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User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

As he stated in this thread... RE: What Guns Do You Own? (by MDorBust Apr 7 2007 in Non Aviation) MDorBust wanted to get a Saiga 12. Well, I just happened to pick one up today....

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h56/kmaf/Crap/100_0100.jpg

It's a gas-operated, magazine-fed, semi-automatic, 12 gauge shotgun built on an AK-47 receiver. I'll probably go out and shoot it for the first time tomorrow.

You can easily see the family relationship:



They had to make a major change to the gas pushrod to accomodate the huge 12 gauge round:





MDorBust, eat your heart out!!! Anybody else ever tried one of these?

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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

Quoting Queso (Thread starter):
Anybody else ever tried one of these?

No, but I can't wait for BHM to try !!!


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

Quoting Queso (Thread starter):
MDorBust, eat your heart out!!!

Yes, I am very jealous now.

But... I did manage to pick up a new condition used P22 from Cabelas last Saturday for $99. Apparently the last owner became dissatisfied after firing a couple hundred rounds through it and having very bad jamming problems. Amazing how well it performed after I took it home and CLEANED IT (three times).

Tell me how it performs. You can be my guinea pig.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1909 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 2):
Amazing how well it performed after I took it home and CLEANED IT (three times).

Ah, I see the KISS concept has been hard at work again.  rotfl 



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User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1896 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1):
No, but I can't wait for BHM to try !!!

Yeah, the only problem is that I'm gonna have to take a friggin' trunk to transport all the guns I want to take! And this thing weighs 8 pounds, the ammo for it weighs a ton! If I do decide to take it to BHM, I probably won't take any ammo because WallyWorld has 12 gauge really cheap.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 2):
Yes, I am very jealous now.

 devil  I'll try to remember to take some video while shooting it tomorrow.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 2):
Tell me how it performs. You can be my guinea pig.

It came with a 5-round magazine and if I like it and don't have any problems with it I'll probably pick up a couple of 10-round mags for it. The only problem is that 10-round mags are about $60 each.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 2):
I did manage to pick up a new condition used P22 from Cabelas last Saturday for $99.

WOW! What a deal! Lucky duck! I know of at least one other A.netter that has a P22.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 2):
Amazing how well it performed after I took it home and CLEANED IT (three times).

Don't you just love that? Some .22's are also really picky about ammo. My Sig Mosquito is VERY picky and only runs correctly with 40gr. MiniMag's.


User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1871 times:

Quoting Queso (Thread starter):

A true Room Broom.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 2):
Apparently the last owner became dissatisfied after firing a couple hundred rounds through it and having very bad jamming problems

I had problems with lead fouling. Got a new barrel from Walther and now shoot Stingers and it shoots fine. I got a G22 last week; pretty neat gun.

I have a couple of "items" I purchased, waiting for ATF to issue my stamps. Will share pics when they are in my hands.


User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

Quoting Queso (Thread starter):
It's a gas-operated, magazine-fed, semi-automatic, 12 gauge shotgun built on an AK-47 receiver.

A semi-automatic 12 guage... I feel sorry for anyone who tries to break into your place!

Out of curiosity though, what type of activity do you use that type of a gun for? I've been duck hunting, and using a gun like that seems like it'd take all the fun out of the sport...


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1851 times:

Quoting Cba (Reply 6):
Out of curiosity though, what type of activity do you use that type of a gun for?

Oh, I don't know, after I put a few hundred rounds through it, it will probably replace the Mossberg Maverick 88 behind the bedroom door and loaded with 00 Buckshot. Otherwise, I will practice with it to maintain proficiency and I might go bird hunting with it. It's mainly just a novelty for me because it is a unique design and it should be very dependable.

Quoting Cba (Reply 6):
I've been duck hunting, and using a gun like that seems like it'd take all the fun out of the sport...

