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Pope Sticks Sequined Foot In Mouth Again  
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...7051400721.html?hpid=sec-religion?

What is wrong with Herr Pope?

Excerpts:

BRASILIA - Outraged Indian leaders in Brazil said on Monday they were offended by Pope Benedict's "arrogant and disrespectful" comments that the Roman Catholic Church had purified them and a revival of their religions would be a backward step.

In a speech to Latin American and Caribbean bishops at the end of a visit to Brazil, the Pope said the Church had not imposed itself on the indigenous peoples of the Americas.

They had welcomed the arrival of European priests at the time of the conquest as they were "silently longing" for Christianity, he said.


What say you?

Has Herr Pope lost it? Would the prior Pope have said this kind of stuff? Should Herr Pope trade in his Prada sequined red stomping boots for something a bit more subtle?

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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21415 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2189 times:

It's just the usual from a religious leader. One more reason why those guys have only very limited credibility in most matters.

User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

What say I?

A huge arrrogance on the part of the Pope and the Catholic church. What makes the Catholic church any better than any other form of religous practice?

The Inquisition, itself, is long gone, but continues under different guises today.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

Those "primitive" religions don't provide their leaders with a big ol' palace to live in, Alitalia wide-bodied Jets to dally around in, and really good wine and food. Plus, all the satin and silk gowns in the world.

Obviously, those religions aren't as good as Catholicism.


User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2157 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 2):
What makes the Catholic church any better than any other form of religous practice?

Hear, Hear!

Signed,

The Knights Templar

Quoting Jaysit (Thread starter):
Would the prior Pope have said this kind of stuff?

I would think not. Pope John Paul II seemed to have a marked understanding of differences and their validity. I'm sure there are exceptions, but he seemed more bent on peace regardless of dogma and doctrine than on statistics.


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2157 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Thread starter):
Has Herr Pope lost it?

Yes. He has. People need to free their mind from a human who speaks "on behalf of god" and regularly preaches hate against people with other opinions and condemns non-christians.. We need plurality and not a uniform "culture" of the catholics. Thanks, no!


User currently offlineRammstein From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2139 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Thread starter):
Would the prior Pope have said this kind of stuff?

Not at all, the current pope Ratzinger is making a lot of steps backwards and reverting the good work done by his predecessor.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17361 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2139 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Thread starter):
comments that the Roman Catholic Church had purified them and a revival of their religions would be a backward step.

What's the difference between their religions and Catholicism? Less white chiffon? How is the Pope's religion any less primative and nut-so than any other religion?



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineAirfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Thread starter):
Would the prior Pope have said this kind of stuff?

No he would have said "Mumble mmmm mumble mmmmm ZZZZZZZZZZZ"  duck   duck   duck   duck   duck 


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3829 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2126 times:

Has Herr Pope lost it?

Look at the bright side, with his age, Herr Papa Razzi is pretty much an interim pope.



Ain't I a stinker?
User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

You forgot diplomatic stations world-wide to promote the Catholic sense of peace and tranquility.

Where is the Buddhist embassies or the Anglican embassies, the Muslim embassies (and so forth)?

http://www.embassyworld.com/embassy/Vatican/Vatican.html



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2072 times:

Have you seen the two bumper stickers on the Popemobile?

"My God can beat up your God"

"Jesus saves, but Mohammad owns the bank"


User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2062 times:

I noticed something that he said on one of his other speaches in Brazil that I found ironic. He warned Brazilians about the corruption of power and wealth, I find it strange that someone who benefits greatly from corrupt power and wealth would denounce other people from following in his footsteps.


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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

Yet another prime example of how FUCKED UP organized religion is. Keep it up Herr Popey; you to could dis-enfranchise millions of your own followers!! THAT would be a step FORWARD.

User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 12):
I find it strange that someone who benefits greatly from corrupt power and wealth would denounce other people from following in his footsteps.

"Do as I say, not as I do!" and

"Don't pay attention to the man behind the curtains!"



