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Tough Call... Moving To Australia?  
User currently offlineA332 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2261 times:

I met up with a former work colleague today for lunch to discuss employment opportunities. I recently resigned my position in my company of 5 years due to corporate downsizing and have begun the search for a new role elsewhere. My buddy contacted me a few days ago as he learned of my departure and wished to present an offer.

Well... it sounds interesting. I would be going into a similar position in a smaller company with loads of growth potential. The catch is that it would require me to move to Brisbane, Australia in early June to get started. All moving expenses are paid and the new company will look after much of my immigration paperwork, work visa, etc. It sounds like a hell of an opportunity and I am excited at the prospect of such a life changing event.

However, I am well established in Calgary with a couple of houses on the go, some real good friends, and most importantly, my dog. I find myself feeling torn and conflicted about having to leave her behind with friends and family until I feel secure enough to begin the lengthy process of moving her down.

So... II am just looking for some feedback and some advice from those who have relocated to a far off land, especially those who have had to give up family, friends and pets for the opportunity to work and live abroad. What are the toughest challenges?


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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5861 posts, RR: 39
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2251 times:

we speak english, drive fords, own houses and have maccas...you're not going to Congo! I think you've answered your own question just by starting this thread...looking for reasons not to come?


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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2245 times:

Quoting A332 (Thread starter):
The catch is that it would require me to move to Brisbane, Australia

Whats wrong with that?! I'd kill to get a job in BNE...

Oh Yeah one more thing, and not all people here speak like Steve Irwin.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8457 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2232 times:

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 2):
Oh Yeah one more thing, and not all people here speak like Steve Irwin.

nor do we all have pet Kangaroos and baby theift by Dingos isn't a common problem.


But seriously, you should come out here.


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7414 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2225 times:
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Quoting A332 (Thread starter):
Tough Call... Moving To Australia?

I'm so jealous of you. That would be an easy call. You're going to have the time of your life.



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User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2222 times:

Don't do it, they drive on the wrong side of the road.

User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

Quoting A332 (Thread starter):
The catch is that it would require me to move to Brisbane

Brisbane?!?! Puh-leaze. I'd rather die.  Wink

Australia is an extraordinarily diverse place. If you want to feel like you haven't left North America (NY or LA to be exact) then go to Sydney. Every other city has a far more indigenous (I don't necessarily mean literally aboriginal) and British/European flair. That's fine, if you like that sort of thing. I don't. I find Brisbane to be small and quiet. It shuts on the weekend. No joke. Still, you're relatively close to the Gold Coast which is a pretty exciting place - a bit like Miami.

Your decision.

QFF


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8969 posts, RR: 39
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

Quoting A332 (Thread starter):

I've been studying in the USA for the past 2 and a half years, away from everything you are afraid of leaving behind. It's just temporary, but still extended periods of time away. Moving away is tough as I am sure you are imagining. Based on that I would never have left Sao Paulo. It's my home, and I still dearly miss it when I'm away.

But there is also a host of good opportunities - it's something new, different, a challenge. It can help you on your career as well. And if you don't like it there, or miss home too much, you can always move back.

I would go for it. Find out what's it like, see how it goes and decide from there.  Smile

Good luck!



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User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2194 times:

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 6):
Brisbane?!?! Puh-leaze. I'd rather die.

I agree. Brisbane is a shithole. However there are some great places in Queensland. If you can work from home I'd head out of Brisbane a bit.

You can bring your dog, and your friends will love the idea of coming to visit you and riding kangaroos around for their holidays. I believe that every human with the means to do so should definitely live somewhere other than their home country at least once. It's exciting, challenging, and broadens the mind.


User currently offlineOzGuy From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 392 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

Hey Mate,

You'll probably love living in Brisbane. It'll be sad saying goodbye to the mates your close to over there knowing that you'll not see them for long periods of time, but Brisbane is a very social place and you should make friends quick.

There are heaps of pros and a few cons of living there, as with anywhere, but I definately think the pros outweigh the cons.