There are a lot of tube-fed semi-auto shotguns that are very popular for hunting, such as the Remington 1100 which holds 9 rounds ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_1100 ). The main difference with this shotgun is that it is magazine-fed and can be reloaded quickly. When I saw it in the store, I figured I'd better pick it up while I can because you never know when they might be banned.


User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1846 times:

Quoting Queso (Thread starter):

How much did you pay for it?

PS Has anyone seen Andrew / ilikeyyc?


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 8):
How much did you pay for it?

$449. Cheap. I probably could have shopped around and got it cheaper but I am an impulse buyer and I saw it and I wanted it.

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 8):
Has anyone seen Andrew / ilikeyyc?

I talked to him on the phone a couple of months ago. He said he was not around the computer much anymore but I wanted to respect his reasons for why he wasn't so I didn't ask. He did say that he still planned to go to BHM. I might try to give him a call tomorrow to see how he's doing. If I talk to him I'll let you know what I find out.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12251 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1764 times:
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Quoting Queso (Thread starter):
As he stated in this thread... RE: What Guns Do You Own? (by MDorBust Apr 7 2007 in Non Aviation) MDorBust wanted to get a Saiga 12. Well, I just happened to pick one up today....

You are such a showoff Big grin

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 2):
But... I did manage to pick up a new condition used P22 from Cabelas last Saturday for $99

 Wow! Wow! Wow! Wow! Wow! Wow!

Why can I never find such deals?



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User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1745 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 10):
Why can I never find such deals?

Because you live in Minnesota Big grin

And you probably can't search the gun auction web sites... Damned firewalls.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12251 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1731 times:
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Quoting Miamiair (Reply 11):
Because you live in Minnesota

 Sad

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 11):

And you probably can't search the gun auction web sites... Damned firewalls.

Mhm....and when I'm at home I try not to spend that much time online, considering I'm here for eight hours straight.

Mid-June we're changing computer systems though, new company, new policy, new (and from what I've heard, a lot less restrictive) firewalls.



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User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 8):
Has anyone seen Andrew / ilikeyyc?

I just called him, I left a message on his voicemail.


User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1692 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 13):
I just called him, I left a message on his voicemail.

Thanks for the info.


You go try out your new toy yet?


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1678 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 10):
Why can I never find such deals?

Cabelas:

Owatonna, MN Retail Showroom
3900 Cabela Drive
Owatonna, Minnesota 55060

Rogers, MN Retail Showroom
20200 Rogers Drive
Rogers, Minnesota 55374

East Grand Forks, MN Retail Showroom
210 DeMers Ave
NW East Grand Forks, Minnesota 56721


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 14):
You go try out your new toy yet?

Not yet, I went out to one of the ranges to visit with the owner for a bit and he had to leave shortly after I got there. I'm going to another range this afternoon so I might try it then. There's also an IDPA match tomorrow morning I'm going to shoot in so I might wait till after the match to try it since I'll be there anyway.


User currently offlineAdopim88 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 2007 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1656 times:

Quoting Queso (Thread starter):

 drool  Nice. Make sure to let us know how the shooting goes  Smile

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 10):
You are such a showoff

You're one to talk  Wink

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 12):
and when I'm at home I try not to spend that much time online

Right. Instead of being on for 8 hours straight you go 12 hours on and off  Wink  duck 



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User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1604 times:

I just talked to Ilikeyyc a few minutes ago. He's doing well, but he's been pretty busy lately. The reason he hasn't been around is because he's been without a computer. Have no fear, he'll be around again soon because he just ordered a new computer. He said he recently acquired a Rossi .357 Magnum with a 2" barrel.

User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1527 times:

I still haven't shot the Saiga-12 for the first time yet! Last Saturday I was out at the bigger range that I go to but unbelieveably, here in the middle of a desert, the shotgun range was completely flooded! It had been 3 days since we'd had any rain but there was still several inches of standing water so I didn't get the try it.

I hope I like it because I just bought 2 more magazines for it. This contraption came with a 5-round mag, and I just bought 2 10-round mags for it, $75 each!



