and shut down, however, the new sleep function alleviates this, making the PC work almost as good as a Mac when you close and open the lid.

  • I am running a Tablet PC. I noticed Vista recognizes my handwriting much better than XP did.

  • The Vista Aero is nice, and even the Vista Basic scheme is a "helluvalot" better than the "Fisher-Price" Luna scheme of XP.



My conclusion: Vista is very nice and stable, but suffers numerous teething trouble. If your life/job/etc. depends on a computer (and you have only one PC), I'd wait to get Vista. However, if you have more than one computer, and use it for gaming, chat, etc, then Vista may be alright...just be advised of some troubles.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1687 times:

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 5):
Sorry, someone had to do this

 rotfl  UAC was a bitch for about the first month or two, now I rarely see it.

Quoting N231YE (Reply 6):
I upgraded to Vista

 no 

Upgrades with OS's ALWAYS SUCK.


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3335 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1677 times:

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 3):
How am I finding it.... it's alright. I recently turned Account Control off as I was sick having to confirm something in a pop up every 20 seconds! I have read that it's not advised to turn this off. Ah well.

What are you doing to make this come up so frequently, for everyday usage I never get it unless installing something new. The two big problems I have with UAC are as follows:

1) It blocks some startup programs such as MSI Live Update ans the Star Alliance Screen Saver Update Big grin and there
is no way of saying you trust those programs. I simply run MSI Live Update when I feel like it to check for updates to prevent this.

2) It comes up with a prompt after the security center does, you should only get one as its really annoying.

Quoting David L (Reply 4):
I have to disagree with that. With XP, you had log out, log in as an administrator, make your change, log out then log back in as a user. It was so tedious, I just stayed logged in as an administrator, which defeated the whole purpose.

I would say turn this back on fort these reasons is when I have relatives over that want to use Vista I can make them use the guest account and if a prompt comes up I can just enter my password to have them do that action if I approve of it. Also it is good because if you get a prompt and didn't do anything then it could be a hacker or potential spyware that you can stop by clicking cancel. I

Quoting N231YE (Reply 6):
The only problem I am having is with the nVidia Display driver. However, unlike XP, where the driver crashes and so does the system, Vista manages to restart the driver; the system does not crash. Despite the various teething problems of new software, Vista seems very stable. I also noticed that when a program does crash, Vista stays responsive. With XP, when a program crashed, Windows seemed to go unresponsive for like, 5 minutes, trying to close the program.

I have had this issure with the new 158.18 Drivers and got a BSOD once and it cause me to revert to the 100.65 drivers until Nvidia releases drivers that will not do that.

The things I like about Vista are as follows
- The partition manager in Computer Managment
- The new Network features (it had to grow on me)
- The Sidebar
- Windows Aero
- WIndows Experience Index although the rating is flawed
- UAC in theory
- Windows Update is a control panel not a website

The Things I don't like:
- The new file type management system
- The fact that MP11 doesn't include streaming plugins for any browser but IE (this makes life difficult for a firefox user)
- The Defrag utility doesn't gove a diagram or status meter.



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9487 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

Quoting N231YE (Reply 6):
However, unlike XP, where the driver crashes and so does the system, Vista manages to restart the driver; the system does not crash.

 checkmark  The drivers are one step further removed from the OS in Vista.


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1668 times:

Only problem I've had has been responding to e-mails from the remote/web based "Outlook" program (go figure). Outside of that just a few 64-bit issues. Stable as hell. I run CADD, TAAMs and SIMMOD which are processor crunchers.

Vista Ultimate 64-Bit - clean install on new machine.

Intel E6600/D975XBX2 MB/4 GB RAM/RAID 10/750GB x 4 drives 1.4 TB in RAID 1 + room for four more drives!

Only thing I would have done differently is gone with 32-bit for now because of the compatibility issues.

[Edited 2007-05-09 18:57:45]

[Edited 2007-05-09 18:58:55]

User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3311 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1652 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 8):
What are you doing to make this come up so frequently, for everyday usage I never get it unless installing something new.

Since I recently got FS9, I have been transferring old fs2002 aircraft files from the old PC to the new laptop. Also I have been sticking new panels into the aircraft files. So the UAC keeps popping up everytime I copy and paste a panel into a folder etc etc.

I think I'll turn UAC off when I intend to transfer alot of files, then stick it back on again once I'm done. It only requires a quick reboot.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1652 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 7):
Upgrades with OS's ALWAYS SUCK.

Windows upgrades may always suck.

MacOS upgrades have a long history of being unproblematic to trivial for the user, even between major versions. My only re-install ever was due to a corrupted partition (user mistake back in the days of MacOS 8/9).


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1644 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 12):
Windows upgrades may always suck.

Thank you Mr. Unbiased Big grin


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1638 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 13):
Thank you Mr. Unbiased

Never claimed I was.