Pros include the fact that it is very close the the Gold Coast which is an awesome place to spend the weekend. Lots of things to do there. And I don't know how fond of theme parks you are, but the Gold Coast is our theme park destination. It's very warm, and doesn't have a severe winter, so people do tend to live a more outdoor lifestyle. This is a generalisation of course, but fairly accurate. And as QFF said, Brisbane closes on the weekends, and as a result there always seems to be lots of BBQ's and parties going on which is always nice. Airfares are generally very cheap (AUD$150 return if you book early) and you've got services by two low costs and Qantas between Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne as well as more limited options to other cities which is good because it makes getting to see Sydney and Melbourne fairly hassle free. There're also international flights that leave Brisbane including very cheap flights across to New Zealand if you were interested in spending a long weekend there or something. Car insurance is very cheap compared to the rest of Australia, housing is relatively cheap compared to Canberra, Sydney and Melbourne. And the train systems is fairly reliable and has a good timetable - though I haven't lived there since 2001 so things may have changed a bit.

As for the Cons, my biggest issue with Brisbane was the fact that you have to do shopping and buy anything you want over the weekends during the week, because you can find most things shut down. I still live with my parents, but when we first moved to Brisbane we ended up eating out quite a bit on the weekends when mum forgot to do the shopping earlier. I don't know if I'm just used to living is Canberra which is very well planned, but Brisbane seems very poorly laid out and it takes a long time to drive through the city. And it's very hilly, with roads going up and down, so you'll want to invest in a car with automatic transmission if you do move. It also gets very humid in the Summer.

So yeah, hope this has given you at least one thing you didn't already know about Brisbane, feel free to ask us any more specific questions you might have and I'm sure someone will be able to find an answer for you.

Cheers,

OzGuy


User currently offlineSlyguy From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2170 times:

"Tough Call" moving to Australia - NO.

"Tough Call" moving to Brisbane - YES.

Watch out for those killer cane toads and the EXTREME heat............



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2160 times:

Given my current situation, if I get the chance and going back to Germany isn't an option anymore, I'd move to Australia in a heartbeat. On the other hand, I know what you'd go through, because I had to go through the separation from friends and being well established in Hamburg to starting over in Costa Rica, something I never managed to get right. Plus, what hurt me a lot as well was the simple fact that I got out of touch with the people back home.

My suggestion is to think this through, but not too long, as such opportunities will expire. However, in this day and age, keeping in touch with friends isn't as difficult as it was in 1997, so things might be easier for you. Whatever the choice, you have to be absolutely sure that this is what you want, and your decision has to be final. It's difficult, but doable.  thumbsup 


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25409 posts, RR: 86
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2153 times:
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Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 8):
You can bring your dog,

Whoa - have they dropped the quarantine requirement?

I brought my two dogs from the US to NZ a couple of years ago, and it was a lengthy business getting them ready over there - the first blood draw had to be six months before they travel.

They had to stay in quarantine for thirty days when they got to Auckland, and, all up, it cost me about $2000 per dog.

We were told that Australia has similar regulations, as listed here:

http://www.aussiemove.com/aus/pets.asp

mariner



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User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2150 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 12):
Whoa - have they dropped the quarantine requirement?

No, it's the same, but, as you did, you can still bring your dog, (although in AUS I think it's about 2 months clearence)


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2141 times:

Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 13):
(although in AUS I think it's about 2 months clearence)

which are processed off the mainland


User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 14):
which are processed off the mainland

Hah! Good one.  Wink

QFF


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8683 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2128 times:

Do it man. If you do not like it remember you can always go back to Canada.

Hunter



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User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3187 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 6):
Brisbane?!?! Puh-leaze. I'd rather die.



Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 8):
I agree. Brisbane is a shithole

Oih you 2; Brisbane is not that bad, at least in doesn't have the traffic problems that you get in Sydney or the terrible weather you get in Melbourne.

Tough call moving to Australia or Brisbane; no way.

When you decide to move then find a place with airconditioning you are going to need it in the summer.



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User currently offlineQANTASFOREVER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2062 times:

Quoting BNE (Reply 17):
Oih you 2; Brisbane is not that bad, at least in doesn't have the traffic problems that you get in Sydney or the terrible weather you get in Melbourne.

I'm not bothered - the reason the traffic is so bad is because Sydney is so bloody fantastic so many people live here! :P

Agree with you about Melbourne - can't stand the place! I call it "Dark City".

QFF


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12254 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2054 times:
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Quoting A332 (Thread starter):
So... II am just looking for some feedback and some advice from those who have relocated to a far off land, especially those who have had to give up family, friends and pets for the opportunity to work and live abroad. What are the toughest challenges?

I would do it. I moved from Norway to the US myself. It has been a great experience so far, and while I miss Norway at times, I feel like I have a lot more opportunities here. Like others said, you can always move back if you don't like it.