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1987 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Thread starter):
In a speech to Latin American and Caribbean bishops at the end of a visit to Brazil, the Pope said the Church had not imposed itself on the indigenous peoples of the Americas.

 redflag 

The unawareness of their own bloody history in the Roman Catholic Church is one of the reasons why I became an Atheist. Of course they imposed themselves on the indigenous people of the Americas. Denying that could be the same as denying the holocaust; it would be a crime. But what can you expect from Ratzinger. With his words, he's especially denying the crimes commited by the office he lead as prefect for almost 24 years, the Office of the Holy Inquisition, which still exists today as the less-violent Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. Wojtyla would have at least been more careful with his choice of words, especially given that he was searching for forgiveness for the crimes commited by the Church in the last years of his life.


User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3066 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1966 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Thread starter):
In a speech to Latin American and Caribbean bishops at the end of a visit to Brazil, the Pope said the Church had not imposed itself on the indigenous peoples of the Americas.

They had welcomed the arrival of European priests at the time of the conquest as they were "silently longing" for Christianity, he said.

Statements like that make me wonder if there isn't something besides incense smoldering in the Vatican's censers...

"Dude, they were like, totally longing for Christianity...but, you know, in a silent kind of way. Seriously."
 irked 



Able to kill active threads stone dead with a single post!
User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1943 times:

"

Pope Benedict XVI concluded his historic trip to Brazil Sunday, saying that the residents of South America “have given whole-hearted proof of their faith in Christ” and their love for the office of the Pope.

The Holy Father departed Sunday evening from the International Airport of Sao Paulo / Guarulhos where he was met by Jose Alencar Gomes da Silva, vice-president of the Federal Republic of Brazil, Archbishop Odilo Pedro Scherer of Sao Paulo, Bishop Luiz Gonzaga Bergonzini of Guarulhos, and numerous other religious and civil authorities.

Before boarding his Alitalia flight bound for Rome, Pope Benedict conveyed his pleasure at the opportunity to inaugurate the Fifth General Conference of the Episcopate of Latin America and the Caribbean. He said that "The signs of enthusiasm and the deep piety of this people of the Land of the Holy Cross will remain for ever impressed in my memory.”


He added his prayer "that the Lord will assist religious and civil leaders to give renewed impulse to the initiatives that are awaited by all for the common good of the great Latin American family."

In addition to his work with the Episcopal conference in Aparecida, the Holy Father also spent time with numerous religious authorities and orders of religious during his pastoral visit. He ended his brief airport address thanking everyone for having "contributed to the splendor of these days, filling those taking part with joy and hope - 'gaudium et spes!' - for the Christian family and for its mission in society."

After landing on Rome, the Pope proceeded directly to his Castelgandolfo summer residence where he will remain through the week.


Read the full homily for the inauguration of the Fifth General Conference of the Latin American and Caribbean Bishops at: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/be...xvi/homilies/2007/documents/hf_ben

"

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=9358


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1926 times:

Airliners.net thanks TACAA320 for that public interest message.

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User currently offlineFrequentflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 736 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1915 times:

Out of touch could soon translate to out of reach...

There is a Religious revival on Brazil, a good thing, and not a Catholic one...



Take off and live
User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1912 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 18):
Airliners.net thanks TACAA320 for that public interest message.

And some others to come.


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1907 times:

"
Cardinal Secretary of State Tarcisio Bertone S.D.B. has sent a message in the Pope's name to more than 250 Christian movements and communities which, on Saturday May 12, celebrated the event "Together for Europe 2007" in the German city of Stuttgart.

In the message, published in German, English, French and Italian, the cardinal points out how the current initiative "has come to life through the good ecumenical intuition of Roman Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, and Anglican groups," seeking "to underline the need to re-affirm together faithfulness to the Gospel in a Europe that risks losing its original values and giving up on its Christian roots.

"The words of the Venerable Pope John Paul II," Cardinal Bertone adds, "seem to be more relevant than ever: 'I would like to mention in a particular way the loss of Europe's Christian memory and heritage, accompanied by a kind of practical agnosticism and religious indifference whereby many Europeans give the impression of living without spiritual roots and somewhat like heirs who have squandered a patrimony entrusted to them by history.'

"Pope Benedict XVI echoes this consideration. From the beginning of his pontificate he has never missed an opportunity to recall the importance of safeguarding the Christian inheritance, the particular richness of the European continent.

