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Australian Govt Bans Cricket Tour To Zimbabwe  
User currently offlineMetalinyoni From South Africa, joined Oct 2005, 259 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1248 times:

The Australian Government has banned the world champions from touring Zimbabwe stating that they dont want to give a boost to the dictator Mugabe.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/cricket/article1783543.ece

What do you guys think? Personally I agree. Cricket Zimbabwe is run by a bunch of thugs loyal to Mugabe who have destroyed the game locally and any match fees more or less go to the top brass and very little makes it to the players. I hate to see politics in sport but I think this is the right decision.

As for Zimbabwe being elected to chair the Commission of Sustainable Development in the UN just goes to show what farce the UN is. Every thing the Zimbabwean government has done over the last 27 years points to unsustainable development.


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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5850 posts, RR: 40
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1241 times:

disagree with the government on this one...the long suffering people of Zimbabwe could do with some kind of happiness!


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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1230 times:

I tend to go with the Zim opinions and most seem to be against touring, so I guess I support the ban. I do hope though that it has been sorted out this does not mean a bribe to Mugabe. After the AWB I will believe almost anything.

Interesting that the PM discussed it with Ponting first. Wonder if he really sought an opinion or was telling him how it would be.

But what the HELL is the rest of Africa doing? Especially Thabo Mbeki. SA is being swamped with refugees and all it does is send the poor buggers back to that misery. Last year I was up near the Zim border and police presence to find refugees was pretty obvious. So sad. Mandela must be close to ropable.


User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2097 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1226 times:

Quoting Metalinyoni (Thread starter):
What do you guys think? Personally I agree.

I agree too, it's a token gesture but it keeps the spotlight firmily on Grace's regime.

Quoting Baroque (Reply 2):

But what the HELL is the rest of Africa doing? Especially Thabo Mbeki.

Surely you don't expect the rest of Africa to do anything? If only.....

Quoting Baroque (Reply 2):
Mandela must be close to ropable.

Do you mean Mugabe?  Smile


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1217 times:

ICC has proposed that the matches be played on a neutral venue

User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1210 times:

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 3):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 2):
Mandela must be close to ropable.

Do you mean Mugabe? Smile

I really don't think anything affects Mugabe, he is totally confident of his control. Whereas Mandela the calm, does get agitated about injustice and stupidity, but I do understand your comment.

Mugabe's control is why I think I support the ban, everything that is positive there is used to support him. I guess listening to Henry Olonga being interviewed influences me too. When you see how the situation has wrecked his career and you realise he is one of the lucky ones, you start to feel for the millions who are so much worse off that the Olongas. Not to mention the bashings and hospitalization of the opposition.


User currently offline747438 From UK - England, joined Jan 2007, 837 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1210 times:

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 3):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 2):
Mandela must be close to ropable.

Do you mean Mugabe?

Could be Mandela  Wink



User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1154 times:
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And now Mr Mugabe is crying racism and human rights issues.....maybe he should take a good hard look in his backyard and see all his racism and human rights issues.

Australias decision is an excellent decision, sadly thou the compensation money will go directly to Mugabe and his wifes shopping trips


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1145 times:

Well, countries forfeited matches against Zim during the 2003 WC, so why not now?

User currently offlineItsonlyme From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1145 times:

I still canmt believe that apparantly so little is being done with regards to Mugabe, especially, as mentioned previously, by African nations. Its a disgrace. Perhaps the economic situation may bring some sort of revolt internally?

Anyway, right decision for me. Was watching Sky Sports yesterday, and due to the live match being rained out, guys like Hussain and Atherton were discussing all sorts, inluding this decision, and Athers mentioned how Hussain wished the government had taken this decison for him a few years back when England had to tour. The Aussie government stepped in, and good on them. Mugabe has appointed political cronies to run the cricket game down there, so it would certainly be a propoganda issue if they did tour. There was the whole issue of Mugabe wanting to publicly shake the hands of all the players when England previously toured, for example. Yes the ordinary people may suffer, but the ICC once again seems to be putting money before other things - Malcolm Speed has called the decision 'unfortunate'!


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1139 times:

Whilst it's easy to applaud the motives for the decision the Australian government have taken, it isn't quite as simple as saying the UK were just wrong in the way they handled it a few years ago. The British government took the view that it wasn't their business to be arbitrarily banning sports teams from visiting countries because they didn't like them. In a democracy, it's not the government's role to do such a thing. Now, you can agree or disagree with that - and I think there are arguments of merit on both sides, but it isn't as easy as saying Australia did this Britain didn't do that, hooray for Australia.


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User currently offlineItsonlyme From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1135 times:

Banco

Agree with what you say. It was certainly a difficult situation, and it must be very different for Britain when it comes to another commonwealth country (Zimbabwe still in? Or are they suspended?). Anyway it doesnt really help when it seems that players dont want to go, with some boycotting, and the ICC seems to want to sit on the sidelines.


User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1127 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 10):
hooray for Australia.

What did I just read? The world has turned upside down!!

I agree with this decision. A stand must be taken - and this is one of many available. It keeps the spotlight on the regime, it shows Australia still occasionally has some principles and a sense of humanity, and it highlights the fact that there are unfortunate consequences to deplorable acts.

In the spirit of the 1960s/1970s rugby boycotts - I applaud this.

QFF


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1124 times:

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 12):
I agree with this decision. A stand must be taken - and this is one of many available.

