Cba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3 Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3367 times:
I noticed when taking the Eurostar to Paris last December that you had to clear security as well as passport control before boarding the train. However, when I took a Thalys train from Paris to Brussels and then Amsterdam, no security or passport control was required.
My question is, why is security and passport control required for the Eurostar but not for Thalys. Both are international trains going between EU countries. Is it because there's a higher risk of attack due to the long tunnel ride in the Eurostar?
That said, the Eurostar was fantastic, and I can't think of a better way to get between Paris and London. Can't wait for the British high speed link to open this summer!
Cba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3338 times:
Ahh, I thought that Schengen became obsolete when the EU became more solidified, but Schengen was not what I thought it was, thanks for the link! This also explains why every time I've flown between England and France I've had to clear passport control etc, and when flying from France to Holland there was no immigration.
Bwest From Belgium, joined Jul 2006, 1385 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3328 times:
The Brits have always been "cool lovers" of Europe and the EU, and steps towards greater unity have been met with opposition in the UK.
Also the UK still is the promised land for many illegal immigrants and quite a large number of them try to reach the country from France. With strict border controls at the ports, in England and France, and heavy fines for the companies on whose trucks or boats illegals are discovered, the UK manages to reduce the flow. So as long as the European countries located near the meditteranean and in eastern Europe don't make a greater effort of securing their borders, there's not a chance that the UK will join Schengen.
Aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8893 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3324 times:
Quoting Cba (Reply 3): Any idea why the UK didn't join Schengen?
I'd point squarely at their euroscepticism. Concerning some issues, they seem to like the idea of being as isolated from continental Europe as they are geographically. Ireland probably went along as they're so close to the UK. But I'm sure some British members can shed much more light on this.
Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
Pelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3305 times:
Quoting Aloges (Reply 5): Ireland probably went along as they're so close to the UK.
Sort of, Ireland had already a free travel agreement with the UK when the Schengen treaty was signed. So they had to choose either to join Schengen and dissolve the free travel area with Britain or to stay away from Schengen and maintain the agreement with the UK.
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3260 times:
Quoting Aloges (Reply 5): I'd point squarely at their euroscepticism. Concerning some issues, they seem to like the idea of being as isolated from continental Europe as they are geographically. Ireland probably went along as they're so close to the UK. But I'm sure some British members can shed much more light on this.
The reluctance to join the Schengen agreement has very little to do with euroscepticism but everything to do with having some control over our borders with Europe. It's fine having a free travel zone with lax border controls, buth with that comes a whole new ball game, that ball game is illegal immigration, drug trafficking, trafficking of prostitutes etc. The UK is currently experiencing record levels of immigration, and illegal immigration, mainly from Eastern Europe and North Africa. Having to go through passport control is the least we can do so we know who's coming into the country and why. And with every Tom, Dick and Harry from Eastern Europe joining the EU, and who are free to waltz into the UK with minimum fuss, it's even more important we have passport control.