"The appeal not to lose our roots is like a repeated invitation to work concretely so that believers in Christ of different confessions may unite their efforts in the service of such a timely and relevant cause. It is a matter of defending a human and spiritual heritage that is vital for the authentic development of Europe."

Benedict XVI's wish, the text goes on, is "that the meeting 'Together for Europe' may strengthen the desire for communion that animates lay movements and communities of the different Churches; that it may contribute to overcoming prejudices, nationalism and historical barriers, and may urge people to work so that the spiritual dimension may not weaken in the Europe of post-modern times.

"All human efforts would amount to nothing," the message concludes, "were we to be separated from divine support, because 'unless the Lord builds the house, they labor in vain who build'."

www.vatican.va


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1902 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 20):
Quoting Jaysit (Reply 18):
Airliners.net thanks TACAA320 for that public interest message.

And some others to come.

Love it!

Our very own employee of the Ministry of Pope-ish Propaganda.

Hon, propaganda is not PR! You need a crash course in PR.


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1892 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 18):
Airliners.net thanks TACAA320 for that public interest message.

Paid for in full by the Holy See.

Sponsored by Alitalia (we treat the Pope just a bit better than we treat you).



Quoting Jaysit (Reply 22):
Love it!

Our very own employee of the Ministry of Pope-ish Propaganda.

Hon, propaganda is not PR! You need a crash course in PR.

Another remarkable bitter expressions from Jaysit [and highly probable some others to come].


User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1880 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 17):
After landing on Rome, the Pope proceeded directly to his Castelgandolfo summer residence where he will remain through the week.



And the meek shall inherit the Earth...