Just pointing out a limitation of scope in your own damnation.  cool 


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3335 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 11):
I think I'll turn UAC off when I intend to transfer alot of files, then stick it back on again once I'm done. It only requires a quick reboot.
I turn it off after a format when I am going to be using Windows Update and Installing a lot of programs and drivers and want to work a lot faster. However I have discovered that programs such as Adobe Reader 8 require UAC on or it won't install.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 12):

MacOS upgrades have a long history of being unproblematic to trivial for the user, even between major versions. My only re-install ever was due to a corrupted partition (user mistake back in the days of MacOS 8/9).

Ok Klaus we know you love Macs and think they are so much better .

Why do you enter these Windows threads simply to say that Macs are better when this is a constructive thread between Vista users. Microsoft recommends clean installs simply because (and I know you know this) there is a lot of software and drivers that windows users will use and not all of it will be compatible with the next version, this is way more than what is available with a Mac. Although when upgrading Windows tells you to back up your files and from what I know your system will be restored to its original state if an upgrade goes awry.

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 10):
Vista Ultimate 64-Bit - clean install on new machine.

Did you have any big driver issues with the 64-bit version, I only have the 32-bit version of Home Premium installed and it costs $13 to order it from MS but I don't want to waste my money on it if something can't run and only signed drivers work. Do you recommend using XP pro 64-bit as a test to see if Vista 64-bit will run with all my hardware working.

[Edited 2007-05-09 19:13:57]


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User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1630 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 12):
Quoting TedTAce (Reply 7):
Upgrades with OS's ALWAYS SUCK.

Windows upgrades may always suck.

Vista upgrades are worse. I got Vista the day after it was released and upgraded. Had some problems that went away with a reinstall. But otherwise the other Vista machines we have work just fine.


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9487 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1621 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 8):
I would say turn this back on fort these reasons is when I have relatives over that want to use Vista I can make them use the guest account and if a prompt comes up I can just enter my password to have them do that action if I approve of it.



Quoting David L (Reply 4):
With Vista, all I have to do is supply the administrator password and off I go

I assume that was meant for Legoguy - I am using UAC in Vista, even though no-one else uses my PC.  Smile

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 8):
The things I like about Vista are as follows
- The partition manager in Computer Managment

 checkmark  Saves forking out for a new version of Partition Magic.

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 10):
Only thing I would have done differently is gone with 32-bit for now because of the compatibility issues.

As far as I can see, most home users would be better off installing the 32-bit version unless they really need the extra security features or more than 8MB of RAM.


User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1611 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 15):
Did you have any big driver issues with the 64-bit version

Yeah. A lot. The average joe would have been screwed.

Quoting David L (Reply 17):
As far as I can see, most home users would be better off installing the 32-bit version unless they really need the extra security features or more than 8MB of RAM.

Needed it for work programs that are serious memory crunchers. I'll be adding another 4 gig.


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1606 times:

Quoting N231YE (Reply 6):
Vista is very slow to start-up and shut down,

Really? I find Vista incredibly quick - especially to shut down.

I'm not really a techie kind of person, I just want the damn thing to work properly, and the most infuriating thing I've had with it is spending hours on help pages for various bits of hardware that don't work properly with Vista. Installation disks? Forget it, they won't even load, even if bought at the same time as the PC. Now, this will presumably get easier as they create them, but for someone who had to buy a laptop, didn't greatly care about Vista, but it came with it, it's really, really irritating.



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9487 posts, RR: 42
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1602 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 17):
more than 8MB of RAM



Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 18):
Needed it for work programs that are serious memory crunchers. I'll be adding another 4 gig.

Of course, I meant more than 8 GB of RAM.  embarrassed 


User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 7):
Upgrades with OS's ALWAYS SUCK.

I should have clarified. I did a clean install. First, I reformatted my PC's hard drive to when it was brand new: Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005, no programs. Then Vista was installed on top of it, as stated, in a clean install. So I did buy the Upgrade, not the full edition, but I pretty much started from scratch.

Quoting Banco (Reply 19):
Really? I find Vista incredibly quick - especially to shut down.

Vista seems to creep along for me.


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 54
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1574 times:

Quoting N231YE (Reply 21):
Vista seems to creep along for me.

Dunno, mate. All I can say is that on my pre-installed machine, it takes about 5 seconds to shut down - literally.



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9487 posts, RR: 42
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1571 times:

Quoting N231YE (Reply 21):
First, I reformatted my PC's hard drive to when it was brand new: Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005, no programs. Then Vista was installed on top of it, as stated, in a clean install. So I did buy the Upgrade, not the full edition, but I pretty much started from scratch.

You can't install an upgrade to a formatted disk. You either format the disk and install the full version or you install the upgrade version on top of an older version of Windows.  Smile

It sounds as if you restored your Windows installation to the "factory" condition then upgraded to Vista.


