Queso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1684 times:
As he stated in this thread... RE: What Guns Do You Own? (by MDorBust Apr 7 2007 in Non Aviation) MDorBust wanted to get a Saiga 12. Well, I just happened to pick one up today....
It's a gas-operated, magazine-fed, semi-automatic, 12 gauge shotgun built on an AK-47 receiver. I'll probably go out and shoot it for the first time tomorrow.
You can easily see the family relationship:
They had to make a major change to the gas pushrod to accomodate the huge 12 gauge round:
MDorBust, eat your heart out!!! Anybody else ever tried one of these?
But... I did manage to pick up a new condition used P22 from Cabelas last Saturday for $99. Apparently the last owner became dissatisfied after firing a couple hundred rounds through it and having very bad jamming problems. Amazing how well it performed after I took it home and CLEANED IT (three times).
Tell me how it performs. You can be my guinea pig.
Queso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1642 times:
Quoting TedTAce (Reply 1): No, but I can't wait for BHM to try !!!
Yeah, the only problem is that I'm gonna have to take a friggin' trunk to transport all the guns I want to take! And this thing weighs 8 pounds, the ammo for it weighs a ton! If I do decide to take it to BHM, I probably won't take any ammo because WallyWorld has 12 gauge really cheap.
I'll try to remember to take some video while shooting it tomorrow.
Quoting MDorBust (Reply 2): Tell me how it performs. You can be my guinea pig.
It came with a 5-round magazine and if I like it and don't have any problems with it I'll probably pick up a couple of 10-round mags for it. The only problem is that 10-round mags are about $60 each.
Quoting MDorBust (Reply 2): I did manage to pick up a new condition used P22 from Cabelas last Saturday for $99.
WOW! What a deal! Lucky duck! I know of at least one other A.netter that has a P22.
Quoting MDorBust (Reply 2): Amazing how well it performed after I took it home and CLEANED IT (three times).
Don't you just love that? Some .22's are also really picky about ammo. My Sig Mosquito is VERY picky and only runs correctly with 40gr. MiniMag's.
Quoting MDorBust (Reply 2): Apparently the last owner became dissatisfied after firing a couple hundred rounds through it and having very bad jamming problems
I had problems with lead fouling. Got a new barrel from Walther and now shoot Stingers and it shoots fine. I got a G22 last week; pretty neat gun.
I have a couple of "items" I purchased, waiting for ATF to issue my stamps. Will share pics when they are in my hands.
Cba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4530 posts, RR: 3 Reply 6, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1610 times:
Quoting Queso (Thread starter): It's a gas-operated, magazine-fed, semi-automatic, 12 gauge shotgun built on an AK-47 receiver.
A semi-automatic 12 guage... I feel sorry for anyone who tries to break into your place!
Out of curiosity though, what type of activity do you use that type of a gun for? I've been duck hunting, and using a gun like that seems like it'd take all the fun out of the sport...
Queso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1597 times:
Quoting Cba (Reply 6): Out of curiosity though, what type of activity do you use that type of a gun for?
Oh, I don't know, after I put a few hundred rounds through it, it will probably replace the Mossberg Maverick 88 behind the bedroom door and loaded with 00 Buckshot. Otherwise, I will practice with it to maintain proficiency and I might go bird hunting with it. It's mainly just a novelty for me because it is a unique design and it should be very dependable.
Quoting Cba (Reply 6): I've been duck hunting, and using a gun like that seems like it'd take all the fun out of the sport...
There are a lot of tube-fed semi-auto shotguns that are very popular for hunting, such as the Remington 1100 which holds 9 rounds ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_1100 ). The main difference with this shotgun is that it is magazine-fed and can be reloaded quickly. When I saw it in the store, I figured I'd better pick it up while I can because you never know when they might be banned.
$449. Cheap. I probably could have shopped around and got it cheaper but I am an impulse buyer and I saw it and I wanted it.
Quoting Miamiair (Reply 8): Has anyone seen Andrew / ilikeyyc?
I talked to him on the phone a couple of months ago. He said he was not around the computer much anymore but I wanted to respect his reasons for why he wasn't so I didn't ask. He did say that he still planned to go to BHM. I might try to give him a call tomorrow to see how he's doing. If I talk to him I'll let you know what I find out.
KaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12027 posts, RR: 43 Reply 10, posted (6 years 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1510 times:
Quoting Queso (Thread starter): As he stated in this thread... RE: What Guns Do You Own? (by MDorBust Apr 7 2007 in Non Aviation) MDorBust wanted to get a Saiga 12. Well, I just happened to pick one up today....
You are such a showoff
Quoting MDorBust (Reply 2): But... I did manage to pick up a new condition used P22 from Cabelas last Saturday for $99
Not yet, I went out to one of the ranges to visit with the owner for a bit and he had to leave shortly after I got there. I'm going to another range this afternoon so I might try it then. There's also an IDPA match tomorrow morning I'm going to shoot in so I might wait till after the match to try it since I'll be there anyway.
Queso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1350 times:
I just talked to Ilikeyyc a few minutes ago. He's doing well, but he's been pretty busy lately. The reason he hasn't been around is because he's been without a computer. Have no fear, he'll be around again soon because he just ordered a new computer. He said he recently acquired a Rossi .357 Magnum with a 2" barrel.
Queso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (6 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1273 times:
I still haven't shot the Saiga-12 for the first time yet! Last Saturday I was out at the bigger range that I go to but unbelieveably, here in the middle of a desert, the shotgun range was completely flooded! It had been 3 days since we'd had any rain but there was still several inches of standing water so I didn't get the try it.
I hope I like it because I just bought 2 more magazines for it. This contraption came with a 5-round mag, and I just bought 2 10-round mags for it, $75 each!
So now I can have this loaded with 11x 3" magnum 00 buckshot shells, 15 pellets per shell = total of 165 .34 caliber, 54 grain projectiles per loading or with all 3 magazines that's 390 .34 caliber projectiles. Cool! That's going to shred a lot of paper targets and gallon milk jugs filled with water pretty quickly!
Queso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1182 times:
I FINALLY SHOT IT.
Late this afternoon, we went out to the range and I shot the Saiga-12 for the first time. Here was the first challenge:
Even after no rain for a week and a half, the shotgun range was under more than a foot of water in some places. So, I cheated and just went over to one of the pistol bays. Like somebody is gonna bitch at me for not using the shotgun range, right?
The gun functioned perfectly straight out of the box, no failures of any kind. Then again, being a close cousin of the AK-47 you certainly would expect it to be reliable. The only complaint I have is that the 5-round magazine is much too small. It makes me glad I shelled out the $150 to go ahead and order the 2 10-round magazines. I also found out yesterday that a 19-round drum is available for $319, so I'll probably be sending in my $150 deposit for that next week because they are only made to order so far.
Here's a quick and dirty video of me shooting it. No complaining about form, like I said this was just quick and dirty so I didn't get caught using the wrong range:
28 Queso: I shot buckshot in it, too. The buckshot loads actually are slightly easier to shoot because the projectile load is lighter (more air space or buffer
29 Queso: I received the 10-round magazines today, they look almost obscene when put on the shotgun! Thanks! I like it so far. Do you have any links or pictures
30 MDorBust: If you can't get something done with ten rounds of 00, then I humbly suggest that it can't be done at all.
31 Queso: Think I need a pistol-grip folding stock for it? http://www.saiga-12.com/proddetail.a...prod=TNG%2DSAIGA%2DFOLDING%2DSTOCK
32 MDorBust: Do they make one that isn't folding? I don't trust folding stocks with the recoil of a 12ga.
34 Queso: Me neither, that's why I am looking at this Dragunov-style stock now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...witem=&item=200110587142&rd=1&rd=1 Yeeah
36 Queso: I just found a pretty cool video. Try this with your Remington 1100 or fancy Beretta automatic!!!
37 KaiGywer: Wow, that's some serious testing. Reminded me of this
38 Queso: I went with the Dragunov-style stock, it should be on it's way tomorrow so I'll post pics of it once I get it installed.
39 Queso: My brother and I took the Saiga-12 with us to shoot at the range in Ozona, Texas and we had a GREAT time. It preformed flawlessly and we gave it quite
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I'll try to remember to take some video while shooting it tomorrow.
Nice. Make sure to let us know how the shooting goes 
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