25 Airfoilsguy : I wounder how many of the hungry could be fed with the proceeds from the sale of that place?
26 Jaysit : The hungry don't want food. And the sick don't want medicines. They just secretly desire to be converted to Catholicism. Imelda Marcos (another great
27 Post contains images BigTom :
28 LTBEWR : Pope Benedict knows that the Roman Catholic Church is being increasingly rejected by many throughout the world, with some turning to other Christian f
29 Cfalk : I suppose you won't mind if they revived the practice of human sacrifices in South America?
30 Post contains images Kalakaua : ...And I suppose that Muslim comment a while ago was devious and deliberate?
31 TACAA320 : I'm asking the same question regarding the selling of your most precious assets.
32 Gman94 : I doubt all of Airfoilsguy assets were obtained through centuries of raping, pillaging and destruction of civilisations all in the name of God.
33 TACAA320 : Something similar about the "raping, pillaging and destruction of civilisations all in the name of " the King of the British Empire throughout the hi
34 PA110 : Sadly typical reply from you. Most of us have not taken vows of poverty. Quite ironic for a religion that demands vows of poverty from it's priests t
35 TACAA320 : Amd who do you blame about the poverty in the U.S.?
36 PA110 : What on earth does that have to do with anything, let alone this specific topic? The U.S. government does not demand vows of poverty from anyone, unl
37 Gman94 : Not denying that we took part in Empire building, but it's wrong to have a holier then thou attitude about the Pope and the Catholic Church just beca
38 David L : Yes, some more copying and pasting from publications which aren't exactly unbiased. But what do you think of the topic actually being discussed? And
39 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : Aren't priests supposed to live a meager lifestyle? You'd think the the pope would set an example. Prada shoes, a Mercedes popemobile, and a summer h
40 TedTAce : Perfect!! Great picture too!!!
41 TACAA320 : It is! And you still don't answer my question. And apparently is also doing nothing to fight poverty. When was the last time you heard your Queen or
42 AeroWesty : TACA, really, you've just jumped the shark. There are literally hundreds of humanitarian programs funded by the U.S. government to fight poverty. Whi
43 MKEdude : Huge flaw in your arguement. The US government isn't required to do anything about poverty. It should though, and I believe that it is not doing near
44 Mrniji : Though I in principle agree with what you say, these policies are far from ideal, as they are anything but altruistic, and often not work in practice
45 LTBEWR : Church law doesn't require poverty of it's priests overall. However, many orders like the Franciscans do require their priests to have very modest li
46 TedTAce : He did that years ago. But it's funny to watch people defend the indefensible.
47 AeroWesty : The minimum wage is a mechanism to combat poverty, and is not "altruistic", even though at a federal level the attention paid to it is less than idea
48 Post contains links TACAA320 : What a coincidence. Like the CC does [as well as most Christians Churches]. Say that to the poors in your country, not to me. They are more intereste
49 AeroWesty : You may quote all the statistics you want. To say the U.S. is doing nothing to address poverty is a lie. Merely calling em like I see em. I see that
50 Allstarflyer : Pluralism is fine in that everybody gets a chance to speak his/her mind, but there does need to be moral standards (which can be found in Scripture)
51 TACAA320 : It is all you have to say? That's it?
52 AeroWesty : Yes.
53 Post contains images TACAA320 : That's a shame.
54 AeroWesty : Why's that? I made my point, and you've shown no contrition, so there isn't anything left to be said. Except by you, if you choose to show any remors
55 Jaysit : LOL. And we all know only too well that a lack of judgment is also a hallmark of the Pope's teachings.
56 TACAA320 : That's precisely what I called as a shame. Really? "We"? You and how many more?
57 AeroWesty : It's quite obvious your shame is misplaced. But that's for you to reconcile with your god. Count me in as one as well.
58 CastleIsland : I'm in.
59 Post contains images TACAA320 : 1 2 plus Jaysit 3. Quite few. My premonition about the number of people thinking that way was right.
60 Post contains images AeroWesty : So what you're telling us is that lying to further one's religion and faith in god is an acceptable practice. Interesting. So far 3 out of 16 views s
61 Molykote : Comments like this are ridiculous. Agree or disagree with anyone's comments or tactics as you see fit. However, equating a poorly conceived remark wi
62 CastleIsland : Since you piosted the question 39 minutes ago, it has been read a mere 33 times (possibly; that stat means the thread has been opened 33 times, not t
63 Post contains images Mrniji : Neither am I a big fan of this pope or any other pope, so make it 4. John Paul II came to India and called for the "conversion of the unfaithful"...
64 Post contains images WrenchBender : Count me in as well, BTW, TACA do you really want to go there. Why do I get the feeling you would feel right at home as one of these guys:- WrenchBen
65 Post contains links Molykote : Let me be clear. I don't approve of the comments made recently by the Pope (although the only attributed quote I can find consists of a 2 word extrac
66 Post contains images Mrniji : Fair enough, now I get you - sorry!
67 Post contains images David L : You're trying to equate tactfully saying nothing with saying they were begging for it? As I said, you won't hear the Queen or PM saying something so
68 TACAA320 : Yes. That is more than obvious. Read it but not necessary nor apparently endorsed by others. Once again >>>>>>>>>
69 LTU932 : That's what some say. Others say he died naturally and others believe he died over the then reigning crisis of the Vatican Bank.
70 Post contains images David L : What was the point of that post? Am I supposed to repeat my post, too? OK... You're trying to equate tactfully saying nothing with the current pope s
71 Confuscius : TACA do you really want to go there. Why do I get the feeling you would feel right at home as one of these guys:- "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisit
72 TACAA320 : Are you threatening me? Read my previous posts.
73 TACAA320 : I'm perfectly all right. Thks.[Edited 2007-05-16 20:46:37]
74 AeroWesty : Whoa. Perhaps it's time to close this thread. It's getting to the point of over-the-top reaction.
75 Confuscius : Whoa. Perhaps it's time to close this thread. It's getting to the point of over-the-top reaction. Pontifications?!?
76 Post contains images Mrniji : I think it is quite funny, keep on going guys
77 Post contains images Acheron : Of course they were "silently longing" for it, they just needed a bit a of "physical coercion" to stop being so silent about it.
78 PA110 : Face it folks, TACA would defend the Hitler and the Holocaust if the Catholic church told him to. He has repeatedly shown no desire whatsoever to thin
79 Post contains images David L : I was responding to your previous posts. I'm still waiting for your answer... Do you think saying nothing is as offensive and uninformed the pope say
80 Srbmod : Since this thread is getting a bit heated, it's now locked.
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