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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18574603/

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ATLANTA - A vegan couple were sentenced Wednesday to life in prison for the death of their malnourished 6-week-old baby boy, who was fed a diet largely consisting of soy milk and apple juice.

The punnishment fits like a glove as far as I am concerned.

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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

Nice....

I wonder if they'll start eating meat.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1965 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 1):
I wonder if they'll start eating meat.

 rotfl  Depends on the cellmates I guess  Wink


User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4757 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

Quote:
Their son, Crown Shakur, weighed just 3 1/2 pounds when he died of starvation on April 25, 2004.

Wow... My baby cousin was born a month before he was due, and I'm pretty sure he weighed more than that...



What do I know, I'm just an 'immature troublemaker with only a passing interest in aviation' (or so they say)
User currently offlineMarquis From Germany, joined Sep 2005, 274 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1957 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Thread starter):

The punnishment fits like a glove as far as I am concerned.

I second that statement. Gosh, the common sense of these windfall eater really upsets me...



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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

6 weeks old? The baby could still be breast fed. Or does that violate some kind of vegan rule?

Retards, not even strict vegetarians would do that (and they still drink milk).



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1908 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Thread starter):
The punnishment fits like a glove as far as I am concerned.

 checkmark 


From the article;
Defense lawyers said the first-time parents did the best they could while adhering to the lifestyle of vegans, who typically use no animal products.

HELLO, veganism is RETARDED in the first place. I have yet to meet a vegan that doesn't have a few scews loose!
I hope every vegan pays close attention to this story and perhaps rethink the whole vegan thing.
I can't stand these people and yet they always like to preach to everyone they encounter about how veganism is the only way.

Also from the article;
6-week-old baby boy, who was fed a diet largely consisting of soy milk and apple juice.

Apple juice is full of sugar!
That can't be too healthy for a newborn.



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User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 3):
Wow... My baby cousin was born a month before he was due, and I'm pretty sure he weighed more than that...

As was my sister - she was just under 6lbs.

One was quoted as not starving the kid. What the hell else would it be. I imagine that at 6 weeks, the baby would still be on the milk, I guess someone with kids could correct me. Also, is baby formula a dairy product?



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User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

Well I think that they should go to prison, I don't think that a life sentence is fitting. If it works out that they get 10 years or so with probation I think that that would be fair. They didn't intentionally seek to kill the baby. They were idiotic, negligent, and at fault but there is no evidence that it was premeditated.

User currently offlineMBMBOS From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
I have yet to meet a vegan that doesn't have a few scews loose!

I've known many quite vegetarians.

I have a couple of college friends who are vegan and they are well balanced and successful people. They are not at all preachy; in fact you wouldn't know they were vegan unless you specifically asked. They have two children who have been raised as vegans from the get-go (they were breast fed). The kids excel in school and in athletics and have no health issues.

I wonder if this might be a situation where the only vegans you identify as being such are the ones who are preachy and sanctimonious?


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8705 posts, RR: 43
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Thread starter):
The punnishment fits like a glove as far as I am concerned.

On second thought (hence the edit), doesn't this go more along the lines of manslaughter than murder?

Quoting Marquis (Reply 4):
windfall eater

Those are frutarians, even worse than Vegans.

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 5):
6 weeks old? The baby could still be breast fed. Or does that violate some kind of vegan rule?

I don't know, but maybe the mother wasn't even able to produce (enough) milk for her baby due to herself being malnourished.

[Edited 2007-05-09 23:23:19]


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User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4757 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 7):
I imagine that at 6 weeks, the baby would still be on the milk, I guess someone with kids could correct me.

 checkmark  AFAIK, kids should feed exclusively on milk for the first 6 months, then you start introducing other foods.



What do I know, I'm just an 'immature troublemaker with only a passing interest in aviation' (or so they say)
User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1843 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
HELLO, veganism is RETARDED in the first place.

Absolutely not. Vegeanism makes perfect sense for cows, dear and other plant eating animals. As for humans, it is just plane stupid. Your body was designed to function in a certain way with certain dietary requirements. To just up and decide that you are going to make up your own rules and eat only vegetation is pure idiocy. If you one day decide that you hate all the oil companies and are going to only put vegetable oil in your car and not gas, your car will not run. The same goes with Vegans. Have you ever seen a vegan that looked healthy? no, there is a reason they are skinny and pale.


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1843 times:

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 9):
I've known many quite vegetarians.

There is a huge difference between most vegetarians and true vegans. While neither lifestyle is biologically natural to a human, most vegetarians understand that some animal protein is necessary.

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 9):
I wonder if this might be a situation where the only vegans you identify as being such are the ones who are preachy and sanctimonious?