User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1559 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 23):
It sounds as if you restored your Windows installation to the "factory" condition then upgraded to Vista.

Okay, now that I feel like a moron...You're correct  smile 


25 StarAC17 : True but there are two workarounds that can be done to install it to a basically formatted disk. The first is to install you old version of XP or 200
26 Dsa : My computer was pre-installed with Vista, it gets a 3 rating on Vista's rating system. I would'nt say the system is unstable could it not just be teet
27 Post contains images David L : Ah, OK, I think we're arguing semantics there. Formatting, reinstalling an older version of Windows then upgrading to Vista is what I'd call a cleane
28 Post contains images Kunoichi : Just got a laptop two days ago with vista preinstalled, and I'm loving it so far- unfortunately, I found that firefox 2 is an absolute b*tch and keeps
29 Post contains images David L : Perhaps I misunderstood. Do you mean format then install your older Windows? That would invalidate half of my pedantry. I thought you meant, having h
30 Goldenshield : Wow. It took 12 replies before Klaus finally jumped in preaching the from the book of Mac. He's slowing down.
31 Klaus : At least for usage by a single process the 32 bit memory space ceiling is actually at 4 GB. Some mixed 32/64 bit systems are able to support multiple
32 Post contains links and images ManuCH : I anticipated him in reply 5
33 Post contains images StarAC17 : When you install the old version of Windows you boot to the initial desktop the first thing you do is insert the Vista DVD and click Install Windows,
34 David L : Oops - you're right. My point still stands, though, that most home users should stick to the 32-bit version, at least for now.
35 Klaus : No problem. Stuff happens. Given the alternative of Vista 64, that does seem reasonable indeed.
36 Post contains images David L : Now... you see... that sounds like a full installation, without the formatting, not an upgrade. I'm prepared to bet you can't do that with an Upgrade
37 Post contains links StarAC17 : Yes you can, and Microsoft even says on the Vista Box that a Clean Install may be required as for example upgrading from 2000 to Vista or from XP pro
38 Post contains images QANTAS077 : I keep getting this video error... Problem signature Problem Event Name: LiveKernelEvent OS Version: 6.0.6000.2.0.0.768.3 Locale ID: 1033 which usuall
39 StarAC17 : I assume you are getting the "Blue Screen of Death". What is your video card and check if you have the most recent drivers and that usually will clea
40 QANTAS077 : GeForce nVIDIA 7300GS 256/512mb - PCIExpress any help much appreciated! I have googled the error but wouldn't have a clue what to d/l.
41 Post contains images David L : Yes, you're right but I'm still struggling with the definition of a "clean install"... and being pedantic. For instance, that article says this: "If
42 Baroque : Could someone who lives close by, pop in and let Bill know that, amazingly, some folk own a computer and are the only ones to use it? So all that ker
43 StarAC17 : Now if you did this is would have been fine except you can't format the HD and all the system files are moves to the Windows.old folder. I took the u
44 Post contains images David L : The idea is to use the Admin account to install/uninstall software, drivers, etc., and make system changes then log out of that and, for "normal" use
45 Baroque : Er yes, but the internet hacker is going to have to get past the Admin system anyway, and since it is ME (ICHABOD) who is going to have to install an
46 Post contains images StarAC17 : One thing you may or may not know is that for whatever version of Vista you have or if its the upgrade or the full version, Microsoft ships the same
47 David L : But it's easier if the Admin is logged in. I agree in general, though. In several years of using only the Admin accounts on four XP PCs, I'm not awar
48 KaiGywer : I haven't upgraded since Win 98, but I remember when I installed that upgrade, I did it to a formatted disk. At one point during the installation, it
49 Post contains images StarAC17 : Unfortunately Yes . Now the upgrade has to be run from within Windows to work.
50 ManuCH : Just a tip... try formatting the hard drive, then install Vista Upgrade in "trial mode" (without entering a serial number). It will install cleanly.
51 Post contains images David L : Now my head's really beginning to hurt. You can do that?
52 Post contains images ManuCH : Yes, at least with my Vista Ultimate OEM DVD you can. It's supposed to be a bug - or maybe it's a feature - anyway you can let Vista upgrade itself
53 Post contains links ManuCH : OK, here's an article explaining it: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932 Have fun
54 StarAC17 : I said this in reply #25
55 Post contains images David L : OK, StarAC17, now I see how you were right but I hope you can also see why I was reluctant to believe you. The Upgrade version must contain a full in
56 WSOY : i wonder what the Administrator of the site would charge for a directed Mac ad every time Vista is being discussed? It would definitely save Klaus's
57 WSOY : The reason for asking the CD was the fact that you had erased the previous Windows installation. Substituting the CD for the "real thing" ended with
58 KaiGywer : Yeah I know this. That was the whole point of my post. It was a neat feature.
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