911, where is your emergency?
User currently offlineLoungeLover From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2035 times:

Stay put. Go skiing. Seadoo-ing. Whatever.

I'm in a fight with my Aussie girlfriend from Melbourne. She wants me to make that very same decision so I feel for you. You have your dogs, I have her.

Would love to stick her in quarantine.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12254 posts, RR: 35
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2033 times:
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Quoting LoungeLover (Reply 20):
Would love to stick her in quarantine.

 rotfl 

I'm sure she'd love to hear that Big grin

 rotfl 



911, where is your emergency?
User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2021 times:

Quoting LoungeLover (Reply 20):
Melbourne

 rotfl 
Well theres your problem shes from Melbourne


User currently offlineLoungeLover From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

 Wink

She's heard a lot already but I promise to give that one a try tonight.

In her list of arguments for coming to Australia she actually mentioned it would be great to be closer to her parents.

I just replied by saying that I have my very own perfectly dysfunctional parents right here in Europe, so no need there.

She then started to mumble something about quality of life whilst I was demonstrating that on this continent, you are actually allowed to shower once a day and flush the toilet (god forbid) without the entire London metropolitan area going into a 3-week water/drought crisis.

Needless to say it went down well  hissyfit 


User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2634 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

If you like snow in June, stay put. If not, go. There is a lot of us who live far away from the rest of family. With all the technology it's not so hard anymore. Free videoconferencing is available, so you can chat with friends for hours and if you'd feel too alone - Canada is only a 77L flight away.

Good Luck!


25 LoungeLover : Don't get me started. I've lived in Paris for over 20 years and when she was starting to try and tempt me to go to Melbourne the first thing she said
26 Gman94 : I'd move to Australia in a heartbeat particularly to Melbourne if the oppurtunity arose, loved the city including it's unpredictable weather when I wa
27 Post contains images QANTASforever : Heh, so so true. Yeah, they always seem to bring that up. Aside from the arts scene there, Melbourne really has nothing to offer. The weather is crap
28 ZBBYLW : I would move if I were you. I was almost about to pull the trigger and move down to BNE for school from YVR. It would have been a lot of fun but GA fl
29 Post contains images VHVXB : Does it have anything else? Well you have a better chance of getting Kangaroo meat outside Australia well we eat our Coat of Arms but no Koala That g
30 QANTASforever : Ugh - you poor thing. Why on earth couldn't they have held it in Canberra? I thought that was the whole point of having a national capital! QFF
31 QFA380 : Melbourne's not that bad, much better than Adelaide. Melbourne and Sydney to me are equal love them both. for completely different reasons. Brisbane..
32 QANTASforever : I know. I'm not actually allowed to go into detail (Orwellian, I know), I've been contacted and arrangements have been made for September. I am not h
33 Post contains images Springbok747 : Yup...somehow I don't like Melbourne (sorry Mexpax!) but its awesome when the F1 comes to town I beg to differ. Adelaide is a much better city to liv
34 QANTASforever : No no - they've said they're *not* closing the harbour bridge. But we'll see if that's true in time. It's for the APEC summit. It was chaos when Dick
35 Springbok747 : Ah ok..thanks for that QFF.
36 Bill142 : Melbourne isn't that bad. Last time I was there was for the GP and it was great. Walking around the city on Saturday and Sunday afternoon was so rela
37 KiwiinOz : Well I've lived in all three, (ADL for 2 years, MEL for 6 years, plus SYD for a year). I would rate them as SYD first, closely followed by Melbourne,
38 QFA380 : APEC is really going to suck. QFF do you know where the planes are being kept? I'd assume GWB will be in Sydney for a maximum of 2 days and the 2 VC-2
39 QANTASforever : Air Force One and the backup will be at the Qantas Jet base - just like last time when AF1 was in Sydney. Kingsford Smith. Richmond is strictly for A
40 Post contains images VHVXB : Ughh god knows why. He thinks it will help NSW economy buy shutting down the city. Total idiot IMO they are both great cities Its ridiculous. yeah ri
41 Mirrodie : Well life is all about risk. Are you up to leaving all that behind and the possibility that those well established bonds you have may never come visi
42 Emirates029 : It doesnt have to be a permanent move does it? You could do a two or three year contract, then renew if you decide you like it. Go for it!
43 QANTASforever : Heh - how so? QFF
44 A332 : I appreciate the various points of view and the feedback! I will be making my final decision on the move over the coming days. I'm both excited and ne
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