But my point was that whilst instinctively it's a decision that can easily be agreed with, Australia and the UK are democracies, and whilst it's for entirely the right reasons, it's a little against our own principles for a government to forbid a sports team to tour whilst at the same time allowing trade to continue, don't you think?

I've no criticism of the decision itself, except to say that I can also understand the British government taking the opposite view that it is not the business of government in a free nation to forbid a tour, not least because they have no legal power (here) to do so.



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User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1095 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 13):
and whilst it's for entirely the right reasons, it's a little against our own principles for a government to forbid a sports team to tour whilst at the same time allowing trade to continue, don't you think?

Yes, and this argument is proceeding quite nicely at the moment. We should have full economic sanctions by the end of the week! I hear from some bureaucrat friends in Canberra that there's a few bets going around as to how long it will take the Zimbabweans to recall their High Comissioner (or should that now be Ambassador?).

Yes, in a free liberal democracy this does seem out of place. But a line must be drawn when it comes to Zimbabwe, and if national cricket teams refuse to tour in the country, perhaps that may go a little way toward eroding the support base of one of the 21st century's worst dictators.

Quoting Banco (Reply 13):
not least because they have no legal power (here) to do so.

Yes, I was wondering how exactly our Federal Government has the legal power to refuse a sports team the ability to tour elsewhere. Don't quite understand that.

QFF


User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1087 times:

Quoting Metalinyoni (Thread starter):
As for Zimbabwe being elected to chair the Commission of Sustainable Development in the UN just goes to show what farce the UN is

The UN a farce? How about the 26 member nations of the CSD that voted them in? The strength of any organisation is in its Members - don't blame the UN.


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1087 times:

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 14):
should have full economic sanctions by the end of the week!

 biggrin 

It's a difficult one, isn't it? The logic is that they should follow, but the chances are that they would hit the Zimbabwean people, whilst Mugabe carries on eating his caviare and counting his US dollars.

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 14):
Yes, I was wondering how exactly our Federal Government has the legal power to refuse a sports team the ability to tour elsewhere. Don't quite understand that.

Is it possible that they've simply said that the team are banned from going?



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User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1081 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 16):
Is it possible that they've simply said that the team are banned from going?

Quite possibly, yes. Still, somehow I'll find a way to blame the GG and the monarchy. Just you wait!

QFF


User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1449 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1078 times:

There was talk of this when the australians and the english toured the place four years ago. To be frank not much has changed in the past 4 years to warrant a abandoning of the series, what it is doing at most is to destroy any money little money which is going to the players and their families.


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User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1048 times:

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 1):
disagree with the government on this one...the long suffering people of Zimbabwe could do with some kind of happiness!

You think that the oppressed people in Zim are going to be grateful that somewhere in their country, their cricket team is getting thrashed by the Aussies, while Mugabe sits back, comfortable that other countries are happy to send sporting delegations there? I'm not sure you have grasped the gravity of the situation!!

Politics and sport mixing is a reality, particularly for teams like Zim and AUS where the sports teams are some of the most well recognised ambassadors for their countries. Personally I think this should have been done by the ICC, but it's pretty clear what a disfunctional bunch they are!!


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1039 times:

Quoting Metalinyoni (Thread starter):
The Australian Government has banned the world champions from touring Zimbabwe stating that they dont want to give a boost to the dictator Mugabe.

I applaud Australia for the decision. In the end, the people who are even free to play a game of cricket wouldn't be doing this if that vicious bastard Mugabe wasn't backing this.


User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5850 posts, RR: 40
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1038 times:

Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 19):
You think that the oppressed people in Zim are going to be grateful that somewhere in their country, their cricket team is getting thrashed by the Aussies, while Mugabe sits back, comfortable that other countries are happy to send sporting delegations there? I'm not sure you have grasped the gravity of the situation!!

its got nothing to do with the result from the game and everything to do with a distraction from the brutality of the Mugabe regime. I'm well aware of the situation genius, I started a thread on how bad it was about 8 weeks ago.

Zimbabwe, Why No Foreign Intervention? (by QANTAS077 Mar 20 2007 in Non Aviation)

I just find it rather strange that Howard was never opposed to the Australian's touring South Africa under the apartheid regime but he now opposes our team touring Zimbabwe.



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User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1022 times:

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 21):
its got nothing to do with the result from the game and everything to do with a distraction from the brutality of the Mugabe regime. I'm well aware of the situation genius, I started a thread on how bad it was about 8 weeks ago.

Well I wasn't really stressing the result of the game either, (just stating the obvious). The real point is the endorsement of what's going on.

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 21):
I just find it rather strange that Howard was never opposed to the Australian's touring South Africa under the apartheid regime but he now opposes our team touring Zimbabwe.

What was your opinion of rugby teams touring during Aparthied?


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24914 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1019 times:

Should just ban cricket full stop  Wink


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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 996 times:

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 14):
Yes, I was wondering how exactly our Federal Government has the legal power to refuse a sports team the ability to tour elsewhere. Don't quite understand that.

Having watched Bastard Boys over two nights (for the non Aus, it is the story of Howard and the Min for Industrial Relations trying to break the waterfront unions in 1997-98) why does not Howard offer Zim to send over the SAS cricket team for a spot of training? And the UK could join in with a joint goodwill tour. You should be in that Banco. Kiwis welcome too.


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