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Rwandan Genocide- Sabena Gets Protection?  
User currently offlineEISHN From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 1509 posts, RR: 7
Posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

Hello all,

I was watching Hotel Rwanda recently (and amazing film, and a real eye opener), which of course, is based around the Rwandan Genocide in 1994. In the film the main character appears to call the President of Sabena, asking him for help in delaying the oncoming violence. The two seemed friendly, and that they knew each other. The President of Sabena then called the French President (France were supplying weapons to the militias) who then ordered them to stop their advancing attack, but only briefly did this last.
I was wondering, did Sabena really have any pull in that matter? Were they able to spare the lives of dozens by doing this?
I was a little confused about Sabena involvement when I saw the film and was wondering if anyone could enlighten me as to what they did during the crisis?

Thank You,

And my sincere apologies if this topic or thread upsets anyone.

[Edited 2007-05-24 00:42:16]


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User currently offlineWrenchBender From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1779 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3428 times:

I suggest reading "Shake Hands With The Devil" Lt Gen Romeo Dallaire's autobiography on the matter, he was the UN commader at the time of the genocide. The one (kind of) portrayed by Nick Nolte.
I did not like the movie "Hotel Rwanda", it doesn't even come close to telling the real story. Way to much use of poetic license used to dumb down/make it more palatable for a movie going audience.
The Book-
http://www.amazon.com/Shake-Hands-Devil-Failure-Humanity/dp/0786714875
Documentary-
http://www.whitepinepictures.com/dallairesite/
Upcomig Movie-
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472562/

WrenchBender



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User currently offlineTheSorcerer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 1048 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3428 times:

no idea about your question but if anyone is looking for another eye-opening movie, i suggest "Blood Dimaond".
sorry for off topic
 Smile Dom



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21637 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3424 times:

The movie was quite impressive (fantastic performance by Don Cheadle), but I wouldn't rely on it for an accurate historical presentation.

According to Wikipedia (which, admittedly, isn't a completely reliable source either), Rusesabagina's contact with Sabena was limited to a letter appointing him as acting manager of the hotel.

-Mir



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3413 times:

Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 2):

To an extent, it's hard to really know how much is Hollywood. But then that's really with any movie anyways.

Add The Last King of Scotland to the "eye opener" movies list.

[Edited 2007-05-24 01:32:52]


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User currently offlineGSM763 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3381 times:

Quoting WrenchBender (Reply 1):
I suggest reading "Shake Hands With The Devil" Lt Gen Romeo Dallaire's autobiography on the matter, he was the UN commader at the time of the genocide.

Just finished this book 4 days ago.

It was fantastic. Its unbelieveable how optimistic they remained, that the international community would come together and maybe care about Rwanda. They did not end up coming together for Rwanda, as is evidenced by the murder of over 800000 Rwandans.

The real blame lies in the hands of the genocidaires, but naturally the hands of those that looked on and did nothing are not bloodless either. For instance, after the genocide started, LGen Dallaire gets a call from an NCO (i think it was an NCO) at the Pentagon, who states 80,000 Rwandans must die to justify 1 US soldier. The Belgians pull out after only 10 of their soldiers were killed, leaving UNAMIR, previously seriously undermanned, weaker than ever. They cannot fulfill the daily calls for help, they cant take or protect the airport fully, they can do hardly anything. The problem was, the UN would not mandate UNAMIR 2, which was to become a chapter 7 intervention force, until fully 1 month after the genocide started, and UNAMIR 2 was never fully outfitted as promised in the mandate. UNAMIR was a chapter 6 peacekeeping force - they were to negotiate and not really use force at all. UNAMIR was to intervene and use force if necessary to stop the genocide.

In the end of it all, the rich western nations that could have done something did nothing or acted too late. Nations like Banglades, that did put in troops, ordered their troops to ignore the UN command and take orders from Bangladeshi command, and did not properly outfit or train them. Some contingents, like the Ghanaians and the Tunisians, performed excellent, however these were small contingents.

The last 3 lines from that book are my MSN signature. Here is the last paragraph. It has inspired me, to say the least. There is no doubt in my mind that this book has opened my eyes and changed my world view.

"As soldiers we have been used to moving mountains to protect our own sovereignty or risks to our way of life. In the future we must be prepared to mive beyone national self-interest to spend our resources and spill our blood for humanity. We have lived through centuries of enlightenment, reason, revolution, industrialization, and glabalization. No matter how idealistic this aim sounds, this new century must become the century of humanity, when we as human beings rise above race, creed, colour, religion and natioanl self-interest and put the good of huimanity above the good of our own tribe. For the sake of the children and of our future. Peux ce que veux. Allons'y."

"Peux ce que veux. Allons'y." means "Where there is a will there is a way. Let's go."

Id be more than happy to answer any more questions, or give you any more detail.


User currently offlineKiwiinOz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 3360 times:

Quoting EISHN (Thread starter):
I was a little confused about Sabena involvement when I saw the film and was wondering if anyone could enlighten me as to what they did during the crisis?

In terms of their official involvement, (I think it's the question you're asking), I believe Sabena owned the hotel

Cheers


User currently offlineGSM763 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 3357 times:

Quoting KiwiinOz (Reply 6):
In terms of their official involvement, (I think it's the question you're asking), I believe Sabena owned the hotel

The Hotel Des Milles Collines was a Sabena operation, yes.


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