Totally anecdotal, but the hard core vegans I've met are all of the preachy/sanctimonious persuasion. I'm curious about your friends - are you aware if they take supplements? I have yet to meet a truly healthy vegan that doesn't admit to needing to supplement their diet to make up for the proteins and other nutrients they can't get by avoiding animal products.



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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 13):
Totally anecdotal, but the hard core vegans I've met are all of the preachy/sanctimonious persuasion.

 yes  me too

One I know is also a chain smoker. Last I checked a piece of lean red meat or chicken has more nutritional value than a cigarette.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 8):
Well I think that they should go to prison, I don't think that a life sentence is fitting. If it works out that they get 10 years or so with probation I think that that would be fair. They didn't intentionally seek to kill the baby. They were idiotic, negligent, and at fault but there is no evidence that it was premeditated.

 checkmark  They're idiots, no doubt about it, but life is excessive.

-Mir



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17445 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 3):
Crown Shakur

With a name like that you can pretty much guess what trajectory his life will take Sad

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
veganism is RETARDED in the first place

Word. You end up looking like this  Silly




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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1813 times:

I've been following this story locally.

I agree that they acted irresponsibly and are basically dumb@$$es for not learning how to properly care for an infant. They deserve some prison time, but I agree with those who said a life sentence is excessive. I think maybe 10-15 years would be a fair sentence, and perhaps sterilization.

Edit:

One thing I am confused about it why they were convicted on all of these: malice murder, felony murder, involuntary manslaughter. Perhaps someone here can explain.

[Edited 2007-05-09 23:45:18]

[Edited 2007-05-09 23:46:32]

User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

Jesus  Sad

Child cruelty most definately.....



Lee



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User currently offlineMBMBOS From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 14):
There is a huge difference between most vegetarians and true vegans.

I know a handful of true vegans. None of them flaunt their belief system.

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 14):
Totally anecdotal, but the hard core vegans I've met...

But I'm sure you can see that there are inherent problems with generalizing from anecdotal situations. Some people think that all gay people are effeminate flamers because they generalize from the few they recognize (or think) are gay.

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 14):
I have yet to meet a truly healthy vegan that doesn't admit to needing to supplement their diet to make up for the proteins...

The vegans I know challenge the notion that you cannot get enough/the right proteins on a strictly vegetarian diet. They do not take protein supplements. One of them takes a mineral supplement, but so do I. I will reiterate that my vegan friends are healthy, rational people.


User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 19):
I know a handful of true vegans. None of them flaunt their belief system.



Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 19):
The vegans I know challenge the notion that you cannot get enough/the right proteins on a strictly vegetarian diet. They do not take protein supplements. One of them takes a mineral supplement, but so do I. I will reiterate that my vegan friends are healthy, rational people.

These are not my quotes.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

At 6 weeks old, the baby should have either been breast fed, or be fed with the proper baby formula. In any case, imposing a misguided believe in vegeterianism on a kid that still heavily depends on dairy products for nourishment, is for me almost the same as child abuse, and given the tragic death that this caused, I agree that their lack of responsibility was punished properly. May those people never get out of prison and never have any children, if they impose their misguided believes on them again.

That being said, I don't have anything against vegetarians. I know some of them and they seem to be pretty cool with us eating meat et al. They just don't eat meat themselves, nor do they impose their believes on not eating meat on us. Nevertheless, IMO any kind of lack of responsibility by a partent that can end up seriously harming, or even killing the child, MUST be punished harshly.


User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1790 times:

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 19):
Quoting 767Lover (Reply 14):
Totally anecdotal, but the hard core vegans I've met...

But I'm sure you can see that there are inherent problems with generalizing from anecdotal situations. Some people think that all gay people are effeminate flamers because they generalize from the few they recognize (or think) are gay.

Key words: "I've met"


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1789 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 13):
Totally anecdotal, but the hard core vegans I've met are all of the preachy/sanctimonious persuasion.

I'd like to meet one too. Perhaps it may change my narrow-minded attitude about vegans.

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 14):
One I know is also a chain smoker. Last I checked a piece of lean red meat or chicken has more nutritional value than a cigarette.

 checkmark 

That's for damn sure!
The first time I met a vegan, she was a also a smoker. She was also approx. 315 pounds and about 5', 4".
She always had a cookie, bagel or some kind of food in her hand. She was very very preachy! It was very difficult to work with her also.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 16):
Word. You end up looking like this

Funny! Big grin



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1789 times:

This might be for another thread, but what is the liability on parents who raise their children as Christian Scientists or other religions that don't believe in the practice of medicine?