So now I can have this loaded with 11x 3" magnum 00 buckshot shells, 15 pellets per shell = total of 165 .34 caliber, 54 grain projectiles per loading or with all 3 magazines that's 390 .34 caliber projectiles. Cool! That's going to shred a lot of paper targets and gallon milk jugs filled with water pretty quickly!


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1522 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 19):
It had been 3 days since we'd had any rain but there was still several inches of standing water so I didn't get the try it.

Since when has standing water stopped a man with a shotgun from the pursuit of his interests?



User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1436 times:

I FINALLY SHOT IT.

Late this afternoon, we went out to the range and I shot the Saiga-12 for the first time. Here was the first challenge:

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h56/kmaf/Crap/Saiga12/IM002513.jpg

Even after no rain for a week and a half, the shotgun range was under more than a foot of water in some places. So, I cheated and just went over to one of the pistol bays. Like somebody is gonna bitch at me for not using the shotgun range, right?

The gun functioned perfectly straight out of the box, no failures of any kind. Then again, being a close cousin of the AK-47 you certainly would expect it to be reliable. The only complaint I have is that the 5-round magazine is much too small. It makes me glad I shelled out the $150 to go ahead and order the 2 10-round magazines. I also found out yesterday that a 19-round drum is available for $319, so I'll probably be sending in my $150 deposit for that next week because they are only made to order so far.

Here's a quick and dirty video of me shooting it. No complaining about form, like I said this was just quick and dirty so I didn't get caught using the wrong range:



We're gonna have fun in BHM!!!

Edited to fix video link.

[Edited 2007-05-20 06:07:10]

User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1426 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 27):
We're gonna have fun in BHM!!!

 yes 
I wonder if they can launch enough clays at the same time to keep up with it.  scratchchin 


User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1413 times:

The Border Guards in Guatemala had something similar. Would be great to pick one of those up. What a gun!

-Copa


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1387 times:

Right!

Now I know I'm getting myself one.


25 Copaair737 : I'd LOOOVE to get myself one of those. Wow. I always wondered what those were, and now I know! -Copa
26 CaptOveur : It looks like you loaded it with birdshot.. Be a man, get buckshot.
27 MCOflyer : Thats so cool. Nice gun. Hunter
28 Post contains links Queso : I shot buckshot in it, too. The buckshot loads actually are slightly easier to shoot because the projectile load is lighter (more air space or buffer
29 Queso : I received the 10-round magazines today, they look almost obscene when put on the shotgun! Thanks! I like it so far. Do you have any links or pictures
30 MDorBust : If you can't get something done with ten rounds of 00, then I humbly suggest that it can't be done at all.
31 Post contains links Queso : Think I need a pistol-grip folding stock for it? http://www.saiga-12.com/proddetail.a...prod=TNG%2DSAIGA%2DFOLDING%2DSTOCK
32 MDorBust : Do they make one that isn't folding? I don't trust folding stocks with the recoil of a 12ga.
33 Post contains images KaiGywer : That looks fun
34 Post contains links Queso : Me neither, that's why I am looking at this Dragunov-style stock now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...witem=&item=200110587142&rd=1&rd=1 Yeeah
35 Post contains images KaiGywer : Pics and video
36 Queso : I just found a pretty cool video. Try this with your Remington 1100 or fancy Beretta automatic!!!
37 Post contains links KaiGywer : Wow, that's some serious testing. Reminded me of this
38 Queso : I went with the Dragunov-style stock, it should be on it's way tomorrow so I'll post pics of it once I get it installed.
39 Post contains links and images Queso : My brother and I took the Saiga-12 with us to shoot at the range in Ozona, Texas and we had a GREAT time. It preformed flawlessly and we gave it quite
40 Post contains images KaiGywer : That's just wild!
41 MDorBust : I think I found the channel Queso watches while he is at home.
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