25 MBMBOS : Sorry about that 767Lover. I intended to quote Searpqx.
26 Searpqx : Is it? I'm know they weren't specifically trying to kill their child, which is probably why they didn't get muder one. But they did take premeditated
27 Go3Team : I seem to remember a few news stories related to that, a google search may provide some answers.
28 EWRCabincrew : All the more reason to have a license to have children.
29 CasInterest : well here is the problem I have with Vegans. They don't drink Animal dairy products. Woman's breasts don't produce Mlk just for the sole purpose of pl
30 Mdsh00 : Not only that but give vital antibodies to keep the baby's immune system running until it is old enough to handle itself. That too, I think it would
31 Mir : Intent matters. The goal of the premeditated action was not to kill their kid through malnourishment. If I'm driving down the street and someone sudd
32 Post contains images MBMBOS : ...you'll generalize anyway? And I'm not trying to defend my friends. I'm defending vegans against some pretty strident stereotyping and some mischar
33 Mdsh00 : I don't see how it is considered accidental and a mistake. New mothers are educated about child nutrition, and it is common knowledge that 6 weeks ol
34 ORFflyer : I agree, except for one. I've met several, and most seem to be a couple of french-fries short of a Happy Meal, except for this guy in our office; str
35 767Lover : Can we count on you to stand up against the hundreds of other stereotyping and mischaracterizations on Anet?
36 MBMBOS : I always do.
37 767Lover : Excellent. I could have used you several times around here!
38 JAGflyer : They're in for a big surprise when they find out the prison system doesn't serve wheatgrass, tofu or soymilk.
39 767Lover : It was reported that the guy has already lost 10 pounds due to not eating in prison.
40 Mir : I agree. But I don't think negligence should carry a life sentence. -Mir
41 Saxdiva : Bad analogy, especially since it's wrong. A do-it-yourself kit with turn that smoky ol' diesel into a ultra-low-emission frybrid in less than a weeke
42 LTU932 : And even if they still refused to breastfeed that baby, they should have at least bought proper baby formula, which is at least a much more adecuate
43 Post contains links LH423 : Ok, a little research found that no vegan society advocates that babies not be breastfed. In fact, some of these say that breastfeeding should be the
44 RwSEA : I'm sorry, but life in prison is excessive in this case. I can see 10-15 years for something like this, but life seems to be an extreme. I have a feel
45 Searpqx : Bad analogy. Driving safely with a properly equipped car, can not reasonably be expected to result in the death of someone, plus your victim took act
46 Post contains links Gunsontheroof : I'm vegetarian who eats vegan quite often and I'm as healthy as I could want to be. There isn't much in meat/dairy products that you can't get from o
47 Halls120 : They shouldn't be let out of prison until they agree to undergo voluntary sterilization. Reminds me of the scene from the Steve Martin movie "Parenth
48 Post contains images Carmenlu15 : Not to mention the fact that there are baby formulas available that have soy protein rather than dairy products (for lactose-intolerant babies). BTW,
49 Airfoilsguy : And how would you modify a human body to run on only vegetation?
50 Post contains images KaiGywer : Meow
51 Post contains images LH423 : Touché, however would kitty be drinking that milk if it wasn't fed to him by a human? We're talking about natural instincts here. I highly doubt the
52 Kay : Ok I haven't read all the posts but I'm surprised this case wasn't used more strongly by the media against Veganism. Clearly to me, this simply can't
53 Post contains images KaiGywer : Probably not You know somebody has one and will post it...lol Well, it also contains minerals and vitamins. I'd rather have a glass of milk than take
54 Post contains links and images Superfly : So???????????? Humans are the only species to do a lot of things. So what we drink other animals milk? So what if we drink milk beyond infancy. Human
55 Post contains images Carmenlu15 : There's also dolphins and chimpanzees...
56 Post contains images Superfly : Really? Do they use birth control?
57 Thorben : I'm no vegan, but I think we should respect that style of living. It's the choice of those people. Concerning those parents, they must be pretty dumb.
58 Galapagapop : Love that, certainly lacks the taste, but if making Chicken Salad or something that usually is loaded with Mayo I'll mix in mostly that with maybe a
59 D L X : EUGENICS!!! Oh man. Don't go there.
60 Post contains images LTU932 : Got a problem with us? Signed, Khan Noonien Singh
61 Post contains images Newark777 : And meat is the animal's tissue that's been ripped out of its body and heated up. And it's oh-so-delicious. Harry
62 D L X : And they like it rough. And they don't care whom. And they don't care what sex. Make a big kill? Let's celebrate! Drop trow. Must be good to be a dol
63 Post contains images Newark777 : Harry
64 Post contains images LTU932 : That's the guy. I guess you've already seen Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan then?
65 Saxdiva : Doesn't matter. The analogy was still ignorant.
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